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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 14, 2014 15:53:43 GMT 1
you pays your money and you makes your choice..
I wouldn't presume to tell anyone where to go in the ground or what to do whilst they are there..(illegal acts/behaviour aside)..
watch football from where you like and how you like but more importantly keep watching it live..
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 14, 2014 15:55:29 GMT 1
Even though I don't choose to go in I commend what these people are trying to do and all the effort, people like Scoffa. It's easy to start a stupid thread like you have.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 15:58:01 GMT 1
Can we merge all these NSL threads into one please Daz? I don't wish it to take the board over, and I'm sure there are good folks who want to read about other matters.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Sept 14, 2014 15:58:13 GMT 1
Even though I don't choose to go in I commend what these people are trying to do and all the effort, people like Scoffa. It's easy to start a stupid thread like you have. That last sentence was spoken like a man with experience!
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 14, 2014 16:00:57 GMT 1
This Tuesday a sing off kilner v NSL can you hear the nsl sing..........................
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Post by Sio on Sept 14, 2014 16:02:25 GMT 1
A bit defensive there Mel, not trying rain on anyone's parade but if you continue with this attitude you're just cutting off your nose to spite your face, you won't achieve what you want to do, improve the match day atmosphere, in fact there is a good chance that this project is having the exact opposite effect, it could make it worse. There was a singing section in the Kilner Bank yet you want to make a new one at the opposite side of the ground, diluting any atmosphere there was even more? I understand you've put a lot of time and effort into this and fair doo's to you in that respect and I could understand your hackles being raised when people knock it but be realistic about why you're doing it and what you expect to achieve. As I suggested to Ben, give it the full season review it, see if you're achieving what you wanted to and see if its going in right direction,if not I'd switch back into the Kilner Bank. How is it defensive. The people proclaiming the NSL has already failed seem to have forgotten that our home atmosphere has been nothing short of embarrassing for years. A couple of weeks ago, the atmosphere against Charlton was apparently brilliant, and people from all stands quite rightly pointed out that it wasn't just down to the NSL. Now, when we have one bad game, the NSL is to blame for the BR being quiet? We've had 3 home league games, and one anomaly of a league cup game, and we're making a judgement on the NSL already declaring it's diluting the atmosphere. I'm not bothered if folk take exception with my post to be honest, I certainly aren't going to start sucking up to fans to try and get them to come and join us, if we end up with 200 going back to the Brittania, and we're left with 500 in the NSL that want to be there, then so be it. People can choose to sit where they want, our aim is to make the NSL the preferred choice, yesterday was a setback, Tuesday is an opportunity. Bang on. When it's good, everyone's happy. When it's bad, blame the NSL. I don't understand why people are so concerned by it. These comments about it worsening the atmosphere are what's embarrassing. Our atmosphere pre-NSL was awful. Not saying we've done anything to improve it yet, but we're trying, and it can't get any worse.. The criticism is baffling.
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Post by softboy on Sept 14, 2014 16:02:49 GMT 1
Sitting towards the away end of the Riverside Stand it is difficult to give an overall assessment but it is good to see bodies, in town shirts & flags brighten the end up. Prior to this season it always looked to me as if it was sort of half open with a few billy no mates here & there. I think the problem may well be that that disasterious start against Bournmouth seemed to take the wind out of the situation & to be frank we have not exactly set the stadium alight on the field have we. I think people can only make a realistic assesment when we have got into the new year, played some footy under floodlights which always appears to improve the atmosphere & started to bang goals in & play well. As for the heading "Please sack NSL" - how disrespectful, it is a positive choice people have made themselves about trying to improve the atmosphere at the ground. For those who do not like it dont join it.
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Post by seanyd1brit on Sept 14, 2014 16:03:40 GMT 1
I haven't been yet but knowing the people who are involved id wager that the NSL songs are a lot less embarrassing than the ones the "singing section" usually churn out.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 14, 2014 16:09:46 GMT 1
Even though I don't choose to go in I commend what these people are trying to do and all the effort, people like Scoffa. It's easy to start a stupid thread like you have. That last sentence was spoken like a man with experience!
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Post by dickya on Sept 14, 2014 16:26:21 GMT 1
It's embarrassing,and it's made the atmosphere a lot worse.Pack it in boys and girls Keep it Going Guys. It is up to all 3 sides of the stadium to keep the atmosphere going,hopefully affected by on field play. I am behind this NSL support totally ,Even though I sit in the Kilner Bank,my choice! It is not a contest between Kilner or NSL or DG we are all in this together . Come on all you Knockers no matter where you sit get behind the team ,That Is What We Go For!!! Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/93220/middlesbrough-match-build?page=2#ixzz3DIuV9bHT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:30:05 GMT 1
Nobody is stopping the fans that go in the Kilner, from raising thousands of pounds to purchase flags, streamers, ticker tape, contact the media, hundreds of PM's and emails between themselves, the club, and suppliers. We were located in that corner for years, and it was poor, and personally I would have had no interest in setting up a home end in the corner by the away fans. I prefer it behind the goal, where it has to be. By the way Ben, I know I've quoted your post, I'm obviously responding to Arterrier. A bit defensive there Mel, not trying rain on anyone's parade but if you continue with this attitude you're just cutting off your nose to spite your face, you won't achieve what you want to do, improve the match day atmosphere, in fact there is a good chance that this project is having the exact opposite effect, it could make it worse. . My experience is the atmosphere has improved. Quite a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:32:40 GMT 1
Aye that's the type of atmosphere we want the young fans to grow up expecting. Comments like that ( you may have been saying it sarcastically..) are exactly why we need to focus on building our own atmosphere and not focusing on this ridiculous goading of the away fans every game. Not at all, apart from the goals both sets of fans gave out the loudest cheer of the day Didnt hear *anything* from the Town fans, just the Boro fans shouting for tits out. So certainly NOT the loudest cheer apart from the goals.
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Post by terrierdaz on Sept 14, 2014 16:34:28 GMT 1
Can we merge all these NSL threads into one please Daz? I don't wish it to take the board over, and I'm sure there are good folks who want to read about other matters. yes no problem
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:39:42 GMT 1
I would have sang a lot more if my neck wasn't aching so much
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:43:34 GMT 1
Can we merge all these NSL threads into one please Daz? I don't wish it to take the board over, and I'm sure there are good folks who want to read about other matters. yes no problem can you merge all the moaners into the FM Lower on a Saturday Daz?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 14, 2014 16:45:26 GMT 1
A bit defensive there Mel, not trying rain on anyone's parade but if you continue with this attitude you're just cutting off your nose to spite your face, you won't achieve what you want to do, improve the match day atmosphere, in fact there is a good chance that this project is having the exact opposite effect, it could make it worse. . My experience is the atmosphere has improved. Quite a bit. It might have seen localised improvement but the overall atmosphere has not improved. I sit in the Kilner Bank by the away fans and you can't hear any noise coming from that end, so how has that improved the atmosphere? It might sound cracking when you're in that end but you just can't hear anything in any other part of the ground.
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Post by terrierdaz on Sept 14, 2014 16:50:45 GMT 1
My Take on this
I have my season ticket in the NS and am fully behind what is trying to be achieved ,.
The first half yesterday there was a fair amount of noise , it actually nearly felt like an away day .
The second half , was quiet up until Stead scored , during that period a few guys started to sing , they were not joined by the majority, I can only surmise that this was due to what was being served up on the pitch.
For the NSL to succeed the attitude of everyone in there needs to be the same as an awayday , not just for the odd game or when Town are winning, but for 95 mins every game .
I have seen statements that now we have a home end we will sing and make noise win , lose or draw, we need to make good on that and prove that firstly the NS is a viable step to at some point in the future getting a more permanent home in the South Stand , if that will ever happen in my lifetime , I do not know ,
As has been stated earlier in this thread the atmosphere in the JSS is not solely down to the NS , our stadium is not the best when it comes to acoustics and does not lend itself to creating a natural atmosphere.
The whole of our support be it in the Kilner , the Riverside and yes the NS Lower and Upper need to take a long hard look at themselves , stop the petty our stand cant hear you , / the support has been diluted , and work TOGETHER
While I understand not everyone is the same ... I do think we all want the same , a decent Saturday / Tuesday where it is a pleasure to come to the game , no matter what those overpaid , over privileged pansies do on the field.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:56:47 GMT 1
My experience is the atmosphere has improved. Quite a bit. It might have seen localised improvement but the overall atmosphere has not improved. I sit in the Kilner Bank by the away fans and you can't hear any noise coming from that end, so how has that improved the atmosphere? It might sound cracking when you're in that end but you just can't hear anything in any other part of the ground. I was sat at half way line in KB and I couldn't hear much from NSL or farther up the KB either. I don't think it matters how loud they are really- the sound doesn't travel in our stadium. You can hear/enjoy atmos where you're sat. Plus as has been said there was literally nothing to cheer yesterday. No football played, disjointed team, players out of position, missed sitter and yet another Vaughan injury and behind for a long time. It'll get better as the team improves.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 14, 2014 17:06:13 GMT 1
the noise got better as we scored..for obvious reasons.. the team then drop in and concede a penalty and the noise died..
we were at home and for at least the last few minutes boro should have been camped in their own half/box..
I think everyone, including our staff and team were very happy to get the point and that in a nutshell is where we are.
We get back into the game at Watford, we were never really out of it but then fell away to hold it and lost it.
time and again the chances come to take on a game and we fail spectacularly to do so. Maybe the noise we all want needs consistent levels of town pressure in games to build a bit?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 17:09:17 GMT 1
Chris Powell heard us when we asked him to give us a , so at least we know we're reaching the halfway line.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Sept 14, 2014 17:16:01 GMT 1
. For the NSL to succeed the attitude of everyone in there needs to be the same as an awayday , not just for the odd game or when Town are winning, but for 95 mins every game .. This is the key bit. Fans can bang on about supporting the team through thick and thin, but when it comes to match day and we're losing, people do not really feel like singing. Some people may argue otherwise, but that rule applies to 95% of town fans and is the biggest hurdle that those organising the NSL have to get over. Unfortunately I think it's an impossible task.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Sept 14, 2014 17:16:38 GMT 1
Chris Powell heard us when we asked him to give us a , so at least we know we're reaching the halfway line. Maybe against Wigan we should ask the away fans for a , then we'll know whether or not they can hear us.
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Post by terrierng on Sept 14, 2014 17:21:38 GMT 1
My experience is the atmosphere has improved. Quite a bit. It might have seen localised improvement but the overall atmosphere has not improved. I sit in the Kilner Bank by the away fans and you can't hear any noise coming from that end, so how has that improved the atmosphere? It might sound cracking when you're in that end but you just can't hear anything in any other part of the ground. the players will be able to hear it especially when kicking that way,if it helps them then I couldn't give two shits if the kilner bankers cant hear it in their corner.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 17:30:03 GMT 1
. For the NSL to succeed the attitude of everyone in there needs to be the same as an awayday , not just for the odd game or when Town are winning, but for 95 mins every game .. This is the key bit. Fans can bang on about supporting the team through thick and thin, but when it comes to match day and we're losing, people do not really feel like singing. Some people may argue otherwise, but that rule applies to 95% of town fans and is the biggest hurdle that those organising the NSL have to get over. Unfortunately I think it's an impossible task. But does it even matter? Its not going to be worse even when its quiet. I quite enjoyed watching the game in the second half despite the lack of concerted chanting. Its not wall to wall noise at away games every match either.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 14, 2014 17:43:10 GMT 1
Not at all, apart from the goals both sets of fans gave out the loudest cheer of the day Didnt hear *anything* from the Town fans, just the Boro fans shouting for tits out. So certainly NOT the loudest cheer apart from the goals. tell me what was if you were in the kilner bank?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 17:52:08 GMT 1
Some fans are never gonna sing no matter what & that's fair enough. I think idea to localise the ones who do is a sensible one and a noble aim..personally speaking I think it's hard because it's so far from the away fans and is hamstrung because some potential members, that do sing will not want to watch from behind the goal.
This year it could work with a bit of friendly rivalry between singing section and NSL though, akin to left side/right side at away games.
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Post by Cole on Sept 14, 2014 18:09:45 GMT 1
My experience is the atmosphere has improved. Quite a bit. It might have seen localised improvement but the overall atmosphere has not improved. I sit in the Kilner Bank by the away fans and you can't hear any noise coming from that end, so how has that improved the atmosphere? It might sound cracking when you're in that end but you just can't hear anything in any other part of the ground. And we couldn't hear you...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 18:17:15 GMT 1
Didnt hear *anything* from the Town fans, just the Boro fans shouting for tits out. So certainly NOT the loudest cheer apart from the goals. tell me what was if you were in the kilner bank? I wasn't.
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Post by Sio on Sept 14, 2014 18:28:14 GMT 1
It might have seen localised improvement but the overall atmosphere has not improved. I sit in the Kilner Bank by the away fans and you can't hear any noise coming from that end, so how has that improved the atmosphere? It might sound cracking when you're in that end but you just can't hear anything in any other part of the ground. And we couldn't hear you... Exactly. People in the singing section seem to be under this illusion that they're creating atmosphere. They're not. The only hope of creating atmosphere in the ground is by spreading the singers out to other areas of the ground, which is what we're trying to do.
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Post by corky69 on Sept 14, 2014 18:33:09 GMT 1
It is difficult to sing when you consider how bad we were in the second half up until we scored
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