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Post by jimmythebulldog on Aug 29, 2014 14:58:31 GMT 1
The fact he scored and played so well in the final meaningless game of the season when he knew he needed a contract tells you all you need to know about Ward.
The talent is there but he's lazy.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 29, 2014 15:02:20 GMT 1
Is Dean Hoyle "Big H" in ze 'Great Escape'?? is he going to get "everybody out"? cue the music "tum tum, tum tum der tum tum".. getting your money back in this case is a very, very good deal because we overpaid to some tune... We didn't overpay, we met the asking price for a player of his age given a successful loan spell here in addition to Swindon led to us paying for his potential which mainly has not been realised. I really detest the 'end of season nothing game' rubbish that is spouted further up this thread. It is the game that on one score is nullified for Ward because of it's time on the fixture list and yet is the game that shows that Lolley can be successful in this league. It's all about agendas! If we're talking the fixture calender then what about Yeovil at home scoring 2 and making 2 in that game, no doubt it will be rubbished because we were playing a pub team. Sadly for Ward, our bad spell last year coincided with a poor decision by the club/manager to not invest in another striker (loan or permanent) when Stead/Paterson were loaned out and Vaughan was injured forcing him into an unfamiliar role and he quickly became the target for the boo boys , some of the threads about him last year were pitiful in my mind. I quite like him as a wide player and his ability to come inside and score from distance, but largely he has failed to fulfill the big space vacated by Pilkington. If it was upto me I would cash in and give the new manager a bigger warchest to buy his players. Filling with loans until January if necessary.
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Post by mykindatown on Aug 29, 2014 15:06:34 GMT 1
IMO inconsistency going forward wont be tolerated I don't think whether ML or ANO is at the helm - so if there is any truth to this maybe / kinda / rumour then I think he will be allowed to leave with perhaps the belief that Lolley and Jake could be the men to provide the width on the pitch going forward
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 15:07:23 GMT 1
This is turning out be a very prosperous window for us
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 29, 2014 15:13:46 GMT 1
we paid too much and we have paid too much in wages ever since. put into perspective a few years down the line we paid a wee bit more for Wells, be honest we did have a period where we paid too much for everyone..
im not a Ward disliker(hater is a daft word)..
there is a player in there but like a lot of footballers it just isn't there for us.. he may do fine, more often elsewhere.
I don't think its a warchest, more like a bigger than usual petty cash tin which leads me to believe that loans will be(and probably was always) the plan after having to replace clayton/norwood.
having looked at coady/butterfield I have a good deal more confidence in 'whoever' is running the ins and outs now..
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Post by E4b on Aug 29, 2014 15:16:24 GMT 1
Surely the numpties who don't rate Wardy will wonder why we are getting offers of this amount. Jackett is no fool. Wardy is a quality player and the years ahead will show that £1m is peanuts for one of our star players. Was looking forward to another one of his hat-tricks on Saturday an all!!
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Aug 29, 2014 15:24:18 GMT 1
Surely the numpties who don't rate Wardy will wonder why we are getting offers of this amount. Jackett is no fool. Wardy is a quality player and the years ahead will show that £1m is peanuts for one of our star players. Was looking forward to another one of his hat-tricks on Saturday an all!! I said the same thing last summer when Jackett and McCarthy came in for him
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 29, 2014 15:32:50 GMT 1
Surely the numpties who don't rate Wardy will wonder why we are getting offers of this amount. Jackett is no fool. Wardy is a quality player and the years ahead will show that £1m is peanuts for one of our star players. Was looking forward to another one of his hat-tricks on Saturday an all!! Not sure we have any star players, but if we do I wouldn;t qualify Ward as one. Just an opinion, mind, but perhaps we should cash in our (Peri-pei and) chips on this guy and move on. wish him well, whether he stays and goes, but the fact he is frustrating is purely driven by his obvious potential, and more obvious failure to deliver on it.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 29, 2014 15:36:23 GMT 1
we maybe getting offers of this amount because nowrood went for over a million, Forshaw apparently went for over 3 million and mcormack went for 11 million.. their is a pattern forming of people paying far too much and with coady for peanuts and butterfield for 700k or so, we are seemingly trying to bust that pattern. If we can again replace someone who does not perform consistently with a player that does and for much less then I think we may even be on the road to Nirvana that the club was hoping to be on. Buy em for little sell em for a shitload..
Im not in the happy clapper department of the HTFC supporters 'club' but the introduction of coady and butterfield is a very good 'start' to our 'plan'...
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 29, 2014 15:40:01 GMT 1
we maybe getting offers of this amount because nowrood went for over a million, Forshaw apparently went for over 3 million and mcormack went for 11 million.. their is a pattern forming of people paying far too much and with coady for peanuts and butterfield for 700k or so, we are seemingly trying to bust that pattern. If we can again replace someone who does not perform consistently with a player that does and for much less then I think we may even be on the road to Nirvana that the club was hoping to be on. Buy em for little sell em for a shitload.. Im not in the happy clapper department of the HTFC supporters 'club' but the introduction of coady and butterfield is a very good 'start' to our 'plan'... source
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Post by 007Berlin on Aug 29, 2014 15:42:13 GMT 1
Wow! That really would be epic business.
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Post by mykindatown on Aug 29, 2014 15:43:44 GMT 1
I would never say this lad cant play because we have all seen him do it - thing is he has seemingly in a lot of peoples minds, just not done it enough (maybe some blame there on MR and his team re: motivation and where it is best to play him) - me personally, if it was my call, I would be inclined to take the WWFC dosh for him if they did in fact lay it down on the table
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Post by 52bob on Aug 29, 2014 15:49:11 GMT 1
Surely the numpties who don't rate Wardy will wonder why we are getting offers of this amount. Jackett is no fool. Wardy is a quality player and the years ahead will show that £1m is peanuts for one of our star players. Was looking forward to another one of his hat-tricks on Saturday an all!! I said the same thing last summer when Jackett and McCarthy came in for him I'm neutral about Ward - I can see a good player who has his admirers and a frustrating player with his detractors. I wouldn't want to call either camp 'numpties'. I was also neutral about Arfield and sometimes you just have to accept that some players need to move on to a different set up to achieve the potential you see in them.
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Post by terrierng on Aug 29, 2014 15:50:24 GMT 1
Whilst it is a good sum of money, we really do need to bolster the attacking ranks before shipping Ward out We have Wells, Vaughan, Bunn & Stead ahead of him in the striking options atm. And patterson;)
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 29, 2014 15:52:08 GMT 1
captain..
im like stumpylopez, I never reveal my sauce, and I never hang about in football club car parks hoping to see 'someone' because that can end up in shame and arrests.
galpharm2400 official bullshitter for the no news network and Chief Fashion Advisor for 'Benefits street'..
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Post by E4b on Aug 29, 2014 15:56:59 GMT 1
Surely the numpties who don't rate Wardy will wonder why we are getting offers of this amount. Jackett is no fool. Wardy is a quality player and the years ahead will show that £1m is peanuts for one of our star players. Was looking forward to another one of his hat-tricks on Saturday an all!! Not sure we have any star players, but if we do I wouldn;t qualify Ward as one. Just an opinion, mind, but perhaps we should cash in our (Peri-pei and) chips on this guy and move on. wish him well, whether he stays and goes, but the fact he is frustrating is purely driven by his obvious potential, and more obvious failure to deliver on it. What do you eat? I reckon most sports people eat chicken nowadays. i am puzzled, is there something wrong with that? The difference between them and most of us is that they manage to burn off the grub quicker than we do. Wardy might look a bit chunky at times but there's not many that can keep up with him. Hope someone else manages to get a hat-trick at Watford tomorrow.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Aug 29, 2014 15:59:04 GMT 1
If the money can help fund signing an out and out striker/hold up partner for Wells then I think it make sense, especially if there's a chance of loaning Stead out along the line too.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 29, 2014 15:59:56 GMT 1
Not sure we have any star players, but if we do I wouldn;t qualify Ward as one. Just an opinion, mind, but perhaps we should cash in our (Peri-pei and) chips on this guy and move on. wish him well, whether he stays and goes, but the fact he is frustrating is purely driven by his obvious potential, and more obvious failure to deliver on it. What do you eat? I reckon most sports people eat chicken nowadays. i am puzzled, is there something wrong with that? The difference between them and most of us is that they manage to burn off the grub quicker than we do. Wardy might look a bit chunky at times but there's not many that can keep up with him. Hope someone else manages to get a hat-trick at Watford tomorrow. Whatever i like in massive quantities, hence my wasitline.... not sure what your point is. My nando's comment was purely a vague attempt at humour, seeing as most of our players eemed at one point to be of a mindset that Nandos was one of the key food groups, or equate it to some holy grail of food. Personally, Marstons chicken beats Nandos every time....
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Post by Giggity on Aug 29, 2014 15:59:57 GMT 1
No Deal. Who are we going to turn to when Vaughan gets his biannual long term injury? Wells and Bunn certainly don't offer a plan B.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 29, 2014 16:09:01 GMT 1
No Deal. Who are we going to turn to when Vaughan gets his biannual long term injury? Wells and Bunn certainly don't offer a plan B. Wells is our Plan A! And Bunn has been a great Plan B so far.
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Post by benhomly on Aug 29, 2014 16:09:43 GMT 1
Surely the numpties who don't rate Wardy will wonder why we are getting offers of this amount. Jackett is no fool. Wardy is a quality player and the years ahead will show that £1m is peanuts for one of our star players. Was looking forward to another one of his hat-tricks on Saturday an all!! Lets see what he does at Wolves first if he goes. If he's one of our star players how come he hasn't played more games? I think 3 1/2 years is plenty of time to give someone to show his potential and there's still no sign of it on a consistent basis. As for his hat trick at Watford he should have donated the match ball to their keeper for his 2 assists. If we get 1m for him it will be one of the greatest 'steals' in football since Bolton sold him to us. IMO of course.
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Post by dugnet on Aug 29, 2014 16:14:23 GMT 1
Ward - end product for his potential is not consistent enough, on ability potentially worth persevering with but is end product suggests it's probably worth his moving on. He could be a world beater for someone else but he's not done it enough for us over time.
You can put Scannell in the same bracket, although he seems to do more when Lillis is in charge.
Hammill could deliver more but overall he's always trying to do something positive.
Lolley looks to have ability to burn, he just needs to get a run of games.
Do we need 4 wide men?? Probably not when we only have two out and out strikers at the club - but that's been said before.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Aug 29, 2014 16:15:09 GMT 1
Dougie Thompson at the UnExamined is reporting wolves want Ward on a free transfer? Not quite sure on the logic of that, we could have let him walk for free last summer but instead took out the one year club option.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 16:20:33 GMT 1
Dougie Thompson at the UnExamined is reporting wolves want Ward on a free transfer? Not quite sure on the logic of that, we could have let him walk for free last summer but instead took out the one year club option. Wolves can want whatever they want. Doesn't mean they will get it.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 29, 2014 16:35:22 GMT 1
Two snapshots (mental) from Tuesday evening - the first the last minute shot which we have seen him tuck away so many time. The other was mid first half neat Golf stand where he just gave the ball away in what looked like a simple pass to make.
Take your choice on which Wardy will be picked, or remembered, here!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 16:38:11 GMT 1
Two snapshots (mental) from Tuesday evening - the first the last minute shot which we have seen him tuck away so many time. The other was mid first half neat Golf stand where he just gave the ball away in what looked like a simple pass to make. Take your choice on which Wardy will be picked, or remembered, here! He was very poor Tuesday night I thought. Just didn't look interested
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 29, 2014 16:39:49 GMT 1
Ward - end product for his potential is not consistent enough, on ability potentially worth persevering with but is end product suggests it's probably worth his moving on. He could be a world beater for someone else but he's not done it enough for us over time. You can put Scannell in the same bracket, although he seems to do more when Lillis is in charge. Hammill could deliver more but overall he's always trying to do something positive. Lolley looks to have ability to burn, he just needs to get a run of games. Do we need 4 wide men?? Probably not when we only have two out and out strikers at the club - but that's been said before. Based on this season that is a slur on both Bunn and Stead.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Aug 29, 2014 16:39:50 GMT 1
if they want Ward we should take Björn Sigurdarson off them as part of the deal or maybe Leon Clarke as a target man?
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Post by Essex Terrier on Aug 29, 2014 16:41:01 GMT 1
Two snapshots (mental) from Tuesday evening - the first the last minute shot which we have seen him tuck away so many time. The other was mid first half neat Golf stand where he just gave the ball away in what looked like a simple pass to make. Take your choice on which Wardy will be picked, or remembered, here! He was very poor Tuesday night I thought. Just didn't look interested My point exactly - but if he had scored at the end, he may have got better/kinder reviews.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 29, 2014 16:49:35 GMT 1
If we got a decent fee IMO he should go, very average player, flatters to deceive.
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