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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 23:37:40 GMT 1
Sore losers. Terriers need fans during downs as well as ups. What ups? Our only 'up' was a wank 0-0 draw against sheff utd at Wembley which we scraped through by a cock hair. There are no ups
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Post by htfcterry on Sept 20, 2014 23:37:59 GMT 1
Sore losers...? Fucking right we are! I haven't missed a game this season and we have only won 1. What a waste of fucking money
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Post by trailingleg on Sept 21, 2014 0:22:17 GMT 1
I'm afraid we are going nowhere by selling all our best players. It's the first rule of football - do not sell your best players! It's not Chris Powell's fault, nor is it the FFP. Who wants to watch what would be considered a reserve team play aspirant PL teams every week? Not me, although I've supported them (and attended) for 'donkey's ' years. Every match at the JS is like a home match for the opposition if they bring more than about fifty supporters. The configuration of the stadium is all wrong, not helped by the police and others, but that doesn' t excuse the lack of commitment and basic organisation within the team over the last two seasons or more. Selling our best players to diviisoinal rivals, however, is a first class ticket to League One, and I'm afraid that it it feels like we have been sold out when other clubs of similar, or even inferior stature, can build and progress. Oh well - Millwall next week and I suppose I' ll turn up for yet another humiliation. Dear God! (I've had a tinny or two.)
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Sept 21, 2014 0:38:53 GMT 1
Yep over 50 years for me too and to be honest think I have had enough too !. Where has that pride in wearing the shirt gone !. Utter disgrace today Bye bye then fella.....so why come on here saying that you've had enough .....frankly mate I've had enough of 'fans' like you with your confessional self indulgence......enjoy your Saturday afternoon shopping.... Its difficult at the moment the product is poor but we got to keep the faith...arguing amongst ourselves is pathetic weve been in worse positions than this we can turn it around but it will take a huge effort from the manager players and yes the fans
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 9:11:24 GMT 1
Don't let the football spoil the football.
I was surprised on Tuesday when I got in from the Wigan match at the number of negative posts. I'd enjoyed it immensely, singing for the full 90 behind the goal. Sometimes you just have to make the best of a bad situation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 9:12:35 GMT 1
there was no singing yesterday. we all played a shocker players and us alike
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 21, 2014 9:13:22 GMT 1
Don't let the football spoil the football. I was surprised on Tuesday when I got in from the Wigan match at the number of negative posts. I'd enjoyed it immensely, singing for the full 90 behind the goal. Sometimes you just have to make the best of a bad situation. Your right, bloody hard though when players on good money toss it off like yesterday few exceptions apart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 9:14:49 GMT 1
there was no singing yesterday. we all played a shocker players and us alike You're gonna get a load of fans saying "yeah, but if the players gave us something to sing about....." But even before we conceded our fans had given up.
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Post by upthemoor on Sept 21, 2014 9:23:49 GMT 1
Win, Draw, Lose if the efforts there you leave the ground in a reasonable mood. Today is deja vu for so many games since December 2013 till now and from Jan 12 -April 2012. How much longer can people put up with the same old rubbish week in week out. I was so close to not renewing my ST this year and already regret now forking the money out. I wonder how many more die hard supporters feel the same? No buzz anymore pre match and bored to death during the game. I'm not after tea and sympathy before anyone comments just starting a debate on other posters thoughts. Be amazed if we have 11k next week. I'll be there but it will feel more a chore than something to look forward to during the week.
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Post by upthemoor on Sept 21, 2014 9:28:14 GMT 1
Win, Draw, Lose if the efforts there you leave the ground in a reasonable mood. Today is deja vu for so many games since December 2013 till now and from Jan 12 -April 2012. How much longer can people put up with the same old rubbish week in week out. I was so close to not renewing my ST this year and already regret now forking the money out. I wonder how many more die hard supporters feel the same? No buzz anymore pre match and bored to death during the game. I'm not after tea and sympathy before anyone comments just starting a debate on other posters thoughts. Be amazed if we have 11k next week. I'll be there but it will feel more a chore than something to look forward to during the week. i am in full agreement and also what rags me off is when i see a new team in our div. like rotherham obviously survival more important to them than us they go get a player of becchios talent i know he is ex leeds but so was beckford and his goals helped a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 10:40:12 GMT 1
We are a League One sized club. We can over perform on a break-even budget for a while, like Barnsley, Peterborough did, but eventually it won't be enough.
We are there now.
It's up to us as fans to encourage more through the gates as its the only way we will ever, ever improve properly.
Stop whinging, start getting people to attend. The club need to implement an attacking formation to encourage people to come back.
Players only stay a while, we are here forever.
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Post by kes on Sept 21, 2014 11:19:25 GMT 1
I don`t see why we are a L1 sized club anymore than Fulham. They have spent most of my football live time in lower leagues with smaller crowds than us. as have wigan and reading. The spending in this league is beyond belief and unsustainable.
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Post by royrace on Sept 21, 2014 12:11:40 GMT 1
We are a League One sized club. We can over perform on a break-even budget for a while, like Barnsley, Peterborough did, but eventually it won't be enough. We are there now. It's up to us as fans to encourage more through the gates as its the only way we will ever, ever improve properly. Stop whinging, start getting people to attend. The club need to implement an attacking formation to encourage people to come back. Players only stay a while, we are here forever. Rubbish. We have the players to compete but as always the manager is the most important roll at the club. Get that appointment wrong and we're screwed. It seems like we have, and we are. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 12:15:59 GMT 1
Problem nowadays is fans aren't fans, they are consumers. If they aren't entertained they'll find something else to do with their money and Saturday afternoons.
These fans (consumers) then take their money out of the club meaning that the clubs budget decreases and it's even harder for us to compete. It's a vicious circle and will only lead to us dropping back down the leagues.
Our problem is too many clubs in this division bankrolled by parachute payments and clubs deliberately flouting FFP rules. Leeds yesterday had a striker on the bench they paid £3mil for!
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Post by swollentoe on Sept 21, 2014 12:31:07 GMT 1
Problem nowadays is fans aren't fans, they are consumers. If they aren't entertained they'll find something else to do with their money and Saturday afternoons. These fans (consumers) then take their money out of the club meaning that the clubs budget decreases and it's even harder for us to compete. It's a vicious circle and will only lead to us dropping back down the leagues. Our problem is too many clubs in this division bankrolled by parachute payments and clubs deliberately flouting FFP rules. Leeds yesterday had a striker on the bench they paid £3mil for! But they have crowds of 24,000 to 30,000 and can compete more in wages and fees I don't think Cellino has more money than mr Hoyle ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 13:24:44 GMT 1
Problem nowadays is fans aren't fans, they are consumers. If they aren't entertained they'll find something else to do with their money and Saturday afternoons. These fans (consumers) then take their money out of the club meaning that the clubs budget decreases and it's even harder for us to compete. It's a vicious circle and will only lead to us dropping back down the leagues. Our problem is too many clubs in this division bankrolled by parachute payments and clubs deliberately flouting FFP rules. Leeds yesterday had a striker on the bench they paid £3mil for! But they have crowds of 24,000 to 30,000 and can compete more in wages and fees I don't think Cellino has more money than mr Hoyle ? Yes they do have bigger crowds, they are a city club with a larger catchment area too. So we need every fan possible, we need to make the match day experience a joy (the small steps so far aren't enough) so that if Town lose or perform badly the fans (consumers) go home a little bit happier.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 14:32:19 GMT 1
But they have crowds of 24,000 to 30,000 and can compete more in wages and fees I don't think Cellino has more money than mr Hoyle ? Yes they do have bigger crowds, they are a city club with a larger catchment area too. So we need every fan possible, we need to make the match day experience a joy (the small steps so far aren't enough) so that if Town lose or perform badly the fans (consumers) go home a little bit happier. Thats why I say, don't let the football spoil the football. Even in the wake of yesterday's defeat I still enjoy the debate and discussion on where it went wrong, I even enjoyed my mate who is a die hard Leeds fan, apparently, describing "him with the pink boots" in their midfield as a cracking player, and how the "big black lad upfront" had been a right find.
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Post by detox on Sept 21, 2014 14:55:03 GMT 1
Hoyle needs to assess what matters more then. I have a feeling his hand will be forced in January. Sounds exactly like when Bates was in charge of us. Didn't know the meaning of speculate to accumulate. Hoyle underwrote £5m losses last year and has written off about £30m in 5 years at Town He's no where near like Bates - he's more like Jack Walker at Blackburn The hard truth is we can't compete at this level with our gates and Hoyle is trying to make us self sufficient and that looks difficult Money is available though - surplus from our summer transfer dealings - so it expect it will be spent soon, hopefully on a striker Thing is , if you have a shop..selling cards (say)..and it's only half full of average cards...you're not going to get many customers...If however you speculate and invest in some decent stock, then you will ultimately get more customers. The more customers you can attract allows you to then further improve your stock ...and so on....isn't that how it worked for Card Factory ?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 21, 2014 18:08:02 GMT 1
Hoyle underwrote £5m losses last year and has written off about £30m in 5 years at Town He's no where near like Bates - he's more like Jack Walker at Blackburn The hard truth is we can't compete at this level with our gates and Hoyle is trying to make us self sufficient and that looks difficult Money is available though - surplus from our summer transfer dealings - so it expect it will be spent soon, hopefully on a striker Thing is , if you have a shop..selling cards (say)..and it's only half full of average cards...you're not going to get many customers...If however you speculate and invest in some decent stock, then you will ultimately get more customers. The more customers you can attract allows you to then further improve your stock ...and so on....isn't that how it worked for Card Factory ? To be fair he tried the card factory model - low margin high turnover - when we did season tickets for £100. It didn't work and cost the club/ Dean Hoyle more money
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 21, 2014 18:31:50 GMT 1
we are a re run of Barnsley. have a season or two struggling whilst every so often having brief periods of decent or even good results, then falling away badly to be relegated.
maybe our best is to be a yo yo championship team like Peterborough were/are..??
still like to know how fergurson can make 2/3 finds every season that get them success before selling on for fortunes..?
is that what we are trying to be?
is the club hoping that coady or billing or some others will makes us a load before we re invest just small amounts from their sales whilst trying to find other low cost 'finds'..??
If that's the case we end up going up and down between here and the 1st division like the posh.. Is that enough ambition??
just a thought..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 18:38:14 GMT 1
we are a re run of Barnsley. have a season or two struggling whilst every so often having brief periods of decent or even good results, then falling away badly to be relegated. maybe our best is to be a yo yo championship team like Peterborough were/are..?? still like to know how fergurson can make 2/3 finds every season that get them success before selling on for fortunes..? is that what we are trying to be? is the club hoping that coady or billing or some others will makes us a load before we re invest just small amounts from their sales whilst trying to find other low cost 'finds'..?? If that's the case we end up going up and down between here and the 1st division like the posh.. Is that enough ambition?? just a thought.. difference been Posh can go up and down,, where as we would fanny about for about 10 years before scraping up via a play off
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 20:22:55 GMT 1
Must admit I'm fed up,got a season ticket but doubt I'll do ten games this year,even the wins seem like a chore
We've been served up some right crap for a few years now
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Sept 21, 2014 20:37:22 GMT 1
Pretty shocking yesterday.
Still fuming.
Totally gutless performance.
I think a need a couple of years off.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 21, 2014 20:42:19 GMT 1
We are a League One sized club. We can over perform on a break-even budget for a while, like Barnsley, Peterborough did, but eventually it won't be enough. We are there now. It's up to us as fans to encourage more through the gates as its the only way we will ever, ever improve properly. Stop whinging, start getting people to attend. The club need to implement an attacking formation to encourage people to come back. Players only stay a while, we are here forever. Rubbish. We have the players to compete but as always the manager is the most important roll at the club. Get that appointment wrong and we're screwed. It seems like we have, and we are. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards More important than the sausage roll?
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Post by Hull0Leeds4 on Sept 21, 2014 20:47:12 GMT 1
I was embarrassed today, and very annoyed at the lack of motivation of the players. Watching those home fans gloating for the second time running has done it for me. I am sc holder and regret renewing already. Neither my son or I will be attending home or away for the foreseeable. I've been all over the country fallowing Town for the best part of 40 years but today was the proverbial straw. Gutless players, I can't abide. Blimey, try going through some of the shit we've been through for the last 10 years. Grow a pair, get yourself there and have some pride in your club. None of my business like.
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 21, 2014 22:02:24 GMT 1
Problem nowadays is fans aren't fans, they are consumers. If they aren't entertained they'll find something else to do with their money and Saturday afternoons. These fans (consumers) then take their money out of the club meaning that the clubs budget decreases and it's even harder for us to compete. It's a vicious circle and will only lead to us dropping back down the leagues. Our problem is too many clubs in this division bankrolled by parachute payments and clubs deliberately flouting FFP rules. Leeds yesterday had a striker on the bench they paid £3mil for! Your right Herbert except for the fans who travel away regardless of the results. The football might be poor at the moment!! but i really don't know what i would do on a Saturday afternoon other than watching Town
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Post by gummihuddsfans on Sept 21, 2014 22:16:37 GMT 1
One problem with having a couple of years off You'll never return
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 21, 2014 22:39:15 GMT 1
the 'expectations' talked of are complete shite..
most town fans expected us to struggle in the first season, no doubt, maybe not to be relegated 3 times in the last game but there you go, we survived.
second season, the slight improvement wasn't as strong as expected and nobody in their right mind would say we had improved noticeably. ok we finished a bit further up but still had 12 games without a win and more dire days than average days.
We have started very badly and there is nothing about the team or individuals that lead anyone to have more expectations than at the end of last season. The clubs that came up are stronger, undeniably and the teams that came down have the money to save themselves even if they have had a bad start. Even if they don't that does not affect how we should be doing in terms of performance, forget the results.
This idea trollied out after every dire performance that we 'expect' too much is clearly bollox.. I think we all expected a reaction when powell came in, it didn't happen and we then at least expected us to give leeds a game, it didn't happen.
What is it that we 'expect' that is just too much or pie in the sky, from the club and the players??
If the club make an honest statement saying we are just not good enough to be here and we cant afford it and we are looking towards preparing for being back in the 1st division with a crop of good youngsters and a much healthier bank balance, then fair enough.
Don't play at being in the big leagues, its costly and ultimately disappointing but ffs don't blame the fans who turn up and dont blame anyone but the professional staff running the club and playing for it. We are in over our heads and its nobodies fault but those who sign the silly cheques or employ the failures. Some will clearly disagree and say its harsh but business is and football and waste go together hand in glove.
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Post by bro600 on Sept 22, 2014 7:32:10 GMT 1
the 'expectations' talked of are complete shite.. most town fans expected us to struggle in the first season, no doubt, maybe not to be relegated 3 times in the last game but there you go, we survived. second season, the slight improvement wasn't as strong as expected and nobody in their right mind would say we had improved noticeably. ok we finished a bit further up but still had 12 games without a win and more dire days than average days. We have started very badly and there is nothing about the team or individuals that lead anyone to have more expectations than at the end of last season. The clubs that came up are stronger, undeniably and the teams that came down have the money to save themselves even if they have had a bad start. Even if they don't that does not affect how we should be doing in terms of performance, forget the results. This idea trollied out after every dire performance that we 'expect' too much is clearly bollox.. I think we all expected a reaction when powell came in, it didn't happen and we then at least expected us to give leeds a game, it didn't happen. What is it that we 'expect' that is just too much or pie in the sky, from the club and the players?? If the club make an honest statement saying we are just not good enough to be here and we cant afford it and we are looking towards preparing for being back in the 1st division with a crop of good youngsters and a much healthier bank balance, then fair enough. Don't play at being in the big leagues, its costly and ultimately disappointing but ffs don't blame the fans who turn up and dont blame anyone but the professional staff running the club and playing for it. We are in over our heads and its nobodies fault but those who sign the silly cheques or employ the failures. Some will clearly disagree and say its harsh but business is and football and waste go together hand in glove. You do talk a load of bollox sometimes Galpharm! "Don't play at being in the big leagues" FFS ARE YOU FOR REAL? The only people giving up on HTFC being in the championship at the moment is you and people like you. I could ask you the same why support Town if you can't stomach the consequences?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 8:24:54 GMT 1
We are a League One sized club. We can over perform on a break-even budget for a while, like Barnsley, Peterborough did, but eventually it won't be enough. We are there now. It's up to us as fans to encourage more through the gates as its the only way we will ever, ever improve properly. Stop whinging, start getting people to attend. The club need to implement an attacking formation to encourage people to come back. Players only stay a while, we are here forever. In full agreement with this. It's a vicious circle, we can't get more through the gate because the fans don't want to come because the team isn't good enough, but we can't improve the team because the fans aren't coming and we can't get the sponsorship. We've had a shortfall on season tickets this year which the club has denied, but the crowds over the next 2 home games will show it up. People want us to go out and sign Chris Wood, but his wages amount to over 5000 season tickets being sold over the course of a season.
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