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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Aug 30, 2014 16:59:34 GMT 1
Excellent coach, excellent youth manager, excellent caretaker manager and full of contagious passion, able to get that extra effort out of every player.
But...
I'm afraid there's just something that is missing for me as a championship manager, and I don't know what it is, I can't put my finger on it.
Happy for him to take the reins anytime and love him at the club but I hope we appoint externally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 17:03:58 GMT 1
2 decent CBs?
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Aug 30, 2014 17:05:32 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 17:05:32 GMT 1
He's not a manager. In 60 games as manager of Halifax, 1 game as caretaker of Stockport, 7 games as caretaker of Derby and 7 games as caretaker of Town, he's picked up 74 points. That's 74 points in 75 games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 17:14:38 GMT 1
OI answer your challenge you blue&white instead of posting on here
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Post by ritchie on Aug 30, 2014 17:19:07 GMT 1
Made quite a long post about this the other day. I agree, dont see him as a long term manager. He gets short term results as a caretaker by going back to basics and instilling a spirit. There's only so long that will last/work.
Will be a mistake to appoint him (though i dont think we will)
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Aug 30, 2014 18:00:05 GMT 1
Post by raggytash on Aug 30, 2014 18:00:05 GMT 1
Lillis for manager, no thanks, he's got robins syndrome . Signs a left back, plays him at right back, takes Vaughan of for wells, time to sort out the new manager and quickly, time to act now !!!
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Aug 30, 2014 18:05:41 GMT 1
He's not a manager. In 60 games as manager of Halifax, 1 game as caretaker of Stockport, 7 games as caretaker of Derby and 7 games as caretaker of Town, he's picked up 74 points. That's 74 points in 75 games. Isn't football funny how every three days he goes from being the BEST man for the job...then a few days later, just not cut out for it! Mmm. Anyway, back to your point re points. Funny how you can make stats say anything you want. If I can just pad some of this out for you...maybe a bit of perspective? Hope you don't mind... Firstly, in most circumstances, you become a Caretaker manager when the team is shit. Usually someone has been sacked and you've had an awful run of form. Only miracle workers can suddenly turn this around - but on all occasions with Town, he has IMPROVED the moral and got the team more organised, even though he was not given the long term to continue the work. I would say he probably did that in his other caretaker roles too? But can't comment there. Secondly, the period he managed at Halifax Town was when they had no money and were spiralling out of the league and, eventually, out of business. Hardly a marker to judge him. So, he may or may not get the job. But no need to bring these stats into the equation, just not relevant.
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Aug 30, 2014 18:11:52 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 18:11:52 GMT 1
I've been saying this for about 2 weeks, If you read my posts. It is by no means a dig at Mark Lillis who is a legend at this club. I'm just pointing out a few facts. I take on board what you say about him taking charge in a caretaker basis at difficult times, but caretakers often do well over a short spell at clubs. Also the bulk of his managerial career was at Halifax as a full timer. He had just taken over a club who had just missed out on the playoffs, then recorded 62 points in 60 games.
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Aug 30, 2014 18:18:00 GMT 1
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Aug 30, 2014 18:18:00 GMT 1
I've been saying this for about 2 weeks, If you read my posts. It is by no means a dig at Mark Lillis who is a legend at this club. I'm just pointing out a few facts. I take on board what you say about him taking charge in a caretaker basis at difficult times, but caretakers often do well over a short spell at clubs. Also the bulk of his managerial career was at Halifax as a full timer. He had just taken over a club who had just missed out on the playoffs, then recorded 62 points in 60 games. Yes. I suppose I didn't aim that opening paragraph at you in particular. If those are your views that about not wanting Lillis being the manager, then I respect that. I can see both sides, the 'after The Lord Mayor's show' effect and all that - so I am undecided at this point. But still stand by my points to game ratio comments. The damage was already done at the Shay and events meant that they were on their way down and out. Even taking Halifax and the caretaker fact out of the equation, you still need to consider the job and the situation you face - finances etc.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 30, 2014 18:24:35 GMT 1
Lillis for manager, no thanks, he's got robins syndrome . Signs a left back, plays him at right back, takes Vaughan of for wells, time to sort out the new manager and quickly, time to act now !!! harsh.. what else could he have done? we dont have any RBs available!! like i said when we signed him, we probably pushed the deal through so he could cover RB this weekend then when our RBs are fit he can play LB. Not ideal playing him out of position but would have been pointless signing a new RB when smith and peltier will be back soon. and about vaughan-it's all well and good oregan saying why take him off the lad has 2 weeks to recover..its not about tiredness..he's been out with injuries for months, his body wont be as strong as it should be and he'll be a lot more susceptible to tweaking something if he over does it. Last thing we'd have wanted is him to tweek a thigh or hammy as he'd be out for a lot longer than 2 weeks!! stupid comment from kieran imo if he was fully fit he'd have been kept on
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Aug 30, 2014 18:35:31 GMT 1
Post by Beech's Nuts on Aug 30, 2014 18:35:31 GMT 1
Lillis for manager, no thanks, he's got robins syndrome . Signs a left back, plays him at right back, takes Vaughan of for wells, time to sort out the new manager and quickly, time to act now !!! Is it not obvious that neither Wells nor Vaughan were fit enough for 90mins individually just 90mins combined.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 18:51:25 GMT 1
I've been saying this for about 2 weeks, If you read my posts. It is by no means a dig at Mark Lillis who is a legend at this club. I'm just pointing out a few facts. I take on board what you say about him taking charge in a caretaker basis at difficult times, but caretakers often do well over a short spell at clubs. Also the bulk of his managerial career was at Halifax as a full timer. He had just taken over a club who had just missed out on the playoffs, then recorded 62 points in 60 games. Yes. I suppose I didn't aim that opening paragraph at you in particular. If those are your views that about not wanting Lillis being the manager, then I respect that. I can see both sides, the 'after The Lord Mayor's show' effect and all that - so I am undecided at this point. But still stand by my points to game ratio comments. The damage was already done at the Shay and events meant that they were on their way down and out. Even taking Halifax and the caretaker fact out of the equation, you still need to consider the job and the situation you face - finances etc. I understand your points, but in my opinion, he should be working his magic with the academy and we should be appointing a first team manager who can work with Mark Lillis in bringing the youngsters into the first team.
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Aug 30, 2014 18:52:10 GMT 1
Post by kautostar1 on Aug 30, 2014 18:52:10 GMT 1
He isn't what we need.
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Aug 30, 2014 20:05:07 GMT 1
Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 30, 2014 20:05:07 GMT 1
Excellent coach, excellent youth manager, excellent caretaker manager and full of contagious passion, able to get that extra effort out of every player. But... I'm afraid there's just something that is missing for me as a championship manager, and I don't know what it is, I can't put my finger on it. Happy for him to take the reins anytime and love him at the club but I hope we appoint externally. Missing ?? Shall we start with 2 Championship quality centre backs for a start and thats not Marks fault
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Aug 30, 2014 20:12:10 GMT 1
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 30, 2014 20:12:10 GMT 1
Great bloke but not a championship manager , no way imo....
Tactically niaive
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Aug 31, 2014 8:04:55 GMT 1
Post by shawsie on Aug 31, 2014 8:04:55 GMT 1
Great bloke but not a championship manager , no way imo.... Tactically niaive Nick whilst i agree lillis is better off bringing thru increasing numbers of youngsters rather than being the manager, its not tactical naivety he lacks.....its centre backs that do what they should do........like defend crosses and set pieces and track runners!!!! Why did burnley and leicester go up? Cos duff, shackell, morgan and moore did their jobs right allayed to good quality elsewhere - rarely did they need to score 5 to win a game If you score 2 away from home and lose then you have a problem.....and a stark one when the opponents have 10 men for 25 mins!!!!! Lillis made one mistake for me yesterday.....taking off harry bunn. The rest was down to the players im afraid.
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Aug 31, 2014 8:28:24 GMT 1
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 31, 2014 8:28:24 GMT 1
Whoever is manager in two weeks we have two massive home games..
Borough and Clayts. Then a good Wigan team.... We must win one of them or. Are in massive trouble, let's hope the defence is sorted.
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Post by Mr Breitside on Aug 31, 2014 8:40:38 GMT 1
3 weeks since Robins departed... A decision needs to be made.
Leeds now looking for a new manager, it will soon be Bolton and Fulham on the hunt too.
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Aug 31, 2014 9:01:42 GMT 1
Post by sudbury on Aug 31, 2014 9:01:42 GMT 1
His mistakes yesterday was taking Bunn off and not having anyone marking their 'free' man (I've forgotten his name although we were interested in him). It was so obvious from the stand that he was unmarked, but the brainless players couldn't see it - surely Smithies should have spotted that before the corner was taken.
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Aug 31, 2014 11:31:45 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2014 11:31:45 GMT 1
His mistakes yesterday was taking Bunn off and not having anyone marking their 'free' man (I've forgotten his name although we were interested in him). It was so obvious from the stand that he was unmarked, but the brainless players couldn't see it - surely Smithies should have spotted that before the corner was taken. Bunn was still on the pitch when Andrews scored their third? To make it worse there were two players unmarked! We need a defensive leader to sort out the defending at corners. Mind you they were just as poor as us on corners.
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Aug 31, 2014 11:38:59 GMT 1
Post by terryya on Aug 31, 2014 11:38:59 GMT 1
His mistakes yesterday was taking Bunn off and not having anyone marking their 'free' man (I've forgotten his name although we were interested in him). It was so obvious from the stand that he was unmarked, but the brainless players couldn't see it - surely Smithies should have spotted that before the corner was taken. I'm going to mention this to the woman near me who moans about everything Smithies does, as I think this will be a new one even for her.
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Aug 31, 2014 12:37:48 GMT 1
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 31, 2014 12:37:48 GMT 1
Lennon just said he hasn't even spoken to any clubs ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 13:50:45 GMT 1
Lillis is not the man for the permanent role. Been saying it for a while.
Yes he has them playing as a team but the results have not been great. He is Town through and through but that is not enough for what is always going to be a tough Job.
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Aug 31, 2014 14:24:06 GMT 1
Post by shayman on Aug 31, 2014 14:24:06 GMT 1
He's not a manager. In 60 games as manager of Halifax, 1 game as caretaker of Stockport, 7 games as caretaker of Derby and 7 games as caretaker of Town, he's picked up 74 points. That's 74 points in 75 games. Isn't football funny how every three days he goes from being the BEST man for the job...then a few days later, just not cut out for it! Mmm. Anyway, back to your point re points. Funny how you can make stats say anything you want. If I can just pad some of this out for you...maybe a bit of perspective? Hope you don't mind... Firstly, in most circumstances, you become a Caretaker manager when the team is shit. Usually someone has been sacked and you've had an awful run of form. Only miracle workers can suddenly turn this around - but on all occasions with Town, he has IMPROVED the moral and got the team more organised, even though he was not given the long term to continue the work. I would say he probably did that in his other caretaker roles too? But can't comment there. Secondly, the period he managed at Halifax Town was when they had no money and were spiralling out of the league and, eventually, out of business. Hardly a marker to judge him. So, he may or may not get the job. But no need to bring these stats into the equation, just not relevant. Not true, he succeeded Keiran O'Regan, who was sacked, according to the chairman, for failing to spend the £300,000 we'd got for Geoff Horsfield. Expectations were still high when Lillis was appointed but all the hope slowly ebbed away and died as we lost, week after week after week.
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Aug 31, 2014 15:49:52 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2014 15:49:52 GMT 1
Isn't football funny how every three days he goes from being the BEST man for the job...then a few days later, just not cut out for it! Mmm. Anyway, back to your point re points. Funny how you can make stats say anything you want. If I can just pad some of this out for you...maybe a bit of perspective? Hope you don't mind... Firstly, in most circumstances, you become a Caretaker manager when the team is shit. Usually someone has been sacked and you've had an awful run of form. Only miracle workers can suddenly turn this around - but on all occasions with Town, he has IMPROVED the moral and got the team more organised, even though he was not given the long term to continue the work. I would say he probably did that in his other caretaker roles too? But can't comment there. Secondly, the period he managed at Halifax Town was when they had no money and were spiralling out of the league and, eventually, out of business. Hardly a marker to judge him. So, he may or may not get the job. But no need to bring these stats into the equation, just not relevant. Not true, he succeeded Keiran O'Regan, who was sacked, according to the chairman, for failing to spend the £300,000 we'd got for Geoff Horsfield. Expectations were still high when Lillis was appointed but all the hope slowly ebbed away and died as we lost, week after week after week. That's a first, a manager getting sacked for not spending money, managers usually walk for not having enough brass to spend!!
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Aug 31, 2014 16:20:27 GMT 1
Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 31, 2014 16:20:27 GMT 1
Lennon just said he hasn't even spoken to any clubs ? Who said he had ?? MEDIA SPECULATION.
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Aug 31, 2014 16:24:17 GMT 1
Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 31, 2014 16:24:17 GMT 1
His mistakes yesterday was taking Bunn off and not having anyone marking their 'free' man (I've forgotten his name although we were interested in him). It was so obvious from the stand that he was unmarked, but the brainless players couldn't see it - surely Smithies should have spotted that before the corner was taken. This Lillis love in will soon end when he gets the job full time, League one here we come!! Provide Lillis with 2 quality centre backs that put right the main ongoing failures of last season and this team will be heading for a play-off place
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Sept 1, 2014 17:14:39 GMT 1
Post by shayman on Sept 1, 2014 17:14:39 GMT 1
Not true, he succeeded Keiran O'Regan, who was sacked, according to the chairman, for failing to spend the £300,000 we'd got for Geoff Horsfield. Expectations were still high when Lillis was appointed but all the hope slowly ebbed away and died as we lost, week after week after week. That's a first, a manager getting sacked for not spending money, managers usually walk for not having enough brass to spend!! Yep, but that's how we used to roll at The Shay. We've had a lot of idiots running the club over the years, with the inevitable consequences.
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Sept 1, 2014 17:25:28 GMT 1
Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 1, 2014 17:25:28 GMT 1
just wait till you get back in the football league..there will be lines of idiots waiting to run/manage the club..
its like flies round a turd..
maybe where you are with the present management you are better off??
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