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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 15, 2014 11:41:51 GMT 1
Your ignoring the words 'from my recollection' , or in other words times where IVE seen it happen. I wasn't at that forest game. But I am at every home game and 6 or 7 aways a season, so I can't believe it was anything like such a regular occurance he deserved the tag 'can't defend'.
And smithies did only cost us 1 goal that season with a mistake, and i saw all the goals either live or on tv. Thats not a ludicrous statement, its just what happened.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 15, 2014 17:17:14 GMT 1
Hunt us being made to look better than ever because he plays for a side that looks likely will win the league this season! If he was bombing down the wings for us like that we'd concede a shit load of goals! Just look at how bad he was at Barnsley last season! They had an awful defense and will have by the looks of things!
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 15, 2014 17:53:11 GMT 1
Isn't that a bit like picking out a Jordan Rhodes miss in a certain game to come to the conclusion he couldn't finish? The wigan game was one example amongst ONE where he was consistantly bettered by his winger from my recollection. My over-riding memory is of a lad who was generally difficult to get past despite his youth and slight frame. Yes, there'll be incidents where a cross came in from his side that he didn't manage to block, but Id like to know a full back at any level who you can't say that about. I think a lot of it is down to Town fans historically liking a gung ho tackler in defence.
Hunt did a lot of good defensive work staying on his feet, preventing the attacker from getting the ball inside, and then working collectively (with Ward amongst others) to nick the ball or force the mistake. That he wasnt lunging in, meant we often had nice little triangles to recover the ball and safely get it clear. Not much wrong with him defensively, other than a tendency to sometimes get caught wrong side of the wide attacker. No its not. One particular passage of away games Peterborough followed by Millwall away he was dreadful. Weak tackling, poor positioning, with a good deal of petulance thrown in. Cost us quite a few of the goals we conceded in those games for all sorts of different reasons. I liked Hunt but he was a poor defender compared to Peltier, but obviously much better going forward.
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 15, 2014 21:25:24 GMT 1
Agreed - great to watch going forward. Particularly remember a wonderful cameo as a sub v Posh in April 2011 when he won a pen (Roberts missed) and scored a nice goal. Against that is the worst individual display that I have ever witnessed by a Town player ( in 44 seasons of watching ) at Carlisle around Easter 2012. He was destroyed by that well known top class international Francois Zoko ( in reality a journeyman with spells in France, Turkey, Notts Co and Stevenage) from minute 1 throughout -it was cruel of Grayson to leave him on. Bizarrely, neither Carlisle goal came as a result of this inept display - the first was a good move down our left and the winner a dreadful error by our old friend Alex Smithies ( I'm not a big Smithies critic but it was a shocker in 5th minute of stoppage time). defensively, give me Smith or Peltier every time.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 6, 2014 10:36:18 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 6, 2014 10:50:37 GMT 1
WE might get hit with the same thing with Holt. Player is out of favour at club A and available at £x... goes on loan to club B and does very well so club B wants to make in permanent.....club A know this so increase value of player they don't even want.
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Oct 6, 2014 11:14:31 GMT 1
So, basically, in the transfer window Palace had agreed a fee to sell the player. Then, either Jack Hunt was too greedy and asked for too much money from Forest - OR, Forest tried to get Hunt on the cheap by not offering enough in wages. Either way, Palace had AGREED to sell at THAT time, probably had their own targets to bring in during the window with the Hunt money... Then, as Forest and Hunt could not sort it out between themselves, Palace will have missed out on their targets. Now, as the mini financial squabble has been sorted between Forest and Hunt - it is ok to go back to Palace (who were f*ck*d about earlier) and EXPECT them to say, 'Yeah, no problems, glad you are now sort between yourselves. How can we help you?' No, quite rightly were told to 'DO ONE!'.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 6, 2014 11:26:48 GMT 1
So, basically, in the transfer window Palace had agreed a fee to sell the player. Then, either Jack Hunt was too greedy and asked for too much money from Forest - OR, Forest tried to get Hunt on the cheap by not offering enough in wages. Either way, Palace had AGREED to sell at THAT time, probably had their own targets to bring in during the window with the Hunt money... Then, as Forest and Hunt could not sort it out between themselves, Palace will have missed out on their targets. Now, as the mini financial squabble has been sorted between Forest and Hunt - it is ok to go back to Palace (who were f*ck*d about earlier) and EXPECT them to say, 'Yeah, no problems, glad you are now sort between yourselves. How can we help you?' No, quite rightly were told to 'DO ONE!'. I think FFP has finally hit home at Forest
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Post by royrace on Oct 6, 2014 12:36:21 GMT 1
So, basically, in the transfer window Palace had agreed a fee to sell the player. Then, either Jack Hunt was too greedy and asked for too much money from Forest - OR, Forest tried to get Hunt on the cheap by not offering enough in wages. Either way, Palace had AGREED to sell at THAT time, probably had their own targets to bring in during the window with the Hunt money... Then, as Forest and Hunt could not sort it out between themselves, Palace will have missed out on their targets. Now, as the mini financial squabble has been sorted between Forest and Hunt - it is ok to go back to Palace (who were f*ck*d about earlier) and EXPECT them to say, 'Yeah, no problems, glad you are now sort between yourselves. How can we help you?' No, quite rightly were told to 'DO ONE!'. Sure does look like the greed of the player and/or agent have caused this deal to fall through. Probably serves em right.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 6, 2014 16:47:11 GMT 1
Hunt had a torrid time against McManaman in that game. It was a steep learning curve for him against a player who was close to an england call up at the time. But you can't judge him on one game. defensively hed improved no end from when he first got into the team, yet this 'can't defend' tag never budged. Covered further on mate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 17:05:37 GMT 1
Hunt was never desperately poor defensively. Its one of those things people say almost like its fashionable but in reality its total bollocks. he probably had a poor game defensively when he first broke through and then that was that- no amount of progress after that was going to change peoples mind. people just trotted it out- "Oh yes, good going forward but can't defend." Full backs who can't defend aren't often bought for £2m and then snapped up by managers like pearce who might know a thing or two about the position! No idea what went on between him and the club, but its a shame he isn't still here because he was quality and a major attacking weapon and assist maker. peltier is a steady full back but the worst part of his game by a long way was his crossing. Would get forward into good positions but the cross would inevitably be woeful. Hmm I seem to remember Calumn McManaman running rings around him - HTAFC 1 Wigan 4 I also remember Danns not tracking their LB and Hunt having to cover two men all game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 17:28:17 GMT 1
Hunt was never desperately poor defensively. Its one of those things people say almost like its fashionable but in reality its total bollocks. he probably had a poor game defensively when he first broke through and then that was that- no amount of progress after that was going to change peoples mind. people just trotted it out- "Oh yes, good going forward but can't defend." Full backs who can't defend aren't often bought for £2m and then snapped up by managers like pearce who might know a thing or two about the position! No idea what went on between him and the club, but its a shame he isn't still here because he was quality and a major attacking weapon and assist maker. peltier is a steady full back but the worst part of his game by a long way was his crossing. Would get forward into good positions but the cross would inevitably be woeful. Hmm I seem to remember Calumn McManaman running rings around him - HTAFC 1 Wigan 4 Yes because that was the only game Hunt eer played for us before getting his £2m move....
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 6, 2014 18:27:42 GMT 1
Hmm I seem to remember Calumn McManaman running rings around him - HTAFC 1 Wigan 4 I also remember Danns not tracking their LB and Hunt having to cover two men all game. I also remember the poor performances at Peterborough and Millwall in the space of a few days where I think he was directly responsible for three of their goals - before he got sent off. Its a team game as you say though and there are always related passages of play leading up to goals scored/mistakes made. He's not the worst we have had defensively but certainly among the best I've seen going forward. Bet CP would tell him not to cross the half way line though (not till after Christmas anyway).
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Post by ritchie on Oct 6, 2014 20:08:55 GMT 1
Why do palace want to take a look/keep him/or forest want to buy him when he was not good enough for htfc?
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Post by terrierfortythree on Oct 6, 2014 22:10:26 GMT 1
WE might get hit with the same thing with Holt. Player is out of favour at club A and available at £x... goes on loan to club B and does very well so club B wants to make in permanent.....club A know this so increase value of player they don't even want. Can't really see a fee being involved personally with his wages apparently pushing 30k a week, Wigan will be glad to get him off the bill as they apparently can't compete with the big boys in the league in terms of spending power laughable really www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28865303 Or they may in fact choose to retain him should he continue his form for us
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Oct 7, 2014 17:29:56 GMT 1
[/quote]Hmm I seem to remember Calumn McManaman running rings around him - HTAFC 1 Wigan 4[/quote] I remember being worried about it at the time, then the FA Cup final happened and Zabaleta got the exact same treatment off him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 18:22:52 GMT 1
WE might get hit with the same thing with Holt. Player is out of favour at club A and available at £x... goes on loan to club B and does very well so club B wants to make in permanent.....club A know this so increase value of player they don't even want. Hopefully. For all the impact he's having, Grant Holt is *not* a desirable long term solution. He's a player who would command a fee far in excess of what he brings, with age likely to catch up on him at any point soon. That's how we ended up with Luke Beckett. We need a PROPER replacement for Vaughan who we expect to be a mainstay of the team for 4 years / until a big offer comes in. Sign Grant Holt and we'll be starting the hunt again in 12 months.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 7, 2014 20:00:59 GMT 1
yeah maybe. Think hes got a couple of years in him yet though. Suppose it depends on what fee theyre after. If its anything like the £2m they paid for him then it won't happen thats for sure.
Most likely though is Whelan thinks why his team are doing so badly whilst a guy theyve spent a fortune on is starring at one of their rivals, and asks the german why he isn't in THEIR side.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 7, 2014 20:23:16 GMT 1
WE might get hit with the same thing with Holt. Player is out of favour at club A and available at £x... goes on loan to club B and does very well so club B wants to make in permanent.....club A know this so increase value of player they don't even want. Shades of Peter Butler.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 7, 2014 21:56:38 GMT 1
Why do palace want to take a look/keep him/or forest want to buy him when he was not good enough for htfc? That's a fair point. I was surprised when Palace took him in the first place as they had a capable right back in Ward. I guess they believe his excellence going forward is more important than his deficiencies going backwards. Pearce was more than a decent fullback both defensively and attacking and you would have to guess that if he rates Hunt then his opinion carries a bit of weight and he might improve him defensively! Who knows what Warnock thinks!
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Post by ritchie on Oct 8, 2014 0:24:46 GMT 1
Why do palace want to take a look/keep him/or forest want to buy him when he was not good enough for htfc? That's a fair point. I was surprised when Palace took him in the first place as they had a capable right back in Ward. I guess they believe his excellence going forward is more important than his deficiencies going backwards. Pearce was more than a decent fullback both defensively and attacking and you would have to guess that if he rates Hunt then his opinion carries a bit of weight and he might improve him defensively! Who knows what Warnock thinks! my post was tongue in cheek
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 0:48:16 GMT 1
Hunt could 15 assists this year for the likes of assombolonga et al.
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Post by royrace on Oct 9, 2014 22:15:35 GMT 1
Having seen him play for Forest today we really miss his crosses. Some cracking balls put in. His assists were top notch, most on here would rather have a Dixon who probably has one assist if he's lucky whole time he's been here. At least he doesn't call fans helmets though so he's ok. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by royrace on Oct 9, 2014 22:18:06 GMT 1
Why do palace want to take a look/keep him/or forest want to buy him when he was not good enough for htfc? It's amazing isn't it, it's almost like most fans on here are thick as pig shit and know fuck all about footy. Surely it can't be that simple........can it? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Novakaine on Oct 10, 2014 15:16:15 GMT 1
Having seen him play for Forest today we really miss his crosses. Some cracking balls put in. His assists were top notch, most on here would rather have a Dixon who probably has one assist if he's lucky whole time he's been here. At least he doesn't call fans helmets though so he's ok. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Dixon got 2 assists in one game on Monday. And would have had more if our strikers weren't so bab. He was the best player on the pitch.
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Post by royrace on Oct 10, 2014 15:31:22 GMT 1
His assists were top notch, most on here would rather have a Dixon who probably has one assist if he's lucky whole time he's been here. At least he doesn't call fans helmets though so he's ok. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Dixon got 2 assists in one game on Monday. And would have had more if our strikers weren't so bab. He was the best player on the pitch. Found his level? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Novakaine on Oct 11, 2014 9:52:50 GMT 1
Dixon got 2 assists in one game on Monday. And would have had more if our strikers weren't so bab. He was the best player on the pitch. Found his level? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards I would suggest a fullback assisting 2 of our 3 goals and being the best player on the pitch (the majority of which were from the first team squad) exceeds this level.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 31, 2014 12:31:19 GMT 1
Hope he gets a good booing Saturday!
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Post by royrace on Oct 31, 2014 13:27:09 GMT 1
Hope he gets a good booing Saturday! Hope he gets a deserved good reception as an academy lad who starred for us, helped us get promoted then made us £2M. Then I hope he gets torn to shreds all afternoon by Bunny and Scanz. Only #helmets will boo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 15:00:21 GMT 1
Class player Hunt. Brilliant for Town often making something happen in a game when we lacked creativity. Wasn't surprised a prem team bought him for £2M, not surprised he's doing great at Forest. Yeah he pushed for a move towards the end big deal- it's a short career players want to maximise their earnings shock horror.
Met him a few times and he was a decent lad. I'll give him a clap tomorrow.
We need to make sure bunn/Scannell track his runs or he can hurt us.
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