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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 22:41:27 GMT 1
Wells doesn't get chances? he's missed a fair few. Yes he works his socks off but for what? what does he actually do once he's got the ball? a lot of the time lose it.Yes he gets shit service a lot of the time but we make him out to be a class act when in fact he's an average championship striker and misses a LOT of chances.the ONLY game I have been impressed has been Barnsley But, we mustn't get you wrong, you say, 'cos you 'like him'?
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Post by Amigo on Sept 14, 2014 22:41:45 GMT 1
I don't know if you'd been drinking when you started this thread and now feel like you need to back it up but you're talking rubbish. His scoring record is nothing special? 4 in 7 this season, 22 in 43 last season, 26 in 54 the season before, it's not bad is it? When we signed him I think most of us thought he was just going to be a "fox in the box" type striker, he isn't though. There is more to his game than that, he works his knackers off non-stop and his link up play when the ball is actually played in to his feet is good. His performance against Barnsley last season was absolutely brilliant and showed how well he can play even when he's not scoring when the ball is played to him to feet. What he is struggling with is a long ball humped up in his general direction whilst he challenges with someone at least half a foot taller than him with no support around him. He does look frustrated at times at the moment, I don't really blame him because he's chasing a lost cause 90% of the time but he's still plugging away. Totally agree with OP. Slyman - you quote his goal scoring stats so I will too. He has scored 6 league goals in his last 26 appearances - not even 1 in every 4 games though the team has scored 29 goals in that time. If I try to compare him with a similar type of player, what about Gayle at Palace who came from a lower division team. Who would you rather have playing up front for Town I'd desperately like Wells to rediscover his 'mojo' but at the moment he is not cutting the mustard. Good strikers make things happen out of nothing, they are alert for every throw-in, a quick free kick, a defensive slip and they worry the hell out of defenders even when they are not at their best. Wells hasn't done any of these things for some time yet other players get crucified on here despite contributing far more to the team even though they have less ability than Wells. Dwight Gayle is an £8m Premier League striker, Nahki Wells cost just over £1m. I've just noticed you've been having a pop at Wells's work rate in a different thread which is ridiculous when you've praised Stead for the same thing, when Stead came on he should've been dropping in and linking with the midfield but he was nowhere to be seen and the gap between midfield and attack was quite alarming. I also notice you've only gone back 26 league games but have ignored his first 2 games he played for us when he scored in both (as well as his hat trick in the cup) because presumably your argument wouldn't look as good? He's actually got 8 in 28 league games, the team has scored 32 goals in that time so he has a quarter of them which is about what you'd expect from a good striker.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Sept 14, 2014 22:53:43 GMT 1
Wells doesn't get chances? he's missed a fair few. Yes he works his socks off but for what? what does he actually do once he's got the ball? a lot of the time lose it.Yes he gets shit service a lot of the time but we make him out to be a class act when in fact he's an average championship striker and misses a LOT of chances.the ONLY game I have been impressed has been Barnsley But, we mustn't get you wrong, you say, 'cos you 'like him'? he's okay yes, am I not allowed to like players who play for the team I support? doesnt mean I think he's good? but I am ever so sorry
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 14, 2014 23:34:11 GMT 1
I like him don't get me wrong I just think most town fans make him out to be 10x better than he actually is. His goal scoring record is nothing special either. He's 24 so I expect he'll get better but for now he's an average championship striker Get him buzzing around a Christ Martin or Assombalonga type player and he will be a 25 goal a season man. He can't do their type of job though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 0:00:15 GMT 1
But, we mustn't get you wrong, you say, 'cos you 'like him'? he's okay yes, am I not allowed to like players who play for the team I support? doesnt mean I think he's good? but I am ever so sorry You say you like him but then you say you don't think he's any good. What a mass of contradictions you are! But say what you like, don't let me stop you. I just find your statements on the matter a bit risible, which is my prerogative.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 15, 2014 0:26:06 GMT 1
its difficult to comprehend how as a team we have significantly failed to get wells in on goal, one on one. it was his forte and he is well suited to it.. we just never seem to have anyone committing their defenders and being far enough up the pitch to just slide him in..
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Post by Skint Terriers on Sept 15, 2014 0:51:26 GMT 1
but 90% of strikers in the football league will score a 1 on 1 what's so special about when Wells does it?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 15, 2014 1:45:40 GMT 1
think you missed the point of the post..wells is sharp over the first few yards and scored lots of this type of goal, playing elsewhere..
we on the other hand don't ever seem to give him that type of opportunity..
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Post by Amigo on Sept 15, 2014 6:25:01 GMT 1
but 90% of strikers in the football league will score a 1 on 1 what's so special about when Wells does it? Absolute rubbish. Very few actually convert consistently 1 on 1, I think you've been watching too much Premier League football. Vaughan, as an easy example for you isn't that good at them.
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 15, 2014 7:38:02 GMT 1
Agree that 1 on 1 not so easy. You do say that I am selective with stats but you quote goals scored 1 or 2 divisions lower I said on another post that even though he often had the ball at his feet on Sat he constantly gave it away. He simply isn't playing well at the moment. I am as keen as anyone for him to do the business but he is in poor form
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Post by Amigo on Sept 15, 2014 8:35:10 GMT 1
Agree that 1 on 1 not so easy. You do say that I am selective with stats but you quote goals scored 1 or 2 divisions lower I said on another post that even though he often had the ball at his feet on Sat he constantly gave it away. He simply isn't playing well at the moment. I am as keen as anyone for him to do the business but he is in poor form I've quoted his Championship stats on this page?
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Post by huddstownonly on Sept 15, 2014 8:53:41 GMT 1
Thought the main problem for him on Saturday was the fact he spent most of the time on the wing in the first half and when Stead came on he got little of the ball as Stead failed to beat the defence for the continual high ball and the ball came back in our half. Wells could be ok if used correctly and to his strengths. As for Stead - when he jumps he crouches so loses any height and rarely wins a header so long high balls for him to flick on etc are a waste of time.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 15, 2014 9:00:32 GMT 1
I kind of agree with the OP that he is one of those players who is over-rated to a certain degree on here going by what hes actually done so far in a Town shirt. We have players who are criticised no matter what they do and then we have players like Wells who seem beyond any criticism.
Think its fair to say we aren't playing a game that is likely to get the best out of him and the service he gets isn't great BUT he does get the ball and doesn't do anything with it a lot of the time. Can't fault his work rate though and its that thats winning him a lot of friends more than what hes actually doing in terms of goals, hold up play, assists etc
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Post by Amigo on Sept 15, 2014 9:37:42 GMT 1
I kind of agree with the OP that he is one of those players who is over-rated to a certain degree on here going by what hes actually done so far in a Town shirt. We have players who are criticised no matter what they do and then we have players like Wells who seem beyond any criticism. Think its fair to say we aren't playing a game that is likely to get the best out of him and the service he gets isn't great BUT he does get the ball and doesn't do anything with it a lot of the time. Can't fault his work rate though and its that thats winning him a lot of friends more than what hes actually doing in terms of goals, hold up play, assists etc I'd agree with that. I'll back him at the moment because despite what some seem to think he does work his knackers off chasing balls, closing down and what must be by now the sole destroying task of making runs knowing your never going to get the ball you want. He's not a hold up player, the problem he has is when he gets the ball there's nobody near him to link with. If he had wingers and a man up with him or just off him to link with (this is what disappointed me with Stead he never seemed available) we'd see a different player in my opinion but he isn't going to hold it up while players run 30 yards to catch up to him.
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Post by Hank Hill on Sept 15, 2014 9:46:28 GMT 1
I think we will just have to see what we get in the loan window. Plus, Powell can sign someone in January if needed.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Sept 15, 2014 9:59:01 GMT 1
Hi ball over the top for Vaughan's one on one chance on Saturday was great, and what we wanted was it to be the other way round - him on the end of it.
We need to supply him - can't remember him having a clear chance against Boro, despite the ground he covered. Under Robins we often played too deep, with the midfield too close to the back 4 and too much fannying on the ball. On Saturday the gaps between defence and midfield, and then the midfield and the front pair were too big, our midfield was much too narrow to give him the service we need. His goals may be the difference between staying up this year....
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Sept 15, 2014 10:56:59 GMT 1
How come we have a team that does 2 decent passes to a forward all game and its the forward who gets the blame!!!! If Wells had been the one to get the pull down then as he has a better first touch it could easily have been 1-0 and a very different game. He spent the rest of the game trying to get onto the ball with massive defenders around him with team mates who think they can dink the ball up and he will do something magical or slowly work the ball up and be surprised when the opposition work out our plans!
If we can play quick passing football on the floor then I am certain Wells will get plenty of goals.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 15, 2014 19:14:10 GMT 1
You've got to feel for Nakhi, since he came to the club he hasn't had a strike partner of any note with Vaughan out injured pretty much the whole time he's been here. Often left to feed on scraps with no real service, just hopeful punts over the top or wayward crosses to work with.. Let's be honest, the team has been terrible since he came, but it's certainly not been his fault.. If things carry on this way i wouldn't blame him if he pushed for a move in January.. We need to bring in a decent championship striker for him to play off & give him some real support in the final third ASAP.. Nakhi just isn't built to be a loan front man, although he doesn't do a bad job, we're not utilising him properly & basically stunting his progress.. Things need to change & quickly because he can make all the difference in this league.
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 15, 2014 21:45:17 GMT 1
I kind of agree with the OP that he is one of those players who is over-rated to a certain degree on here going by what hes actually done so far in a Town shirt. We have players who are criticised no matter what they do and then we have players like Wells who seem beyond any criticism. Think its fair to say we aren't playing a game that is likely to get the best out of him and the service he gets isn't great BUT he does get the ball and doesn't do anything with it a lot of the time. Can't fault his work rate though and its that thats winning him a lot of friends more than what hes actually doing in terms of goals, hold up play, assists etc I have to say that I agree with pretty much every sentence in this post!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 22:13:36 GMT 1
Probably going to get hate for this but fuck it. Think he's over rated massively by us. 'he just need's a big man to play off' bollocks.. that's just defending him because of the price we paid. I'm usually positive but since signing he hasn't exactly done much Sorry but You cannot judge this lad in a team who isolates him and plays hoof football He must hate playing for Huddersfield atm and I dont blame him one little bit.
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Post by thehitcher on Sept 15, 2014 22:27:43 GMT 1
Why can't we just play a through ball to him like watford do with Deeney and Forestfirei Having seen them only 2 wks ago they dont do that,,,,thats why. Forestieri comes short and feeds runners from midfield - we dont have any. Deeney is simply a class apart - think vaughan with more physical power and the ability to stay on the pitch! Murdered wallace and lynch with sheer power and no little ability.......wells is a finisher who feeds off service and a partner....we give him little of the former and his partners a permanent sick note! Deeney has always impressed me. I remember him destroying us when he was at Walsall, and they were down to ten men. I thought at the time we should make a move for him.
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Post by alwayswright on Sept 15, 2014 22:36:05 GMT 1
On the odd occasions when we do manage to give him a pass he can control, the build up is so slow that he inevitably has at least 3 defenders around him and zero support from the rest of the team. He would need to be a George Best not a goal poacher/scorer to make progress from this situation.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 15, 2014 22:40:28 GMT 1
I kind of agree with the OP that he is one of those players who is over-rated to a certain degree on here going by what hes actually done so far in a Town shirt. We have players who are criticised no matter what they do and then we have players like Wells who seem beyond any criticism. Think its fair to say we aren't playing a game that is likely to get the best out of him and the service he gets isn't great BUT he does get the ball and doesn't do anything with it a lot of the time. Can't fault his work rate though and its that thats winning him a lot of friends more than what hes actually doing in terms of goals, hold up play, assists etc He can't do much with it though cap'n......the lack of support from midfield last season was embarrassing! I thought we had solved the problem but on sat it was the same problem......wells is far from beyond criticism and at times has been poor, but it's hardly surprising given he has had no partner of note since he came and the service has bordered on pathetic!
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 15, 2014 23:07:12 GMT 1
can't disagree with any of that, but I also think a striker at this level has to be able to cope with much less service than we (and wells) were used to seeing in League 1. I think he works very hard and at times hes shown genuine quality. But also at times hes looked pretty poor. Ive seen him have games that other players ( ward or stead for example) would be slated for on here, but you never hear a word against Wells. Suppose thats where my feeling that hes been a bit over-rated so far comes from. But hes the best that we have and played to his strengths ( put in behind the defence) could be a prolific striker in the championship.
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Post by Giggity on Sept 16, 2014 0:39:43 GMT 1
He's not a bad player but is extremely overrated on here considering that he is fairly limited in his game play.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Sept 27, 2014 18:52:33 GMT 1
hehe
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Post by rubicon on Sept 27, 2014 19:00:32 GMT 1
Quite so, some folks don't know quality when they see it, and I don't just mean the two goals. Guy was hacked down more times than enough today, which says more about his talent than some folks on here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 19:14:59 GMT 1
Played well today but has been shit of late so deserved done criticism
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Post by Stewpot on Sept 27, 2014 19:37:05 GMT 1
It`s a funny old game isn`t it ? How many clubs have been dead and buried, then in comes a new man, a couple of wins ( ok one ) and the club has a completely different buzz about the place. Ability plays a part, but renewed confidence can work wonders for a squad.
I know CP hasn`t got off to the best possible start, but at least he has his first victory. Early days, but with the addition of Grant Holt feeling a lot more upbeat than 2 days ago. UTT !!
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 31, 2014 13:33:48 GMT 1
Viewing claret and wanker, Bradford fans actually think they could get Nahki back on loan! !
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