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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 21, 2014 21:53:36 GMT 1
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Sept 21, 2014 21:57:41 GMT 1
If we'd never sold Rhodes, Pilks, Hunt, Clayton we'd be in the play offs....if we had never sold Marcus we'd never have ended up in administration... If I could resist pastry and beer I'd be able to see my ballsack without the aid of an elaborate system of mirrors. Disney has it right -  |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 21, 2014 22:45:40 GMT 1
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Post by Stavros on Sept 21, 2014 22:53:55 GMT 1
I might be the only one, but hand on heart I think JB is a better player than AC. That's even without the million quid we got.
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 21, 2014 23:00:19 GMT 1
The best bit about that post is its been edited Edits, likes, dislikes, bolding text, seeing who's online, smilies, post counts... All things of the past on this smartphone malarky. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 21, 2014 23:24:25 GMT 1
irrelevant??
selling our better players in the hope that cheaper replacements and cash in the bank will do the job??
an 'investment' in the futures market by htfc.
We may well be being set up to be a good team with good finances but not in this division. likewise cheaper kit can be effective in less 'dangerous' zones...but its pretty crap in the big leagues..
htfc, have to produce or find enough players one day who will stay here for a long enough period to really move the team/club on and if that means paying more than we want to then at some point it will have to be done. The chances of us replacing our best players time after time with lesser options and moving onwards and upwards don't look good. Standing still looks to be out of our range of options the moment..
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Post by BoltonTerrier on Sept 22, 2014 0:14:29 GMT 1
Nick you are like the king of the WUMS .... Butterfield and 1.2m or a sulking Clayton running down his contract and going for free ? Which would YOU have done ?  |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Sept 22, 2014 0:26:56 GMT 1
If we'd never sold Rhodes, Pilks, Hunt, Clayton we'd be in the play offs....if we had never sold Marcus we'd never have ended up in administration... If I could resist pastry and beer I'd be able to see my ballsack without the aid of an elaborate system of mirrors. Disney has it right - can I borrow those mirrors.. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Sept 22, 2014 0:29:49 GMT 1
irrelevant?? selling our better players in the hope that cheaper replacements and cash in the bank will do the job?? an 'investment' in the futures market by htfc. We may well be being set up to be a good team with good finances but not in this division. likewise cheaper kit can be effective in less 'dangerous' zones...but its pretty crap in the big leagues.. htfc, have to produce or find enough players one day who will stay here for a long enough period to really move the team/club on and if that means paying more than we want to then at some point it will have to be done. The chances of us replacing our best players time after time with lesser options and moving onwards and upwards don't look good. Standing still looks to be out of our range of options the moment.. Not true. We either survive on the players and the wage structure we can afford or we go down. It's a cold fact that 3 teams with equally as frustrated fans as ourselves have to get relegated, this season and the next and the next... |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 22, 2014 7:16:44 GMT 1
Even though Clayts has gone IMO CP will do enough to keep us just about up.
He was probs a luxury player in our mediocre side tbf.
We need a new striker though.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 22, 2014 8:34:29 GMT 1
irrelevant?? selling our better players in the hope that cheaper replacements and cash in the bank will do the job?? an 'investment' in the futures market by htfc. We may well be being set up to be a good team with good finances but not in this division. likewise cheaper kit can be effective in less 'dangerous' zones...but its pretty crap in the big leagues.. htfc, have to produce or find enough players one day who will stay here for a long enough period to really move the team/club on and if that means paying more than we want to then at some point it will have to be done. The chances of us replacing our best players time after time with lesser options and moving onwards and upwards don't look good. Standing still looks to be out of our range of options the moment.. Yes irrelevant. I fail to see what relevance tales of your army days have to the finances of a professional football club. Clayton wanted more money than we could afford to pay him. When we're losing £5m a year we can't afford to let him go for free. So what's your plan? Let's not forget that Butterfield earned a move to the premier league with his performances in this league, something Clayton has yet to achieve. People are speaking as though we've replaced Clayton with some kid out of non league. Why don't we give him some time rather than write him off after a few games - done forget Clayton had his fair share of stinkers too. |
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Post by swollentoe on Sept 22, 2014 9:12:58 GMT 1
Butterfield runs all game and looks for the ball clayton didn't
Butterfield imo will be better than Clayton for us
When Mr Hoyle and mr Powell said we want to over achieve does that mean 21 at the moment ?
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Post by figo on Sept 22, 2014 10:32:13 GMT 1
I liked Clayton - and wish he had stayed, and stayed focussed on Town.
But I work with a Boro fan, and he wonders why they bought Clayton - as far as boro fans are concerned he has done nothing, and is no better than Butterfield -- this is direct from him.
My colleague came to the boro game with me, and wondered why Butterfield was played out of position, he then came to the Wigan game and asked the same.
After the boro game he still wondered what Clayts brings to them - and I said -- exactly what he did in todays game..
But he still prefers butterfield, so far.
Butterfield is best suited to a central midfield role, not the widest right of a 3.
He takes inswinging corners with left or right foot depending which side they are taken from - not sure if anyone has noticed this.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 22, 2014 10:43:45 GMT 1
I liked Clayton - and wish he had stayed, and stayed focussed on Town. But I work with a Boro fan, and he wonders why they bought Clayton - as far as boro fans are concerned he has done nothing, and is no better than Butterfield -- this is direct from him. My colleague came to the boro game with me, and wondered why Butterfield was played out of position, he then came to the Wigan game and asked the same. After the boro game he still wondered what Clayts brings to them - and I said -- exactly what he did in todays game.. But he still prefers butterfield, so far. Butterfield is best suited to a central midfield role, not the widest right of a 3. He takes inswinging corners with left or right foot depending which side they are taken from - not sure if anyone has noticed this. Yes i had noticed that. Seem to remember Del Piero used to do that to great effect. Should be a mandatory piece of technique really for a touch player at that level. |
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Post by figo on Sept 22, 2014 10:58:50 GMT 1
8 ball......
If you watch the attempts on soccer am to curl the ball into the net left foot right foot - it obviously isnt!!!!
I agree though, with all the practice time they have with a ball, youd think being two footed would be a basic requirement!!
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Sept 22, 2014 11:14:17 GMT 1
Clayton was a decent player but lets take our rose tinted glasses off here as he was equally frustrating at times! Maybe the beard thing distracted people from the fact he didnt always have a good game!!!
Butterfield looks a decent player and we are judging him in a team thats in turmoil right now! Lets just give it a few games when hopefully we are on the up again and then make a judgement.
Its like some fans form a view and then are so desperate to be proven right they are prepared to wait and wait until a bad performance or form and suddenly they attack with vicious bile. I am not just talking about Butterfield here as virtually every player has faced this and I think its not fair.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 22, 2014 11:39:46 GMT 1
8 ball...... If you watch the attempts on soccer am to curl the ball into the net left foot right foot - it obviously isnt!!!! I agree though, with all the practice time they have with a ball, youd think being two footed would be a basic requirement!! I know it isn't but it should be - it's their profession and they've presumably spent their entire life trying to perfect it! |
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Post by cheesyhtfc on Sept 22, 2014 12:00:31 GMT 1
I didn't see the game on Saturday, but prior to Powell coming in there was almost unanimous agreement that we had done a great deal to get him and money for Clayton, and that he and Coady were shaping up to be our best CM partnership for years. Since Powell has come in, Butterfield has been shifted all over the place. Let's not underestimate the effect that disrupting a settled midfield can have, especially when we've gone from a team that gave a player like Butterfield the licence to get on the ball and do something creative (with Majewski, Bunn, Scannell and a striker ahead of him) to one that's main tactic is damage limitation and restricts creativity. Play him with Coady holding and a proper attacking midfielder (I don't care if it is Majewski, Ward, Scannell or Lolley in a central role ahead of him) and we will get the best out of him. Shove him on the wing or have him as our main attacking midfielder and we will have exactly the same problem we had last year - a midfield lacking creativity and an isolated striker.
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Post by John Smith on Sept 23, 2014 9:58:34 GMT 1
I'm confused. A couple of weeks ago (after just three appearances) he was better than Clayton. Some said. A few weeks/games later, Clayton's the better player. Eh??
How's about we consider the fact that Clayton's playing in a better side? He is, unfortunately. Lets see how many assists each player has, or how many goals. Oh, looks like Butterfield's doing better on that score. Clayton didn't even start last weekend. So I wouldn't mind having this conversation so much if he'd gone there and smashed it up, and JB was having a mare here. But really, that's not the case as it stands.
However, all this is ridiculous. It's far too early to compare them. And even when it's not, it's still ridiculous because it'll get us nowhere. Facts are, JB wanted to come here, Clayton wanted to leave. And, in my opinion, we've come out of this with the better player which I expect to become blatantly apparent as time elapses. And even if I'm wrong, we still did very well to get over a million pounds (or whatever it was) for Clayton and replace him with Butterfield for under 500k. Very bloody well.
We've issues in this squad. No shit, Sherlock. Jacob Butterfield isn't one of them. Where Powell stations him in midfield, that's an issue. But it's early days too for CP and he'll hopefully figure it all out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 11:27:49 GMT 1
Ok first half, shit second. Having said that, it was him that missed the tackle in the middle of the park for the second goal. Don't care if folk paddy but...... He's no Clayton. He is the best midfielder we have by a mile....he tries to get forward and make things happen and he gets stuck in. More importantly, he always tries to make himself available. If everybody conducted themselves like him we wouldn't be in the relegation zone |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 11:31:55 GMT 1
I liked Clayton - and wish he had stayed, and stayed focussed on Town. But I work with a Boro fan, and he wonders why they bought Clayton - as far as boro fans are concerned he has done nothing, and is no better than Butterfield -- this is direct from him. My colleague came to the boro game with me, and wondered why Butterfield was played out of position, he then came to the Wigan game and asked the same. After the boro game he still wondered what Clayts brings to them - and I said -- exactly what he did in todays game.. But he still prefers butterfield, so far. Butterfield is best suited to a central midfield role, not the widest right of a 3. He takes inswinging corners with left or right foot depending which side they are taken from - not sure if anyone has noticed this. I've noticed. He's both footed. I didn't know he played on the right again against Wigan suicide |
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Post by DannyG on Sept 24, 2014 11:37:28 GMT 1
Even though Clayts has gone IMO CP will do enough to keep us just about up. So 'relegated' then? |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 24, 2014 19:30:17 GMT 1
Even though Clayts has gone IMO CP will do enough to keep us just about up. So 'relegated' then? Don't worry - he'll change. His mind. Tomorrow. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 24, 2014 19:58:11 GMT 1
Even though Clayts has gone IMO CP will do enough to keep us just about up. So 'relegated' then? Eh, do enuf to keep us up, I'm lost. |
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Post by DannyG on Sept 24, 2014 20:28:52 GMT 1
Eh, do enuf to keep us up, I'm lost. 'Just about' you said. As in 'not quite'. As in 'relegated'. If you're 'just about' 6ft, it means you're under 6ft, Nick  |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 24, 2014 20:31:36 GMT 1
Eh, do enuf to keep us up, I'm lost. 'Just about' you said. As in 'not quite'. As in 'relegated'. If you're 'just about' 6ft, it means you're under 6ft, Nick Get back to your ace cartoon work of the yids game please.  |
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Post by DannyG on Sept 24, 2014 20:46:00 GMT 1
Get back to your ace cartoon work of the yids game please. You're too kind, Nick. But I was off on a birthday weekend trip away so missed the Leeds game, thankfully. |
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