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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 19:41:03 GMT 1
Iwant to make it clear that i admire Mark Lillis and he has certainly improved performance in the six games he has been in charge but to concede 4 goals and say the team was magnifecent is to be honest nothing but hype.
We have conceded fourteen goals in the six games mark as been in charge thats over two a game and the bottom line is that its a result buisness and whether mark gets the managers job or not our performances are not getting the results. i would support mark if he is given the job but for me dean as to look at the facts we are a soft touch defensivly and the new manager has lots to do to get us winning regulary. the facts are there, the hype we can certainly do without.Yesterday we played well to a point but the goals against speak for themselves.
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Post by barnsleydaz on Aug 31, 2014 19:46:37 GMT 1
Guess what, we need a couple of decent CB's.
I thought everyone new that. Until we find the right players the situation will not change.
Or am I missing something??
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Post by ritchie on Aug 31, 2014 19:48:49 GMT 1
Iwant to make it clear that i admire Mark Lillis and he has certainly improved performance in the six games he has been in charge but to concede 4 goals and say the team was magnifecent is to be honest nothing but hype. We have conceded fourteen goals in the six games mark as been in charge thats over two a game and the bottom line is that its a result buisness and whether mark gets the managers job or not our performances are not getting the results. i would support mark if he is given the job but for me dean as to look at the facts we are a soft touch defensivly and the new manager has lots to do to get us winning regulary. the facts are there, the hype we can certainly do without.Yesterday we played well to a point but the goals against speak for themselves. I AGREE TO BE HONEST |
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Post by terrierng on Aug 31, 2014 19:50:43 GMT 1
Guess what, we need a couple of decent CB's. I thought everyone new that. Until we find the right players the situation will not change. Or am I missing something?? possibly,but maybe we need someone to get them playing better,lynch,gerrard,wallace,coady,pelts,robinson,smith can all play cb,surely a two from them seven could be decent?..maybe not though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 19:51:08 GMT 1
Guess what, we need a couple of decent CB's. I thought everyone new that. Until we find the right players the situation will not change. Or am I missing something?? i cerainly think we need one but im sure dean will be well aware of it and he has a difficult decision to make but dean needs the support as well i was just trying to put a proper balance to the situation we are in. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 19:54:25 GMT 1
Yesterday our midfield WERE magnificent, we ran the game in the middle of the park. People that were there could see the effort. Most posts about the team yesterday echoed that.
I don't think anyone is daft enough to think that we are anything less than abysmal at the back.
It is weird I'll give you that but I also left the game thinking we had bossed it for most part. To me that says we are a defence short of a really good side.
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Post by barnsleydaz on Aug 31, 2014 19:56:19 GMT 1
Guess what, we need a couple of decent CB's. I thought everyone new that. Until we find the right players the situation will not change. Or am I missing something?? i cerainly think we need one but im sure dean will be well aware of it and he has a difficult decision to make but dean needs the support as well i was just trying to put a proper balance to the situation we are in. Agreed, But, I think its about being patient, the right CB will come along I'm sure. What I don't want is DH to bring in any CB just because we need one. If they are not better that what we already have then its a waste of resources. I agree it need to happen soon, but I think its out of our hands and down to who is available. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 31, 2014 20:05:36 GMT 1
buy another midfield genius for next to nowt and put coady in the back 4 with gerrard on his return??? We might then have a 'game reading, ball playing centre back'?
sure as shit we cant afford to buy a ready made one..but we are doing ok with the purchasing of good midfielders?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 20:07:08 GMT 1
Yesterday our midfield WERE magnificent, we ran the game in the middle of the park. People that were there could see the effort. Most posts about the team yesterday echoed that. I don't think anyone is daft enough to think that we are anything less than abysmal at the back. It is weird I'll give you that but I also left the game thinking we had bossed it for most part. To me that says we are a defence short of a really good side. its not only the back 5 to blame we are poor without the ball and that stands out a mile. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 31, 2014 20:10:18 GMT 1
agreed with the above.. we either have midfielders sat on the centre halves toes or a fooking great chasm between them and the centre halves..we are either holding hands or having to send e-mails..
get that sorted out and the centre halves wouldn't look as bad..
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Aug 31, 2014 20:14:18 GMT 1
Has Lillis said anything different as I though the didnt want the managers job anyway? In all honesty I could have missed something regards that though. I wouldnt be surprised if there were simply too many chiefs anyway at the club, we need a real leader who will grab the place by the scruff of the neck and not give tuppence what we all say. That can be done in a loud chest thumping style or a methodical businesslike manner. Either way I think all this identifying targets through sophisticated scouting networks is a load of codswallop and i personally think the likes of Ross Wilson are a waste of space. Its not rocket science to see we need a leader at the back, someone in the Peter Clarke mould which is all rather ironic.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 31, 2014 21:19:26 GMT 1
agreed with the above.. we either have midfielders sat on the centre halves toes or a fooking great chasm between them and the centre halves..we are either holding hands or having to send e-mails.. get that sorted out and the centre halves wouldn't look as bad.. It wasn't like that yesterday and none of the goals were related to that type of issue. |
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Post by softboy on Aug 31, 2014 21:25:06 GMT 1
If you look at the results since he took over Mark Lillis is clearly not good enough for the job (out of the cup & fourth bottom in the league) - nothing else to say.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 31, 2014 21:36:36 GMT 1
watching the goals there was a lack of communication and organisation, its always like that..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 23:37:52 GMT 1
Guess what, we need a couple of decent CB's. I thought everyone new that. Until we find the right players the situation will not change. Or am I missing something?? I agree we need a CB Daz but actually, at this level are Wallace and Lynch reasonable CBs? I would probably argue they are....therefore is it really an excuse to blame the CB situation for shipping shit loads of goals or should someone be managing this teams defensive play better? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 9:50:33 GMT 1
Has Lillis said anything different as I though the didnt want the managers job anyway? In all honesty I could have missed something regards that though. I wouldnt be surprised if there were simply too many chiefs anyway at the club, we need a real leader who will grab the place by the scruff of the neck and not give tuppence what we all say. That can be done in a loud chest thumping style or a methodical businesslike manner. Either way I think all this identifying targets through sophisticated scouting networks is a load of codswallop and i personally think the likes of Ross Wilson are a waste of space. Its not rocket science to see we need a leader at the back, someone in the Peter Clarke mould which is all rather ironic. The mirror are speculating about us going to approach Coventry over pressley. Who KNOWS BUT ONE THING I DO KNOW HE IS A NO NONSENSE GUY WHO WOULD TAKE NO PRISONERS AND HE DOES HAVE HIS TEAMS PLAYING THE RIGHT WAY. SOME WOUDNT WANT HIM BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT HIM OR WHOEVER DEAN CHOSES BUT AS I SAID DEFENSIVLY WE ARE POOR AND MARK AS NOT BEEN ABLE TO RECITFY THAT AND THAT IS A FACT. |
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Post by barnsleydaz on Sept 1, 2014 11:05:39 GMT 1
Guess what, we need a couple of decent CB's. I thought everyone new that. Until we find the right players the situation will not change. Or am I missing something?? I agree we need a CB Daz but actually, at this level are Wallace and Lynch reasonable CBs? I would probably argue they are....therefore is it really an excuse to blame the CB situation for shipping shit loads of goals or should someone be managing this teams defensive play better? Good point, I don't know the answer. On their day all of our players are good enough at this level, trouble is they are too inconsistent. I suppose thats why they are with us. So maybe you are right and its down to having the right person in to organise and motivate these inconsistent players that we do have. Truth is, we can not afford the more consistent types of player. |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 1, 2014 11:16:14 GMT 1
Our worst start the season in nearly 10 years. Not pretty.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 1, 2014 11:28:11 GMT 1
Our worst start the season in nearly 10 years. Not pretty. All down to a fat cheating referee |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 1, 2014 11:29:36 GMT 1
whatever the reason, it's a poor start. Still, last two we have started well and finished crap, so maybe this is the right way around...  |
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Post by Tez on Sept 1, 2014 11:31:46 GMT 1
whatever the reason, it's a poor start. Still, last two we have started well and finished crap, so maybe this is the right way around... Hoping so otherwise if we finish how we normally do it's looking a bit grim!  |
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Post by In sooth- - on Sept 1, 2014 11:42:53 GMT 1
We have gone eight games without an away clean sheet in the league.
Not from me- - -from the Daily Telegraph today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 11:43:28 GMT 1
Jamie Allen ?@jamie_Journo 35m
Just received a tip off that Malky Mackay is set to become Huddersfield Town's new manager #HTAFC #CCFC
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Post by bro600 on Sept 1, 2014 12:32:20 GMT 1
You can forget all the hype but you can;t forget what the majority of supporters and Dean Hoyle were stating they wanted last February. We all wanted a more positive style of football, a team giving 100% and entertainment. We changed the coach to provide a more positive approach, they identified that the midfield needed a more pacey and athletic approach to it and despite Norwood and Clayton being two of our better players they couldn't match the system playing together. The style of play the under 21's nd under 18's play as been very successful and now it is thought that Huddersfield Town should no longer be seen to be trying to avoid relegation that style of play is what they decided with Mark Robins should be adopted. The problem was Mark Robins couldn't get the negativity out of his system and he wasn't 100% committed.. The players were being coached one way and played with another in mind. As soon as we started playing anyone half decent Robins was reverting back to his cautious approach and the players started to lose confidence in him. It all came to an head against Bournemouth.. ONLY 3 WEEKS AGO... Robins reckons he couldn't deliver what the supporters and Dean Hoyle wanted with what he;d got..Since that date Lillis as come in and delivered 100% commitment, a more positive style of play and entertainment. On Saturday Lillis said that the defence could be coached the system. As anyone who as ever coached or played the game a long time can testify usually it is the defence that suffers the most in a change of style. Being caught out of position or not closing the gap between midfield and defence leads to all sorts of problems and choosing to support the attack as a full-back or sitting back is something that comes with learning about the strengths of your team mates.. As four of the team are new players it is no surprise that there is mistakes and goals conceded.. At the end of all this it's not as though Lillis, Robins and Dean Hoyle have not said that players who improve our team will be brought in when they are available.. Mark Robins waited for three weeks for a premiership centre-half who was waiting to hear from his club which didn't work out for us so it's not as though we are not looking. It needs to be given a little patience, understanding and time..I think we're going in the right direction it's just that too many people want it too fast.
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Post by barnsleydaz on Sept 1, 2014 12:36:02 GMT 1
Jamie Allen ?@jamie_Journo 35m Just received a tip off that Malky Mackay is set to become Huddersfield Town's new manager #HTAFC #CCFC I'd be happy with that. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 1, 2014 12:49:08 GMT 1
its not a question of 'wanting it too fast'..
its more a question of having to have it quicker than we are doing it..
relegation must be avoided, whatever we spend, however we play, that's the priority, end of..
we spent a lot of money, relatively speaking to get here and arrived with a squad very unprepared to play here..not the supporters fault.
we are now playing catch up with the squad against a timetable that is against us. losing the manager hasn't helped, taking as long as we have to replace him, however sensible etc etc, hasn't helped.
we are one off the relegation zone and for all those that believe its too early to get worried about it, I will repeat what I have said before, the 4 games have gone, we can bring in whoever we can but those 12 points cant be played for again. Don't look ahead more than the next game, its worth 3 points same as any other, the club should be looking to be ready for that game not some mythical time in the future when we will be 'sorted and ready'..
I think the young lads at Town are 'sorted' to some extent for our 'future' but now its about a week on Saturday and then onwards towards may and still being here after that. We have somewhat lost sight of that over the last couple of seasons.
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Post by bro600 on Sept 1, 2014 13:03:25 GMT 1
its not a question of 'wanting it too fast'.. its more a question of having to have it quicker than we are doing it.. relegation must be avoided, whatever we spend, however we play, that's the priority, end of.. we spent a lot of money, relatively speaking to get here and arrived with a squad very unprepared to play here..not the supporters fault. we are now playing catch up with the squad against a timetable that is against us. losing the manager hasn't helped, taking as long as we have to replace him, however sensible etc etc, hasn't helped. we are one off the relegation zone and for all those that believe its too early to get worried about it, I will repeat what I have said before, the 4 games have gone, we can bring in whoever we can but those 12 points cant be played for again. Don't look ahead more than the next game, its worth 3 points same as any other, the club should be looking to be ready for that game not some mythical time in the future when we will be 'sorted and ready'.. I think the young lads at Town are 'sorted' to some extent for our 'future' but now its about a week on Saturday and then onwards towards may and still being here after that. We have somewhat lost sight of that over the last couple of seasons. Having it quicker is the same as wanting it too fast... Bringing in a centre-half just for the sake of bringing one in or bringing in a manager for the same reason isn't the answer when fighting a campaign of 46 games either. I sincerely believe that Dean Hoyle as delivered the right choice of manager on the last 3 occasions so i trust him now. Lee Clark brought the club out of the doldrums and installed a belief that we could get promoted and raised the whole profile of the club. The season when Southampton pipped us was exceptional and very unlucky. Grayson delivered the promotion that his pedigree said it would and then Robins saved us from relegation when it looked gloomy. We are looking to progress into a challenging Championship side and Mark Robins jumped ship, we are looking at a different style of manager who can embrace a very decent academy system with a fairly talented first team squad.. It as taken a while..so what ? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 1, 2014 13:18:42 GMT 1
the above is all conjecture, promise and hope.
what we are looking at in fact is another serious struggle to remain in this division. The rest is mythical and in a future that sort of depends on us still being here.
we are not 'settled' in this division as yet and be honest here, a 'good season' would be around mid table, a 'challenging' championship team is miles off and without getting the obvious faults sorted now it will get further away as each game goes by.
The bottom line is we are in the championship, we either shit or get off the pot.. basic sorry, but its true, you cant play at it. We lost to Watford on Saturday and they have similar crowds to us, we lost to Bournemouth and drew with Charlton, all similar to us in crowd sizes etc. We can keep using the money excuse and 'playing with the big boys' etc but we either compete or die, its an inescapable FACT..
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Post by bro600 on Sept 1, 2014 13:38:48 GMT 1
I'm afraid the playing with the big boys scenario doesn't wash.
Throwing millions at the problem nowaday's doesn't guarantee success.
Stoke beat Man City on Saturday.
Man Utd can't buy a win for toffee despite having a squad worth 100's of millions.
Blackburn spent a fortune last season and went nowhere.
Fulham have also spent and look at their start.
I don't think the future of football is throwing money at it and playing with the big boys anymore. I think it's about foundations, academies and decision making, which will take time..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 14:48:09 GMT 1
I'm afraid the playing with the big boys scenario doesn't wash. Throwing millions at the problem nowaday's doesn't guarantee success. Stoke beat Man City on Saturday. Man Utd can't buy a win for toffee despite having a squad worth 100's of millions. Blackburn spent a fortune last season and went nowhere. Fulham have also spent and look at their start. I don't think the future of football is throwing money at it and playing with the big boys anymore. I think it's about foundations, academies and decision making, which will take time.. to be honest i think its a mixture of what galpharm is saying and your post. there is no easy solution but lets get the manager in place and get settled down because there is so much uncertanty at the moment. |
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