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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 31, 2014 20:11:19 GMT 1
Big part of a keepers game is to Marshall the defence,one of a few things he's crap at. Well said, he's no authority at all.
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Post by mcpato82 on Aug 31, 2014 20:15:03 GMT 1
I personally never think he has grown into the roles well enough doesn't command area well enough which puts defence in doubt which is bad enough Then I dont see him organising the defence well enough I don't think you say enough enough. sorry but the thread said smithies not good enough he's a good enough shot stopper
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 31, 2014 20:15:47 GMT 1
Big part of a keepers game is to Marshall the defence,one of a few things he's crap at. Well said, he's no authority at all. On what?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 31, 2014 20:19:38 GMT 1
Well said, he's no authority at all. On what? In marshalling or organising a defence lol.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 31, 2014 20:24:04 GMT 1
I have to admit i have not seen Town this season. I also have to admit that i believe Smithies to be very average. When he broke through the ranks many thought he was going places, Spurs starting watching, a million pound was rumoured. It was Ian Bennett who got Town into the play-offs, i have no doubt about that. Alex is Huddersfield through and through, he is a good lad...i am not sure he is a Championship keeper though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 20:33:07 GMT 1
When we got promoted, Bennett had the run that got us in the play offs. I was actually disappointed that Smithies was put in for the final. That was pivotal though. Personally, Murphy needs a few games for a decision to be made.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 31, 2014 20:39:12 GMT 1
Bennett did not just have a long run in the team, he was "Man of the Match" around 15 times in about 30 games!! The fella probably had the greatest run of form i have ever seen at the club.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2014 21:02:44 GMT 1
honestly have no idea what part of the highlights reflect badly on smithies!?! unless you think he should be playing centre half. by the sounds of it there was only one dodgy keeper on show yesterday and he has made nearly 100 apps for spurs. Your right Gomis was truly shite and as bad as their keeper last season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 21:06:31 GMT 1
worlds best keeper would look naff with our defence at the moment. It's like open season. Guaranteed for our defence to do their 'parting of the red sea' impression at least once during a game.
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Post by eddieyoudsscarf on Aug 31, 2014 21:09:46 GMT 1
For god's sake get behind the guy, He's by far and away the best keeper we've had in a long time and he's one of our own whose come through our system. His saves have also got us out of trouble on countless occasions, criticism of him is exactly why Mark Lillis shouldn't get the managers job, his legendary status would be in tatters as soon as we lost couple of games.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2014 21:13:18 GMT 1
I have to admit i have not seen Town this season. I also have to admit that i believe Smithies to be very average. When he broke through the ranks many thought he was going places, Spurs starting watching, a million pound was rumoured. It was Ian Bennett who got Town into the play-offs, i have no doubt about that. Alex is Huddersfield through and through, he is a good lad...i am not sure he is a Championship keeper though. He hasn't improved. In fact despite doing ok yesterday he looks as though he has lost it to me. The way he falls on the simplest shot and over exaggerates what should be very simple. I think he is a bit unhinged / unnerved. Doesn't say a huge amount for Murphy to me if he is not getting selected in front of Smithies. The odd mistake from a keeper is understandable - they all make them - like the one the Hart made for Man city yesterday, but the type of mistakes that Smithies was making v Blackburn and Derby last season you can only interpret that his mind is a bit scrambled and he needs a bit of psychological help. I've seen just about every top class keeper make a silly mistake. The only one I can't remember one from was Gordon Banks - but then again I would think that less than 5% of his appearances were televised so the amount of scrutiny that players like Smithies are under is incredible, and that creates a lot of pressure for them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 21:17:32 GMT 1
I honestly wonder what people see at games sometimes because there is NO WAY Alex Smithies was at fault for any of yesterday's goals.
People get things into their heads about certain players and it sticks... command of area etc. It's our shoddy defence that hasn't been rectified for 2 seasons that is the issue.
A commanding centre-half will not only improve the defence but will make Sithies job a lot easier in all aspects of his game.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Aug 31, 2014 21:23:56 GMT 1
Why has this thread about Smithies suddenly appeared? I've seen every league game this season and Smithies was at fault for Bournemouth's fourth goal and that's been it. He was not to blame for any of the goals yesterday. It seems some want to say something negative just for the sake of it. It's ridiculous and is doing nobody any favours.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 21:43:22 GMT 1
Why has this thread about Smithies suddenly appeared? I've seen every league game this season and Smithies was at fault for Bournemouth's fourth goal and that's been it. He was not to blame for any of the goals yesterday. It seems some want to say something negative just for the sake of it. It's ridiculous and is doing nobody any favours. Not least the lad himself. Fans are making it harder for him.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 31, 2014 22:00:20 GMT 1
Why has this thread about Smithies suddenly appeared? I've seen every league game this season and Smithies was at fault for Bournemouth's fourth goal and that's been it. He was not to blame for any of the goals yesterday. It seems some want to say something negative just for the sake of it. It's ridiculous and is doing nobody any favours. Not least the lad himself. Fans are making it harder for him. Yep the folk who slag him off constantly, shout stuff at him from the stands, sarcastically clap when he catches something are likely the same ones who'll slate him because he doesnt look confident.
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Post by impact on Aug 31, 2014 22:27:18 GMT 1
Quite how anyone can blame Smithies for that horrific defending on Saturday is beyond me.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 31, 2014 22:48:47 GMT 1
I have to admit i have not seen Town this season. I also have to admit that i believe Smithies to be very average. When he broke through the ranks many thought he was going places, Spurs starting watching, a million pound was rumoured. It was Ian Bennett who got Town into the play-offs, i have no doubt about that. Alex is Huddersfield through and through, he is a good lad...i am not sure he is a Championship keeper though. He hasn't improved. In fact despite doing ok yesterday he looks as though he has lost it to me. The way he falls on the simplest shot and over exaggerates what should be very simple. I think he is a bit unhinged / unnerved. Doesn't say a huge amount for Murphy to me if he is not getting selected in front of Smithies. The odd mistake from a keeper is understandable - they all make them - like the one the Hart made for Man city yesterday, but the type of mistakes that Smithies was making v Blackburn and Derby last season you can only interpret that his mind is a bit scrambled and he needs a bit of psychological help. I've seen just about every top class keeper make a silly mistake. The only one I can't remember one from was Gordon Banks - but then again I would think that less than 5% of his appearances were televised so the amount of scrutiny that players like Smithies are under is incredible, and that creates a lot of pressure for them. Even the greatest make errors..."to err is human". Some are questioning the thread, i would ask why it has not appeared before. He has become somewhat untouchable. We have just about survived for two seasons, he has not been great. I again admit i have not been able to attend this season but what i saw last year troubled me.
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Post by York Terrier on Aug 31, 2014 22:51:32 GMT 1
Wardy didn't play yesterday. Thank goodness he is crap
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Post by E4b on Aug 31, 2014 23:22:17 GMT 1
Wardy didn't play yesterday. Thank goodness he is crap Hence no hat-trick.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 7:11:27 GMT 1
He's not getting better,no longer is he up and coming.
I'm not his biggest fan but he's the last of our troubles right now.defender and a front man please
Would have loved deeny
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Sept 1, 2014 7:31:45 GMT 1
Really interested to know what the OP is referring to in those highlights. What part of those goals are Smithies fault?
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2014 8:48:46 GMT 1
Not least the lad himself. Fans are making it harder for him. Yep the folk who slag him off constantly, shout stuff at him from the stands, sarcastically clap when he catches something are likely the same ones who'll slate him because he doesnt look confident. So so true! The same experts who knew Arfield wasn't good enough for the championship ,Skarz would never be better than a L2 level full back ,Hunt 'can't defend' , Gerrard is not good enough for us. They've all been recent victims of the experts in the stands who like to try and destroy the confidence of certain Town players. And now Smithies has to put up with it. This ongoing bullshit about being a liability on crosses. Not commanding his box. Trot it out whenever they can and as with now, trot it out even at times they can't. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2014 8:54:02 GMT 1
He hasn't improved. In fact despite doing ok yesterday he looks as though he has lost it to me. The way he falls on the simplest shot and over exaggerates what should be very simple. I think he is a bit unhinged / unnerved. Doesn't say a huge amount for Murphy to me if he is not getting selected in front of Smithies. The odd mistake from a keeper is understandable - they all make them - like the one the Hart made for Man city yesterday, but the type of mistakes that Smithies was making v Blackburn and Derby last season you can only interpret that his mind is a bit scrambled and he needs a bit of psychological help. I've seen just about every top class keeper make a silly mistake. The only one I can't remember one from was Gordon Banks - but then again I would think that less than 5% of his appearances were televised so the amount of scrutiny that players like Smithies are under is incredible, and that creates a lot of pressure for them. Even the greatest make errors..."to err is human". Some are questioning the thread, i would ask why it has not appeared before. He has become somewhat untouchable. We have just about survived for two seasons, he has not been great.I again admit i have not been able to attend this season but what i saw last year troubled me. Thats crap Oti. he is without question the main reason why we did survive the last 2 seasons. he has won us LOADS and LOADS of points with some outstanding displays. Smithies went an awfull long time without making any costly errors and then when he has a little spell when he makes 2 or 3, thats all people choose to see. they write him off like they expect us to have a keeper who will NEVER make a mistake. They barrack him, abuse him, try and destroy his confidence. then moan like a set of dicks they are when he looks like he lacks confidence.
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Post by johnnyx on Sept 1, 2014 9:44:48 GMT 1
Got to say the op and Colt Seavers post after the game on Saturday wound me up and both sum up the negative side of towns support. So based on not going to the game and a couple of minutes highlights Smithies is not good enough and we are a shambles. Well based on actually going to the game, we are a couple of players away from being a decent championship team, despite not having the massive spending of half the teams in the league. Even before the sending off we were bossing the second half against a Watford team who expect to be play offs at worst. We played with passion and ability and could and should have got something out of the game. Obviously defensive mistakes cost us and yes we still need a commanding centre half, but shambles!!! At the end the vast majority of town fans stayed to applaud both the team and Lillis because they gave everything, as a town fan this is all I ask. As for Smithies, although he looks short on confidence, I wonder why!!!, he did nothing wrong and had no chance with the goals. It also won't help that he hasn't got a settled back four in front of him, this will come. The club are obviously aware we need a centre half that is a leader and a manager for the long term that can work within the clubs ethos. Both of these are vital appointments and are far from easy, as evidenced by the fact that datm posters can't agree on a stand out name for either. To conclude we are close to being a very decent side in a really competitive quality league. We have a great infrastructure and are well respected in the game. We have two keepers who most clubs would be happy to have.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 1, 2014 10:07:23 GMT 1
Got to say the op and Colt Seavers post after the game on Saturday wound me up and both sum up the negative side of towns support. So based on not going to the game and a couple of minutes highlights Smithies is not good enough and we are a shambles. Well based on actually going to the game, we are a couple of players away from being a decent championship team, despite not having the massive spending of half the teams in the league. Even before the sending off we were bossing the second half against a Watford team who expect to be play offs at worst. We played with passion and ability and could and should have got something out of the game. Obviously defensive mistakes cost us and yes we still need a commanding centre half, but shambles!!! At the end the vast majority of town fans stayed to applaud both the team and Lillis because they gave everything, as a town fan this is all I ask. As for Smithies, although he looks short on confidence, I wonder why!!!, he did nothing wrong and had no chance with the goals. It also won't help that he hasn't got a settled back four in front of him, this will come. The club are obviously aware we need a centre half that is a leader and a manager for the long term that can work within the clubs ethos. Both of these are vital appointments and are far from easy, as evidenced by the fact that datm posters can't agree on a stand out name for either. To conclude we are close to being a very decent side in a really competitive quality league. We have a great infrastructure and are well respected in the game. We have two keepers who most clubs would be happy to have. I went to the game and agree with your summary that we are close to being a decent side in a competitive league. However, I still think Smithies is poor and has lost it - based on watching him from the start of his career with Town. I don't shout abuse at him.
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Post by Novakaine on Sept 1, 2014 11:27:24 GMT 1
I seem to say this a lot, but from what I have seen, I think Wilczynski is the best keeper at this club.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Sept 1, 2014 12:40:23 GMT 1
There was one incident I vaguely recall from Sat where he came out and didn't communicate with the defender very well and it all ended up in a bit of a mess but no goal came from it. Otherwise he was OK, no worse than what I've seen of Murphy. Nothing that would suggest just dropping him. We've enough problems getting a consistently fit back 4 turning out for a few games in a row as it is without switching keepers on a whim as well.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 1, 2014 12:50:53 GMT 1
There was one incident I vaguely recall from Sat where he came out and didn't communicate with the defender very well and it all ended up in a bit of a mess but no goal came from it. Otherwise he was OK, no worse than what I've seen of Murphy. Nothing that would suggest just dropping him. We've enough problems getting a consistently fit back 4 turning out for a few games in a row as it is without switching keepers on a whim as well. His distribution was excellent also on Saturday - but longer term we need to improve on him.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 1, 2014 13:01:18 GMT 1
Even the greatest make errors..."to err is human". Some are questioning the thread, i would ask why it has not appeared before. He has become somewhat untouchable. We have just about survived for two seasons, he has not been great.I again admit i have not been able to attend this season but what i saw last year troubled me. Thats crap Oti. he is without question the main reason why we did survive the last 2 seasons. he has won us LOADS and LOADS of points with some outstanding displays. Smithies went an awfull long time without making any costly errors and then when he has a little spell when he makes 2 or 3, thats all people choose to see. they write him off like they expect us to have a keeper who will NEVER make a mistake. They barrack him, abuse him, try and destroy his confidence. then moan like a set of dicks they are when he looks like he lacks confidence. Can't say I've ever heard Town fans barracking him to be honest (apart from on here) - certainly none at Watford or Reading. His lack of confidence is purely self inflicted imho. It stems from inexplicably slinging it the back of the net at Peterborough a few years ago when under no pressure from either the opposition or Town fans, and several subsequent and similar mistakes. They are the type of mistake that needs psychological support / mental training rather than run of the mill coaching, and I'm surprised that Town don't give him the appropriate support - because he is a very good keeper in many respects.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 1, 2014 14:14:16 GMT 1
He made a bad error at posh that day. remember it well i was there. He hasn't made a high number since though. Anyone who thinks he has needs to watch MOTD more because evrey week on there top class keepers are making the sort of howlers Smithies would be totally lambasted for on here. First season after promotion he made ONE error that cost us a goal! ONE ! yet the constant bitching was always there. Its like Town fans don't realise that NO KEEPER will ever be totally mistake free. They all make them and when they do they tend to be costly. Smithies doesn't make anything like a high number. Peiople are out to destroy him here. My guess would be they slagged him off from the start and now want to be proved right. The ones who prefered Bennett.
As for not hearing the fans baracking him? If he doesn't come charging out for EVERY cross , regardless of the fact he won't get to it, there'll be groans and jeers. Some of the balls the experts on here think he should be charging our for are laughable! Of course, if he did and didn't get anywhere near them leaving the goal unguarded then the experts would be slaughtering him for coming charging out! Thats how it works. If he doesn't instantly hoof it accurately to an imaginary forward thats got himself into space within 0.2 seconds of picking the ball up, then again the boos and groans start because his distribution is crap and too slow.. A couple of weeks ago he made a mistake , cost us a goal in a game wed already lost, and minutes later we had people who like to pretend they are great fans chanting for him to be sent off when he was forced by a Lynch blunder to give away a pen. the same great fans who will have been bitterly disappointed when he saved the pen, so they couldn't boo him some more. Suggest these fans are fickle and they get their backs up about it! lol
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