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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 18:41:57 GMT 1
Look. Let's call a truce for everyone's sake. When we said we wanted to improve the atmosphere, that meant we wanted two singing sections. The Kilner needs to thrive and it will once they stop being so fucking daft and treating us like the enemy.
I'm all for a friendly stand rivalry, brilliant in fact, if it raises the noise levels. I can't stand twerps from ANY stand who sing nothing all game then come on here giving it big licks. Here's a stone cold fact, if we all sang, the atmosphere would be electric. You can't lay the blame at either stand for that, but the whole ground.
We are in this together, Kilner bank North stand. One likes to get in the face of the away fans, one likes to have an away day at home. Two stands are better than one. Fuck off with all this can't hear you bullshit. Instead let's have a sing song together. Not hard really.
Kilner, give us a song, Kilner Kilner give us a song... See? Nice innit?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 22:06:27 GMT 1
I don't get the negativity on this matter at all. Did I miss the 'electric' atmosphere last season?
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Post by Cole on Sept 14, 2014 22:17:52 GMT 1
How about we do this... Get's both the north stand and kilner singing and encourages those inbetween to join in.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Sept 14, 2014 22:28:30 GMT 1
TBH I don't wan't the 'singing section' anywhere near NSL they are all cringeworthy and most are casual wanna be's
They can keep their We all hate Leeds scum at the other side of the stadium
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 14, 2014 22:34:00 GMT 1
I'm afraid on't internet, all I heard was Middlesborough fans singing. Not a dig, just fact. That's because there's; 1) how many NSL fans behind goal? 450-600 max 2) placed in a stand that holds how many? 1500 max? 3) the away end can hold 3000 plus why oh why are we constantly rolling out the fucking red carpet for away fans!? Is it money? Because if it is I'm sad. Our stadium is struggling. How many away games have we been to where the allocation for away is plus 3000? Many won't agree with this and many will say it's to do with the stadium specifics but why oh why can't the "away" end be the NSL and our own "Singing section" be the away end!? Did anyone hear the noise they generated? I've been thinking it for 20 years why do they get that whole section? At no time at any other ground around the country have I felt so invited as I perceive the away fans at our stadium to feel. It's beyond ridiculous. Surely the hierarchy at our club know this? That is why I feel it is purely down to money. They get a whole stand? How does this make our keeper feel? He has to put up with a barrage of abuse for a whole half at his home ground when he is pretty much subject to it for 90 at all away games! Am I the only one thinking this? Sorry I am ranting I'm just livid I felt like an away fan whilst supposed to be at home. Oh and by the way I was sat in the NSL
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Post by Sio on Sept 14, 2014 22:41:56 GMT 1
I'm afraid on't internet, all I heard was Middlesborough fans singing. Not a dig, just fact. That's because there's; 1) how many NSL fans behind goal? 450-600 max 2) placed in a stand that holds how many? 1500 max? 3) the away end can hold 3000 plus why oh why are we constantly rolling out the fucking red carpet for away fans!? Is it money? Because if it is I'm sad. Our stadium is struggling. How many away games have we been to where the allocation for away is plus 3000? Many won't agree with this and many will say it's to do with the stadium specifics but why oh why can't the "away" end be the NSL and our own "Singing section" be the away end!? Did anyone hear the noise they generated? I've been thinking it for 20 years why do they get that whole section? At no time at any other ground around the country have I felt so invited as I perceive the away fans at our stadium to feel. It's beyond ridiculous. Surely the hierarchy at our club know this? That is why I feel it is purely down to money. They get a whole stand? How does this make our keeper feel? He has to put up with a barrage of abuse for a whole half at his home ground when he is pretty much subject to it for 90 at all away games! Am I the only one thinking this? Sorry I am ranting I'm just livid I felt like an away fan whilst supposed to be at home. Oh and by the way I was sat in the NSL You're not the only one thinking it by any means, I think we all want the south stand ultimately. But because of the ownership of our stadium, we don't have as much control over it as other clubs do with theirs. Combine that with all the excuses they churn out, and the terrible design, there's so many limitations to us having the south stand. It'd be an almost impossible task for the club to sort out. I'm sure Dean is aware of where the best stand in the ground is, but there's not much he can do.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 14, 2014 22:54:05 GMT 1
And we couldn't hear you... Exactly. People in the singing section seem to be under this illusion that they're creating atmosphere. They're not. The only hope of creating atmosphere in the ground is by spreading the singers out to other areas of the ground, which is what we're trying to do. Wrong, I haven't seen anyone say that the Kilner Bank was creating a better atmosphere I never said that nor had no one else. You NSL lot are getting paranoid. Seriously, chill out, although you guys also seem to be under the illusion that you are creating a atmosphere that actually nobody can hear.
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Post by Sio on Sept 14, 2014 22:58:20 GMT 1
Exactly. People in the singing section seem to be under this illusion that they're creating atmosphere. They're not. The only hope of creating atmosphere in the ground is by spreading the singers out to other areas of the ground, which is what we're trying to do. Wrong, I haven't seen anyone say that the Kilner Bank was creating a better atmosphere I never said that nor had no one else. You NSL lot are getting paranoid. Seriously, chill out, although you guys also seem to be under the illusion that you are creating a atmosphere that actually nobody can hear. No, we're not. We're fully aware of the problems with the FML stand, and we know the noise doesn't spread. Are we creating a good atmosphere at that end for the kids in the upper to join in with? Yes. NSL lot aren't getting paranoid pal, just getting a bit fed up doing a lot of work to see complaints that we're not doing enough. We're enjoying ourselves along with the people who come in, that's all we're in there to do.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 14, 2014 23:02:13 GMT 1
TBH I don't wan't the 'singing section' anywhere near NSL they are all cringeworthy and most are casual wanna be's They can keep their We all hate Leeds scum at the other side of the stadium Ben said the other day that the intention wasn't to cause a divide amongst the fans but with your attitude, that's what's gonna happen.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 14, 2014 23:07:00 GMT 1
Wrong, I haven't seen anyone say that the Kilner Bank was creating a better atmosphere I never said that nor had no one else. You NSL lot are getting paranoid. Seriously, chill out, although you guys also seem to be under the illusion that you are creating a atmosphere that actually nobody can hear. No, we're not. We're fully aware of the problems with the FML stand, and we know the noise doesn't spread. Are we creating a good atmosphere at that end for the kids in the upper to join in with? Yes. NSL lot aren't getting paranoid pal, just getting a bit fed up doing a lot of work to see complaints that we're not doing enough. We're enjoying ourselves along with the people who come in, that's all we're in there to do. As I said in theory I'm in full support of your idea but I genuinely think, ultimately the plan will fail due to the stadium design. People are merely expressing an opinion on what they see happening.
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Post by Sio on Sept 14, 2014 23:09:45 GMT 1
No, we're not. We're fully aware of the problems with the FML stand, and we know the noise doesn't spread. Are we creating a good atmosphere at that end for the kids in the upper to join in with? Yes. NSL lot aren't getting paranoid pal, just getting a bit fed up doing a lot of work to see complaints that we're not doing enough. We're enjoying ourselves along with the people who come in, that's all we're in there to do. As I said in theory I'm in full support of your idea but I genuinely think, ultimately the plan will fail due to the stadium design. People are merely expressing an opinion on what they see happening. Opinions are fine and feedback more than appreciated, and I'm not saying you're the one criticising on this. However, on social media we've received an incredible amount of stick and comments suggesting people want it to fail. That's not being paranoid, that's fact. Why they want it to fail I don't know. So it does get a bit frustrating dealing with all these critics. At the end of the day we're all in this to try boost the atmosphere for everyone. Of course we're doing it because WE want a better atmosphere, but this is hopefully something everyone can benefit from. If I wasn't involved in this I'd be giving it every amount of support I could, because ultimately it has the potential to work. It might not, but the only thing we can do is try.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 14, 2014 23:17:19 GMT 1
As I said in theory I'm in full support of your idea but I genuinely think, ultimately the plan will fail due to the stadium design. People are merely expressing an opinion on what they see happening. Opinions are fine and feedback more than appreciated, and I'm not saying you're the one criticising on this. However, on social media we've received an incredible amount of stick and comments suggesting people want it to fail. That's not being paranoid, that's fact. Why they want it to fail I don't know. So it does get a bit frustrating dealing with all these critics. At the end of the day we're all in this to try boost the atmosphere for everyone. Of course we're doing it because WE want a better atmosphere, but this is hopefully something everyone can benefit from. If I wasn't involved in this I'd be giving it every amount of support I could, because ultimately it has the potential to work. It might not, but the only thing we can do is try. I wasn't aware you had been taking stick elsewhere, so I can now understand why some posters are getting defensive over it. The idea is great but just think you've been lumbered with a turd of a stand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 23:40:08 GMT 1
Opinions are fine and feedback more than appreciated, and I'm not saying you're the one criticising on this. However, on social media we've received an incredible amount of stick and comments suggesting people want it to fail. That's not being paranoid, that's fact. Why they want it to fail I don't know. So it does get a bit frustrating dealing with all these critics. At the end of the day we're all in this to try boost the atmosphere for everyone. Of course we're doing it because WE want a better atmosphere, but this is hopefully something everyone can benefit from. If I wasn't involved in this I'd be giving it every amount of support I could, because ultimately it has the potential to work. It might not, but the only thing we can do is try. I wasn't aware you had been taking stick elsewhere, so I can now understand why some posters are getting defensive over it. The idea is great but just think you've been lumbered with a turd of a stand. Compared to twitter and Facebook, this site is positively pro the NSL, It'll be Reet as soon as we get a win though, just a lot of Pre Matchwinning Tension about at the moment.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 15, 2014 0:10:40 GMT 1
even full I honestly cant see it being a generator of noise.. the acoustics appear to be nil.. with the massed choirs of the valleys in there you probably wouldn't hear much without them all being miked up to amplifiers..
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Post by midlander on Sept 15, 2014 0:14:53 GMT 1
I sit (always have and probably always will) near halfway in the Riverside Lower, so slightly closer to North Stand than South Stand. The North Stand Lower looked really good yesterday - seemed to be more in there, more colour, flags, etc... looked great. From an aesthetic point of view, it's getting better all the time. On the flip side, the noise which comes from there (and I recognise the restrictions with no roof) is minimal - and I think that's the point that some have made when saying that the NSL has actually made the atmosphere at the ground slightly worse, rather than better. The Kilner Bank singing section is half as full as last year and therefore less noise, but the noise from there carries a lot better than from the North Stand - absolutely nothing that you can do about that though.
my main question would be though that you seemed to proclaim yourselves as a group of fans who wanted to make the matchday experience more positive, vibrant and supportive. The main aim seemed to be to create a lot of noise and really get behind the team - but when I look over, I don't see that. I see 600 or so people stood there waiting to be entertained - I don't see 600 folk jumping up and down and trying to will the team on. We can say that there has been little to enthrall us so far at home and whilst that's correct, it seems like you're only going to sing, if there is some entertainment - surely if you are only going to sing when the going is good, then that kind of goes against what you want to achieve. I took in a couple of NY Red Bulls games last season and they have a similarly located 'singing section' to the NSL. They won one game 4-3 and the other was the most boring and lifeless 0-0 I've ever witnessed, but the atmosphere coming from that area of the ground was the same in both games - they never stop. Three or four blokes at the front take it in turns to 'conduct' as it is with ultra groups across Europe - I thought that's what you were trying to achieve? I support the initiative and the time and effort that some of you have put into it (hell, I even own a NSL t-shirt and love it, although I've worn it three times and we've lost all three so it ain't coming out on Tuesday) and I'm not a 'singer' at matches, so I don't want to appear all high and mighty - just a few genuine observations. Hope it improves as I'm sure you all do. Good luck with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 6:17:48 GMT 1
Opinions are fine and feedback more than appreciated, and I'm not saying you're the one criticising on this. However, on social media we've received an incredible amount of stick and comments suggesting people want it to fail. That's not being paranoid, that's fact. Why they want it to fail I don't know. So it does get a bit frustrating dealing with all these critics. At the end of the day we're all in this to try boost the atmosphere for everyone. Of course we're doing it because WE want a better atmosphere, but this is hopefully something everyone can benefit from. If I wasn't involved in this I'd be giving it every amount of support I could, because ultimately it has the potential to work. It might not, but the only thing we can do is try. I wasn't aware you had been taking stick elsewhere, so I can now understand why some posters are getting defensive over it. The idea is great but just think you've been lumbered with a turd of a stand. You'd be amazed how much stick we get. I've had DATM PM from people saying it's a shit idea, we are ruining this club etc. They don't get a response but It wears thin. We aren't getting paranoid Andy, we never started this thread. Those that go in the NSL are having a good time, if the Kilner bank is quieter maybe the fans who sit in there need to do a bit more to make the Kilner bank louder an sing more. I don't think some people realise the hard work the NSL lads have put in to get this far, it's by no means the finished article but give it time FFS, we are 3 home league games in. There's no divide being created by the NSL at all, it's more inclusive than any other stand. I have an FML season card but I can't transfer into the Kilner bank, but any other season card can transfer into the FML anytime they want. It's been all over social media saying everyone's welcome. We've held open fans meetings inviting everyone who wants to air their views about stadium atmosphere and match day experience so we can improve the all around feel of match days for everyone. The match day catering is shocking, the ATT and NSL lot are the ones tackling this head on with the club for everyone's sake, not just for those in the FML. Apparently the atmosphere at the Charlton home game was brilliant and the NSL was doing a great job. We've lost to Middlesborough and it's now the NSL fault the atmosphere was poor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 7:35:16 GMT 1
my main question would be though that you seemed to proclaim yourselves as a group of fans who wanted to make the matchday experience more positive, vibrant and supportive. The main aim seemed to be to create a lot of noise and really get behind the team - but when I look over, I don't see that. I see 600 or so people stood there waiting to be entertained - I don't see 600 folk jumping up and down and trying to will the team on. We can say that there has been little to enthrall us so far at home and whilst that's correct, it seems like you're only going to sing, if there is some entertainment - surely if you are only going to sing when the going is good, then that kind of goes against what you want to achieve. I took in a couple of NY Red Bulls games last season and they have a similarly located 'singing section' to the NSL. They won one game 4-3 and the other was the most boring and lifeless 0-0 I've ever witnessed, but the atmosphere coming from that area of the ground was the same in both games - they never stop. Three or four blokes at the front take it in turns to 'conduct' as it is with ultra groups across Europe - I thought that's what you were trying to achieve?. I suppose the "issue" is that NSL is a group of individuals (if we're classing everyone who goes in the NS Lower as being in the NSL), who are all there for their own individual reasons. Some of the folk who have taken the lead with organising things may have "create constant positive noise" as an aim (do they? I've no idea to be honest), but we're all just Town fans at the end of the day, and trying to recreate a bit of that awayday atmosphere at home" means different things to different people. Personally, I like to be in amongst folk who are likely to chant every now and then, where I wont be considered a weirdo for my own occasional outbursts, where I can celebrate a goal in a collective without feeling embarrassed about jumping up and down like a loon with a guttural roar (and some parts of the ground, jumping up to celebrate is out of the ordinary behaviour), preferably from an end on view where its easier to appreciate the tactical aspects of a game. I might join in with the odd "Huddersfield" chant, but mainly I'm watching a game of football in pleasant company, where it seems theres comparatively few idiots, not many folk getting into arguments bordering on fighting about some player, often before hes even kicked a ball...and being able to do so stood up is a bonus, given sitting down for long periods after my Sat morning 5k is a right pain. There are little kids in there, whose parents are bringing them along cos its an "exciting" place to be, some folk are reliving their Cowshed youth but are more restrained now, some folk are there by total accident (there was a group of 4 next to me on Saturday for whom it was their first ever Town game, they bought in there because it was cheapest...they loved the atmosphere and proclaimed they would be back). NSL isnt one thing, its just Town fans.
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Post by Larry David on Sept 15, 2014 7:45:14 GMT 1
I don't get all this. The ATT and the NSL....it's all very life of Brian isn't it? Blame here there and everywhere.
We are all fans, don't matter where you sit as long as you get behind the team...or am I over complicating it a bit?
Yet again a very simple concept being spoilt by totally pointless arguments. It's pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 8:03:28 GMT 1
There's nothing wrong with creating an identity and brand to get behind, though in doing so there will always be people trying to shoot you down. Fuck em.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 15, 2014 8:25:22 GMT 1
There is a need for both the nsl and the kilner bank singing section imo
The nsl is some where you can go if you don't want to be close to the banter between home and away fans or some where you can take younger supporter and have a sing song
The kilner bank singing section is a bit more boisterous where you will find more colourful language being used to express the mood of the match
So for the life of me I can not see why they is any conflict just get to the game and get behind the town utt
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 15, 2014 8:31:54 GMT 1
I wasn't aware you had been taking stick elsewhere, so I can now understand why some posters are getting defensive over it. The idea is great but just think you've been lumbered with a turd of a stand. You'd be amazed how much stick we get. I've had DATM PM from people saying it's a shit idea, we are ruining this club etc. They don't get a response but It wears thin. We aren't getting paranoid Andy, we never started this thread. Those that go in the NSL are having a good time, if the Kilner bank is quieter maybe the fans who sit in there need to do a bit more to make the Kilner bank louder an sing more. I don't think some people realise the hard work the NSL lads have put in to get this far, it's by no means the finished article but give it time FFS, we are 3 home league games in. There's no divide being created by the NSL at all, it's more inclusive than any other stand. I have an FML season card but I can't transfer into the Kilner bank, but any other season card can transfer into the FML anytime they want. It's been all over social media saying everyone's welcome. We've held open fans meetings inviting everyone who wants to air their views about stadium atmosphere and match day experience so we can improve the all around feel of match days for everyone. The match day catering is shocking, the ATT and NSL lot are the ones tackling this head on with the club for everyone's sake, not just for those in the FML. Apparently the atmosphere at the Charlton home game was brilliant and the NSL was doing a great job. We've lost to Middlesborough and it's now the NSL fault the atmosphere was poor. I'll second that about the food it's appalling. They have two small carts with an inexpienced staff of four or five to cater for possibly 2000 fans if full. Nowhere near good enough. They do say an army marches on it's stomach
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Post by Heckyblue on Sept 15, 2014 9:40:20 GMT 1
All this debate about noise levels being diminished because of where people sit is nonsense. 2nd half v Charlton - Town are winning and playing well, the noise from 3 stands is said to be best for a long time.
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Post by hughphamism on Sept 15, 2014 10:24:37 GMT 1
I sit (always have and probably always will) near halfway in the Riverside Lower, so slightly closer to North Stand than South Stand. The North Stand Lower looked really good yesterday - seemed to be more in there, more colour, flags, etc... looked great. From an aesthetic point of view, it's getting better all the time. On the flip side, the noise which comes from there (and I recognise the restrictions with no roof) is minimal - and I think that's the point that some have made when saying that the NSL has actually made the atmosphere at the ground slightly worse, rather than better. The Kilner Bank singing section is half as full as last year and therefore less noise, but the noise from there carries a lot better than from the North Stand - absolutely nothing that you can do about that though. my main question would be though that you seemed to proclaim yourselves as a group of fans who wanted to make the matchday experience more positive, vibrant and supportive. The main aim seemed to be to create a lot of noise and really get behind the team - but when I look over, I don't see that. I see 600 or so people stood there waiting to be entertained - I don't see 600 folk jumping up and down and trying to will the team on. We can say that there has been little to enthrall us so far at home and whilst that's correct, it seems like you're only going to sing, if there is some entertainment - surely if you are only going to sing when the going is good, then that kind of goes against what you want to achieve. I took in a couple of NY Red Bulls games last season and they have a similarly located 'singing section' to the NSL. They won one game 4-3 and the other was the most boring and lifeless 0-0 I've ever witnessed, but the atmosphere coming from that area of the ground was the same in both games - they never stop. Three or four blokes at the front take it in turns to 'conduct' as it is with ultra groups across Europe - I thought that's what you were trying to achieve? I support the initiative and the time and effort that some of you have put into it (hell, I even own a NSL t-shirt and love it, although I've worn it three times and we've lost all three so it ain't coming out on Tuesday) and I'm not a 'singer' at matches, so I don't want to appear all high and mighty - just a few genuine observations. Hope it improves as I'm sure you all do. Good luck with it. Sums up my thoughts sat in a similar position in the Kilner normally. Sat in the left corner of the NS on Saturday and could hardly hear any singing sat in the same stand. If we're to emulate Palace, Stoke etc then the team need the support before we score not after - their fans aren't waiting for something to happen/going quiet when the opposition are in the lead. It's early days I know (& too soon to judge) but it's made the overall atmosphere worse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:25:55 GMT 1
Don't get the criticism at all. If some folk are getting a better match day experience out of going in the nsl and having the occasional sing song what harm can it possibly do? If they're happy then what's to gripe about? Let them get on with it.
For my part, I actually enjoy seeing a few more bodies behind that goal when we are attacking, singing or not.
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Post by andy112 on Sept 15, 2014 10:26:03 GMT 1
I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone can slight any criticism against the NSL.
It's a section of Town fans actively trying to do something about their match day experience. They've brought colour and a bit of noise to that end of the ground; it also seems to be that they're enjoying themselves in the process.
From the criticism I've read, it seems to be that people were expecting to rock up on match day and all of sudden there was going to 12,000 people sat in the FML singing their hearts out, and because the atmosphere near them hasn't improved, they're upset about it.
If standing and singing isn't your thing, don't go in. If it is, feel free to do so. If you don't fancy sitting in there but still want to sing, then do so from your own seat. If you're unhappy about the overall atmosphere, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
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Post by detox on Sept 15, 2014 10:42:30 GMT 1
I normally sit in the Kilner, 1st half near the awayend, 2nd half near the North end...to watch Town attacking. The noise i can here from town fans is the old singing section in the 1st half, and the NSL in the 2nd half. Neither groups can compete with 3,500 away fans in the south stand...but when Town are attacking the north end the players CAN here the noise from the NSL at that end, and that is the point isn't it ?
Add to the fact the stadium looks 100% better with the FML more populated...It will grow,and it needs another 600 or so in there to reach its full potential..I think the capacity is about 1,800 and I hope it starts to achieve that level over the season.
It's a cracking effort by those who have taken time out to do something, and I congratulate them for their not inconsiderable efforts...but the momentum must continue to grow support in there.
The end game is to show the club that enough fans are interested in getting behind the goals and making some noise so that the club can justify making moves to give us the South stand. In previous surveys though the interest by fans in moving to the south stand has been patchy.
The stadium is awful tbh, and the pitch is the wrong way round (imagine Town attacking the Kilner bank end) but we have to live with that and do our best. The more 'pockets' of noisy fans we can have around the stadium though, the better. Even the DGL have a small vociferous group at the south end on occasion, and you can here them when they get going.
It's early days, more work is needed, new initiatives to keep the momentum going...I for one totally support this and the doom merchants are failing to understand the real issues here.
So to those putting in the effort for the NSL, keep up the momentum because I think you are doing a cracking job ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:46:16 GMT 1
I don't buy into this acoustics thing. It's an excuse IMO. I remember standing in the cowshed and hearing the away fans make noise without a roof, so there's no reason why a noise can't be made in the FML.
The NSL will have the same problem as the LBL, Cowshed Loyal and Singing Section - not enough people are willing to open their mouths at home games and make the noise. But I appreciate and commend the efforts of those who do do it and try make the difference. It's just a shame there's not another 1,000 of you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:16:08 GMT 1
I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone can slight any criticism against the NSL. It's a section of Town fans actively trying to do something about their match day experience. They've brought colour and a bit of noise to that end of the ground; it also seems to be that they're enjoying themselves in the process. From the criticism I've read, it seems to be that people were expecting to rock up on match day and all of sudden there was going to 12,000 people sat in the FML singing their hearts out, and because the atmosphere near them hasn't improved, they're upset about it. If standing and singing isn't your thing, don't go in. If it is, feel free to do so. If you don't fancy sitting in there but still want to sing, then do so from your own seat. If you're unhappy about the overall atmosphere, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! I think some of the criticism stems from a "whilst not actively noisy myself, I like to sit near noisy folk so it feels like Im at a football game, and some of them noisy folk who were near me have maybe gone to the NSL therefore my own personal match day experience is not as good, and I dont want to move seats". Its a fair issue I think, although I'm not convinced it actually exists in reality, I think people are identifying the poor performances over the last 6 months, which makes the whole crowd more muted, and going, "whats changed......some noisy folk have moved....boo to them". But...theres maybe 200 folk in the NSL who are actively joining in, with noise started by maybe 3 or 4 fearless souls who are brave enough to start a song and dont mind getting left hanging...And I bet a decent proportion of those 200 were in the FML already, or came from areas that arent called "the Kilner Singing Section". So...assuming it has (otherwise people wouldnt be complaining) declined, then WHY has it? Surely its nothing more than the "choir masters" in the Kilner Singing Section suffering the same malaise as everyone else because of the football on offer, along with what seemed to be ongoing and repeated negative attitude from folk who "wouldnt consider theirselves part of the Kilner Singing Section but are likely moaning theyve gone quiet now" saying theyre all chavs, sing constant anti Leeds stuff rather than getting behind the team, and the drummer is annoying, and theyre antagonistic to stewards etc. It seems like the lads in the Kilner Singing Section just need a bit of reinvigoration, maybe a get together of "village elders" between NSL and KSS might be productive, come up with some ideas for working together in order to get the rest of the ground more likely to join in perhaps??? Or...ignoring all the comments above that i actually stand by, how about we use the ridiculous point that seems to get aimed at the NSL....since the Kilner Singing Section obviously isnt working, maybe it should be shut down, as its sucking atmosphere from the rest of the ground that would be rocking like a Status Quo concert if it wasnt for the rubbishness of the fans in that corner?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:41:07 GMT 1
As other people have pointed out, this isn't going to work if Town fans continue to be reactive, waiting for something to happen before they make some noise. You can't create a 'proper' home end without active support.
Hopefully that will come with time, but there were a number of occasions on Saturday when it was like a library for ten minutes or so. If you're losing 1-0, surely the point is to make a racket and encourage your team, not wait for them to score a goal? Maybe we need some German style 'chant leaders' at the front for a few games just to keep things bouncing?
That said, I think the NSL is the best thing to happen at Town in a long while. It just needs a few months to gain momentum.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:47:35 GMT 1
As other people have pointed out, this isn't going to work if Town fans continue to be reactive, waiting for something to happen before they make some noise. You can't create a 'proper' home end without active support. Hopefully that will come with time, but there were a number of occasions on Saturday when it was like a library for ten minutes or so. If you're losing 1-0, surely the point is to make a racket and encourage your team, not wait for them to score a goal? Maybe we need some German style 'chant leaders' at the front for a few games just to keep things bouncing? That said, I think the NSL is the best thing to happen at Town in a long while. It just needs a few months to gain momentum. But. Even if its reactive, and quiet for long periods, surely its STILL an improvement and will have "worked"? It was quieter for longer periods, and emptier last season. The atmosphere has already improved as a result of the handful of lads putting the effort in, its just a shame there seemingly arent other fans like them trying to improve the match day experience where they want to sit elsewhere in the stadium.
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