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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 20, 2014 17:40:40 GMT 1
No worrys, CP is just on now.
God some of those players are gutless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 17:42:47 GMT 1
Yeah that's right! POWELL OUT! Our squad is poor. We have sold our best players over the past 3 seasons and haven't replaced them with players of a comparable quality. Our squad is a bottom six squad. Not true at all, this squad is more than capable of achieving a mid table finish, (with the addition of a striker of course) I completely disagree with you. However, if/when this squad achieves a mid table finish then I will admit I got it wrong.
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Post by huddersfc on Sept 20, 2014 17:42:53 GMT 1
If you would play Stead over anyone up front then I give in, did you see his cameo today and his miss? have you seen him while he has been a town player for the last season or so? yep... a shot on goal (well over). my point is physicality. playing wells up front on his own is suicide tactics. and that was my original point in this thread. You cant isolate him on his own like we are doing, then suddenly start ripping into him saying he is shite
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Post by terraceterrier on Sept 20, 2014 17:43:02 GMT 1
Clearly needs to play with a partner, so putting him in a 433 formation is pointless. The problem is that we don't have anyone good enough to play alongside him. Bunn ,round pegs and all that..play him down the middle and he will score goals
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Post by Stewpot on Sept 20, 2014 17:43:31 GMT 1
Ok, what is really going on ?
I don`t know, not my monkeys, not my circus.
True, players don`t step out intending to fail.
However, could you honestly say that about the Chairman and the board of directors ?
The total ineptitude blatantly obvious from well before the end of last season, through all the shenanigans going into this campaign, it could make one wonder if they have already pledged themselves to being League 1 competitors come next season ?
I hope not, but even to an outsider looking in as my Pompey mate does often, even he says at least his club was on it`s knees, so no surprise to him where they are now. However he is completely baffled as to how Huddersfield Town have come to this in a relatively short period of time. And so am I.
Not looking good.
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Post by htfcterrier23 on Sept 20, 2014 17:44:03 GMT 1
He can be good enough and has shown so in the past. But today? Agree completely. Much more needed from the position. Whether that is Wells or another we need more from the position. Nahki can do more – not today but he has in the past - but we need another option. Stead is not viable at this level.
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Post by neilterrier on Sept 20, 2014 17:46:21 GMT 1
Wells may have been poor but anyone who regularly watches us will tell you that we have not had a forward capable of winning a header or of holding the ball since Boothy retired - Wells need this support as would any small striker. Especially as our new tactics seem to be hoofing the ball up front. What happened to the passing game revolution that was to be a feature throughout the club Dean ?
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Post by terraceterrier on Sept 20, 2014 17:47:38 GMT 1
The players hardly put a challenge in never mind give a freekick away , dont think there was a yellow card....explain all this....its the players imo and CP needs to tell the full backs to overlap and get forward
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Post by north west terrier on Sept 20, 2014 17:50:42 GMT 1
This is a first time post and not a knee jerk reaction to todays result but a balanced view over the last few years of seeing town go backwards. I have followed Town over 30 years through good, bad and bloody awful. My blame lies squarely at the door of Dean Hoyle and the Directors of Huddersfield. Before the Dean Hoyle is god brigade please hear me out as this is not a personal attack but a look at his failures during his reign. 1) A string of poor appointments for manager all of the same mould. Ex players who are trying to cut there teeth in management but have not been proven at this level of the game. Clark, Grayson, Robins and now Powell were managers learning there trade. I appreciate Grayson had a bit more experience but is still a relatively young manager. Mark Lillis has been around the game for a long time and knew how to get the players playing but more importantly understood Huddersfield town. What you promised was someone who has been there and done it. Powell took a team out of our league and had one season in the Championship. Hardly experienced. 2) Dean Hoyle likes to be centre of attention - take Powells first meeting at the Canalside. Dean sat smugly dishing information which should be kept behind closed doors. It had a jokey feel but in truth we are not a club in a position to laugh at others. Okay selling Clayton for £1.5m and getting Butterfield for £300k is great business sense. But so is selling a BMW and getting a Ford Focus instead. I would love some of the Middlesborough players in our squad. Infact most teams in our division play with more idea than we do.And did you really mean you would walk away from Town if you got a bit of stick!! Aww hope we didn't bruise your ego!! IF you did then you should have walked away. Someone is always willing to finance a team. Fans pay hard earned money to watch the constant stream of passionless shite on a Saturday. Yet another manager taking up Mick Wadsworth leaning post. Are they chained to it??? Are they not allowed in the technical area as it may damage the grass. 3) Player identification - This is the one that really sticks for me. We signed Robinson who isn't a patch on Dixon and play him. We have two left backs two right backs four centre halfs, 20 midfielders and 1 average championship forward in Wells and James Vaughan who unfortunately is only with us due to his injury problems. Last year when we lost Vaughan (again!!) we sent Stead and Patterson out on loan and relied on Wells and Danny Ward(who it is beyond me gets chance after chance!!). What would have happened if Wells got injured?? This problem s being played out again this season. 1 goal in 3 games under Powell and 3 for the rest of the season is woeful. At this early stage why has this problem not been addressed. 4) The club has created a culture of players who play for themselves not the team, shirt or the badge. Take Clayton, Hunt, Norwood, the first sign of a chance to move they go off the boil until we sell them normally just before the deadline so we cannot replace them. If we do we sign inferior players. 5)Time has come to be clear with the fans - ARE WE ACCEPTING WE CANNOT COMPETE AT THIS LEVEL AND WE ARE AT BEST A LEAGUE 1 CLUB. Thats how it feels to loyal fans who help fund the club albeit not to your level.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 17:51:27 GMT 1
Good enough under the right circumstances, maybe, but no-one can deny his touch is a worry.
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Post by H7 on Sept 20, 2014 17:52:26 GMT 1
when your opposition could literally have not had a goalkeeper and kept a cleansheet (we had 0 shots on target) it needs sorting and fast..
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Post by htfcterrier23 on Sept 20, 2014 17:52:35 GMT 1
Clearly needs to play with a partner, so putting him in a 433 formation is pointless. The problem is that we don't have anyone good enough to play alongside him. Not an issue of formation; his touch has to be better, his finishing has to be better, his decision making has to be better. There seems to be this hindsight induced oscillation between one or two strikers being the way forward. Whoever plays: their touch must be good, their decision making must be good, their finishing must be good. In all those areas Wells was lacking today. I don't hate him as a player – he has exceptional quickness and has shown himself capable in the past – but today he wasn't at the standard we require.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 17:53:33 GMT 1
Yeah that's right! POWELL OUT! Our squad is poor. We have sold our best players over the past 3 seasons and haven't replaced them with players of a comparable quality. Our squad is a bottom six squad. When you play a right back in midfield, a striker on the wing etc and select players like Stead over Bunn, drop Scannell etc, throw in a lack of motivation (even in a derby) and then try and get a team built on a football ethos to play long ball ... is it any wonder we look clueless! The squad is okay and up to the required standard but they are being sent out on a matchday looking and playing like a hungover pub side on a Sunday morning! The days of a flat/rigid formation are long gone, a thing of the past. I would argue that in order to be successful, players in the Championship/Premier League have to be flexible. The players that we have at the club are just not talented or experience enough to perform at this level.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 20, 2014 17:53:47 GMT 1
If you would play Stead over anyone up front then I give in, did you see his cameo today and his miss? have you seen him while he has been a town player for the last season or so? yep... a shot on goal (well over). my point is physicality. playing wells up front on his own is suicide tactics. What physicality does Stead give us, he just bounces off defenders and loses the ball, he doesn't win sod all in the air for his height either Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by htfc1984 on Sept 20, 2014 17:55:01 GMT 1
Every year we seem to be slower and weaker than the rest Then the injury record,well We sign players on top form and turn them into garbage overnight I said something along these lines a few weeks ago.... And got a massive amount of grief... Glad to see im not the only without a a tint of rose in my vision...
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Post by neilterrier on Sept 20, 2014 17:56:50 GMT 1
FFS Get a bloody Striker - we have waited for over a year is our Board blind ?
Spend some bloody money NOW !!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 20, 2014 17:58:14 GMT 1
We were all hoping for the new manager effect to be positive, it's been the opposite. Watched in disbelief today the most spineless performance from all apart from Bunn who was outstanding Wells should be dropped immediately, he offers nothing and was a complete passenger. He has no heart for this club from recent displays and needs time out of the side to get his confidence back. Lillis should be brought back into the first team fold immediately and work along side Powell, otherwise we are down. Bunn outstanding, he was as outstanding as Scannell, both ran at defenders, both produced fuck all. And as for Well not been good enough, how would any fucker know, he hasn't played long enough in a formation right for him to prove that. Some people on here are just clueless.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Sept 20, 2014 17:59:51 GMT 1
Yeah that's right! POWELL OUT! Our squad is poor. We have sold our best players over the past 3 seasons and haven't replaced them with players of a comparable quality. Our squad is a bottom six squad. Not true at all, this squad is more than capable of achieving a mid table finish, (with the addition of a striker of course) Our best first eleven isn't good enough for a mid table finish. Our squad certainly isn't. Added to the fact Vaughan our best player does not look likely to hit any kind of match fitness I'd say we look very much in a relegation battle and predict relegation unless we sign a very talented centre forward to the equivalent of JV's level. I've attended six league and cup games and thought we were the worse team on the pitch for all but one half at Chesterfield. Just simply not good enough players. The first signs were very clear at Elland Road last season 8 months later and we have progressed no further.
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Post by terrierpark on Sept 20, 2014 18:01:02 GMT 1
Thanks for getting the striker in we need for todays important match.
Thanks actually for not bothering over the summer or even last season when it was blindingly obvious we needed one. Thanks for the most lacklustre forward line since Jevons and Parker.
Down to you Deano. Sell 8 million pounds worth of striker and spend a mere fraction on the replacement when it is obvious the area needs strengthening.
How youv'e got some nerve having a pop at the fans for been critical i dont know.
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Post by CTID on Sept 20, 2014 18:02:28 GMT 1
City fan in peace according to Dean Hoyle when you signed Nahki you had watched him for at least 18months if that is/was the case surely your football management team knew his strength was playing off a big target man, either someone has not done their home work or you think you can get a Silk Purse out of a Sows Ear, PS if you think he's as bad as some of you saying send him back he will be welcome as Phil Parkinson realises his strengths.
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Post by ritchie on Sept 20, 2014 18:02:31 GMT 1
Get a grip you clown
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 20, 2014 18:03:35 GMT 1
This is a first time post and not a knee jerk reaction to todays result but a balanced view over the last few years of seeing town go backwards. I have followed Town over 30 years through good, bad and bloody awful. My blame lies squarely at the door of Dean Hoyle and the Directors of Huddersfield. Before the Dean Hoyle is god brigade please hear me out as this is not a personal attack but a look at his failures during his reign. 1) A string of poor appointments for manager all of the same mould. Ex players who are trying to cut there teeth in management but have not been proven at this level of the game. Clark, Grayson, Robins and now Powell were managers learning there trade. I appreciate Grayson had a bit more experience but is still a relatively young manager. Mark Lillis has been around the game for a long time and knew how to get the players playing but more importantly understood Huddersfield town. What you promised was someone who has been there and done it. Powell took a team out of our league and had one season in the Championship. Hardly experienced. 2) Dean Hoyle likes to be centre of attention - take Powells first meeting at the Canalside. Dean sat smugly dishing information which should be kept behind closed doors. It had a jokey feel but in truth we are not a club in a position to laugh at others. Okay selling Clayton for £1.5m and getting Butterfield for £300k is great business sense. But so is selling a BMW and getting a Ford Focus instead. I would love some of the Middlesborough players in our squad. Infact most teams in our division play with more idea than we do.And did you really mean you would walk away from Town if you got a bit of stick!! Aww hope we didn't bruise your ego!! IF you did then you should have walked away. Someone is always willing to finance a team. Fans pay hard earned money to watch the constant stream of passionless shite on a Saturday. Yet another manager taking up Mick Wadsworth leaning post. Are they chained to it??? Are they not allowed in the technical area as it may damage the grass. 3) Player identification - This is the one that really sticks for me. We signed Robinson who isn't a patch on Dixon and play him. We have two left backs two right backs four centre halfs, 20 midfielders and 1 average championship forward in Wells and James Vaughan who unfortunately is only with us due to his injury problems. Last year when we lost Vaughan (again!!) we sent Stead and Patterson out on loan and relied on Wells and Danny Ward(who it is beyond me gets chance after chance!!). What would have happened if Wells got injured?? This problem s being played out again this season. 1 goal in 3 games under Powell and 3 for the rest of the season is woeful. At this early stage why has this problem not been addressed. 4) The club has created a culture of players who play for themselves not the team, shirt or the badge. Take Clayton, Hunt, Norwood, the first sign of a chance to move they go off the boil until we sell them normally just before the deadline so we cannot replace them. If we do we sign inferior players. 5)Time has come to be clear with the fans - ARE WE ACCEPTING WE CANNOT COMPETE AT THIS LEVEL AND WE ARE AT BEST A LEAGUE 1 CLUB. Thats how it feels to loyal fans who help fund the club albeit not to your level. 1) Lillis has a worse record in management than all those you have mentioned and isn't he an ex-player too. 2) If Dean Hoyle was attention seeking then he would be far more in the public eye than he was, I actually think he is quite shy. 3) The players are more than capable in my eyes, Wells was highly rated at the time, nearly all fna sthought we got a bargain at £1.3M particularly when you see what Assomablonga cost. 4) We sell some players for value when we can get it and it is clear they will not re-sign with us Clayton for example. 5) Dean Hoyle has never been anything but honest with fans at these forums if anything too honest about the dealings of the club, you complain about him being the centre of attention and then say he should be honest with us, he has stated numerous times we cannot compete financially with the majority of clubs in this league. That is why he says we do things differently. Do loyal fans lay the blame at the Chairman who has presided over year on year progression in the league standing for the entirity of his helmsmanship? I don't think they do! (this is not a personal attack - Welcome to the board
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Post by terrierpark on Sept 20, 2014 18:04:40 GMT 1
how do i need to get a grip watched it with my own eyes today tons of possession no end product
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 20, 2014 18:05:28 GMT 1
Not looking good is it lads!
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Post by hdee on Sept 20, 2014 18:05:49 GMT 1
cant blame dean hoyle for anything on here he is god in somes eyes
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 20, 2014 18:06:32 GMT 1
Don't say that mate I said he was overrated last week and everyone got a bit sensitive about it I agreed with you last week. Whatever the excuses (and I agree our style does not suit him) he has been dreadful for some time now. Even with the ball at his feet (his strength, you would think) he constantly gives the ball away. He simply offers nothing whatsoever at the moment and Stead is not the answer. However low someone's confidence is, there is no reason why they can't put themselves about and make a nuisance of themselves. We desperately need to scour the loan market for such a striker, even if they are la lower league chaser and harrier or a dirty clumsy physical player. If not, play 4-6-0 with a false number 9 like Spain because we wouldn't offer less up front than we currently do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:07:09 GMT 1
how do i need to get a grip watched it with my own eyes today tons of possession no end product the right 2/3 loan players and we'll be a different side
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 18:07:20 GMT 1
This is a first time post and not a knee jerk reaction to todays result but a balanced view over the last few years of seeing town go backwards. I have followed Town over 30 years through good, bad and bloody awful. My blame lies squarely at the door of Dean Hoyle and the Directors of Huddersfield. Before the Dean Hoyle is god brigade please hear me out as this is not a personal attack but a look at his failures during his reign. 1) A string of poor appointments for manager all of the same mould. Ex players who are trying to cut there teeth in management but have not been proven at this level of the game. Clark, Grayson, Robins and now Powell were managers learning there trade. I appreciate Grayson had a bit more experience but is still a relatively young manager. Mark Lillis has been around the game for a long time and knew how to get the players playing but more importantly understood Huddersfield town. What you promised was someone who has been there and done it. Powell took a team out of our league and had one season in the Championship. Hardly experienced. 2) Dean Hoyle likes to be centre of attention - take Powells first meeting at the Canalside. Dean sat smugly dishing information which should be kept behind closed doors. It had a jokey feel but in truth we are not a club in a position to laugh at others. Okay selling Clayton for £1.5m and getting Butterfield for £300k is great business sense. But so is selling a BMW and getting a Ford Focus instead. I would love some of the Middlesborough players in our squad. Infact most teams in our division play with more idea than we do.And did you really mean you would walk away from Town if you got a bit of stick!! Aww hope we didn't bruise your ego!! IF you did then you should have walked away. Someone is always willing to finance a team. Fans pay hard earned money to watch the constant stream of passionless shite on a Saturday. Yet another manager taking up Mick Wadsworth leaning post. Are they chained to it??? Are they not allowed in the technical area as it may damage the grass. 3) Player identification - This is the one that really sticks for me. We signed Robinson who isn't a patch on Dixon and play him. We have two left backs two right backs four centre halfs, 20 midfielders and 1 average championship forward in Wells and James Vaughan who unfortunately is only with us due to his injury problems. Last year when we lost Vaughan (again!!) we sent Stead and Patterson out on loan and relied on Wells and Danny Ward(who it is beyond me gets chance after chance!!). What would have happened if Wells got injured?? This problem s being played out again this season. 1 goal in 3 games under Powell and 3 for the rest of the season is woeful. At this early stage why has this problem not been addressed. 4) The club has created a culture of players who play for themselves not the team, shirt or the badge. Take Clayton, Hunt, Norwood, the first sign of a chance to move they go off the boil until we sell them normally just before the deadline so we cannot replace them. If we do we sign inferior players. 5)Time has come to be clear with the fans - ARE WE ACCEPTING WE CANNOT COMPETE AT THIS LEVEL AND WE ARE AT BEST A LEAGUE 1 CLUB. Thats how it feels to loyal fans who help fund the club albeit not to your level. 1) Lillis has a worse record in management than all those you have mentioned and isn't he an ex-player too. 2) If Dean Hoyle was attention seeking then he would be far more in the public eye than he was, I actually think he is quite shy. 3) The players are more than capable in my eyes, Wells was highly rated at the time, nearly all fna sthought we got a bargain at £1.3M particularly when you see what Assomablonga cost. 4) We sell some players for value when we can get it and it is clear they will not re-sign with us Clayton for example. 5) Dean Hoyle has never been anything but honest with fans at these forums if anything too honest about the dealings of the club, you complain about him being the centre of attention and then say he should be honest with us, he has stated numerous times we cannot compete financially with the majority of clubs in this league. That is why he says we do things differently. Do loyal fans lay the blame at the Chairman who has presided over year on year progression in the league standing for the entirity of his helmsmanship? I don't think they do! (this is not a personal attack - Welcome to the board Yes some do
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Post by alex on Sept 20, 2014 18:07:38 GMT 1
Richtea..
Usually your response is measured. .. maybe your pissed off like most of us but the OP has a point. .. This sell and replace strategy is beginning to cost us. Our team is mediocre for this level.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 20, 2014 18:07:56 GMT 1
Evidently
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