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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 14:27:11 GMT 1
Grant Holt isn't in the Wigan managers plans so loaning him out and paying part of his wages isn't an impossibility. The real worry is if the Wigan manager is in Wigan's plans. With the wages he's on, Holt will have to come back into contention if Rosler gets the chop.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 15:00:17 GMT 1
Grant Holt isn't in the Wigan managers plans so loaning him out and paying part of his wages isn't an impossibility. The real worry is if the Wigan manager is in Wigan's plans. With the wages he's on, Holt will have to come back into contention if Rosler gets the chop. unless the two chairmen can come to an understanding / deal for the season that is... I suspect Dean won't have got Holt without having options to keep him on for a bit.
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Post by stinkypete on Oct 2, 2014 15:52:15 GMT 1
Best hold up play I've seen in a very long time last night from Holt, a complete pain in the arse for the Wolves defence. He could be the difference between a comfortable mid table finish and a struggle against relegation. I feel he could be worth pushing the boat out a little for, he appears very worth it.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 2, 2014 16:07:37 GMT 1
Too right - he looked a lot fitter than Vaughan, Stead, Paterson and more capable than anything else we have tried up there for a long time. He's still got it - and got it for at least a contracts worth. Have you seen what his current contract is reputably worth? True enough Captain. However, on the other side of the books - a good run would put a couple of thousand on the home crowd.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 2, 2014 16:14:47 GMT 1
at 33 wigan wont get much back on him in 2 years time if anything. He appears to have fallen out with them and they have to try and save some of the big wages. If he is on 20k plus a week he would have to play out of his skin to get someone else to pay his full money to wigan. Its pretty clear he does not fit into how rossler is going to do things and wigan don't seem to be a club that sacks managers on a whim so Holt's future there looks poor from a playing point of view.
If he carries on being as influential for us then its possible that dean might 'continue' to push the boat out to extend his stay with us. He cettainly looks like he wants to play and he looks like he enjoys playing the way we are at the moment. He is a centre forward in the old mould and he likes the physical challenge.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 2, 2014 16:34:54 GMT 1
All will be fine when he is playing and in form but if he gets injured or loses form then many on here would use the power of hindsight that many now use against Vaughan.
Investing 20k a week on a player approaching his mid thirties could be described as madness for a club with our income and expenditure.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Oct 2, 2014 18:26:39 GMT 1
If you intend on competing in any way shape or form with the bigger boys in this division, then that is the sort of quality and money you are looking at. Spend peanuts, get monkeys.
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Post by bro600 on Oct 2, 2014 18:29:54 GMT 1
If you intend on competing in any way shape or form with the nigger boys in this division, then that is the sort of quality and money you are looking at. Spend peanuts, get monkeys. Surely you mean Bigger boys? If you look at the bottom five in this division now you'll find it didn't work for them..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 18:49:13 GMT 1
Will dean take a gamble on buying him? Lot of money, but the lad is a class act and if we don't take a punt one of our competitors will. Would prefer season loan but bugger if it ain't an emergency loan!
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Post by yorkshiretripod on Oct 2, 2014 18:58:47 GMT 1
If you intend on competing in any way shape or form with the nigger boys in this division, then that is the sort of quality and money you are looking at. Spend peanuts, get monkeys. Surely you mean Bigger boys? If you look at the bottom five in this division now you'll find it didn't work for them.. Talk about a freudian slip. Then he had to go and mention monkeys. Awkward... Can't disagree with his argument though, Holt has made a difference just a game and a bit into his spell with us.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 2, 2014 19:10:21 GMT 1
Thankfully with the transfer window, we will have a bigger sample to assess whether a move to make it permanent is possible. 106 minutes is not nearly enough time on the pitch to determine whether a multi million pound investment in a 33 year old is as critical to our future as some people make out.
I love the way people spend Deano's money for him.
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Post by In sooth- - on Oct 2, 2014 19:26:10 GMT 1
Where can we get another striker as good as him.
I would like us to sign him till the end of the season and recoup most of it back with a good run in the FA Cup.
I HAVE A DREAM. I HAVE A DREAM.
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Post by dbterrier32 on Oct 2, 2014 19:43:28 GMT 1
If you intend on competing in any way shape or form with the nigger boys in this division, then that is the sort of quality and money you are looking at. Spend peanuts, get monkeys. Haha that's a Freudian slip and a half especially with the last sentence ha
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Post by Colt Seavers on Oct 3, 2014 10:20:07 GMT 1
Surely you mean Bigger boys? If you look at the bottom five in this division now you'll find it didn't work for them.. Talk about a freudian slip. Then he had to go and mention monkeys. Awkward... Can't disagree with his argument though, Holt has made a difference just a game and a bit into his spell with us. Wow, apologies everyone. Only just noticed what i put.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Oct 3, 2014 10:22:27 GMT 1
Thankfully with the transfer window, we will have a bigger sample to assess whether a move to make it permanent is possible. 106 minutes is not nearly enough time on the pitch to determine whether a multi million pound investment in a 33 year old is as critical to our future as some people make out. I love the way people spend Deano's money for him. Its not how people spend the money for him, it is in fact how his money should be spent if we intend on being competitive in this league. Would you buy a Ferriari just to keep it in the garage?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 11:28:23 GMT 1
Talk about a freudian slip. Then he had to go and mention monkeys. Awkward... Can't disagree with his argument though, Holt has made a difference just a game and a bit into his spell with us. Wow, apologies everyone. Only just noticed what i put. lol i know its wrong,, but knowing you personally, it did make me laugh Pud
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Post by theravymoomin on Oct 6, 2014 7:15:40 GMT 1
Just wondering what people's views on the length of grant holts stay are, personally all season would be great, my only fear is, if he carries on the way he started, will a couple of solid displays, and perhaps a couple of goals before the 8th November, and with the way Wigan are struggling, make them think twice about extending his loan? Especially when both teams ( I hope we arnt) could be battling with each other at the wrong end if the table come April/ may. Thoughts???
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Post by Cosmo Kramer on Oct 6, 2014 7:24:19 GMT 1
Personally I would be surprised if Wigan were properly dragged into a relegation scrap, they do have a strong squad. Hopefully they maybe turn their form around soonish if it means we can keep Holt a bit longer.
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Post by theravymoomin on Oct 6, 2014 7:31:33 GMT 1
Personally I would be surprised if Wigan were properly dragged into a relegation scrap, they do have a strong squad. Hopefully they maybe turn their form around soonish if it means we can keep Holt a bit longer. Yeh some big clubs have done struggled coming down and adapting to this league though mate, but I agree I hope they perform better and pull away so we can keep him,
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 6, 2014 10:56:15 GMT 1
Loan Report: Grant Holt Finding His Feet link
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Post by C.H on Oct 6, 2014 11:28:57 GMT 1
not being funny but holt was poor at blackburn
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Post by thomo on Oct 6, 2014 13:04:25 GMT 1
not being funny but holt was poor at blackburn I didn't go to Blackburn. It still seems overall we played better than we had done before holt came into the team. Was it a case that he was heavily marked keeping the Blackburn defence occupied and therefore making room for others? Or was he knackered or just generally poor?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 6, 2014 13:27:52 GMT 1
not being funny but holt was poor at blackburn I didn't go to Blackburn. It still seems overall we played better than we had done before holt came into the team. Was it a case that he was heavily marked keeping the Blackburn defence occupied and therefore making room for others? Or was he knackered or just generally poor? I don't think Carl did either Holt was damned effective at Blackburn - some of his flicks and touches to get Scannell and Bunn on the move were excellent. I think he'd have scored too if Bunn had released him instead of shooting late on. Saturday's problem was Wells. His presence pushed Holt too far wide when he should be the focal point of the attack and, if playing at all, Wells should be playing behind Holt, not in front. All of Wells frailties were on display on Saturday and his losing of possession was nearly fatal on a couple of occasions when our defenders were on the front foot against a quick counter attack.
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Post by royrace on Oct 6, 2014 13:39:32 GMT 1
The real worry is if the Wigan manager is in Wigan's plans. With the wages he's on, Holt will have to come back into contention if Rosler gets the chop. unless the two chairmen can come to an understanding / deal for the season that is... I suspect Dean won't have got Holt without having options to keep him on for a bit. Good point, aren't Dean and DW buddies now also after their chairman's lunches? Whelan always strikes me as the sensible type and will probably be open to some kind of deal without expecting to recoup what they've paid. A season long deal with us paying a chunk of his wages without a recall clause would do the job, maybe with an option for first refusal to buy.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 6, 2014 14:47:03 GMT 1
wigan wont sack rossler, they are not that type of club. holt isn't in rosslers plans or tactics..Vaughan fit or otherwise we still need the holt type of striker at the club and we need a good one. I cant think of another one that we could get ..
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 6, 2014 14:57:48 GMT 1
The point most seem to be missing is why Wigan allowed Holt to go out on loan. Surely he would get into the Wigan team had he showed the same form seen when playing for Town and maybe a case of a certain manager getting the best out of the player.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 6, 2014 16:50:37 GMT 1
The point most seem to be missing is why Wigan allowed Holt to go out on loan. Surely he would get into the Wigan team had he showed the same form seen when playing for Town and maybe a case of a certain manager getting the best out of the player. Some players faces don't fit with certain managers ideas and tactics. Look at Robins and loving ward but hating Pattercake ?
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 6, 2014 20:55:18 GMT 1
Holt has adapted perfectly to how Powell wants him to play. He adds experience and muscle to a slik motivated passing team and vital that the board get an extension to his loan deal.
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Post by capitalterrier on Oct 6, 2014 21:55:30 GMT 1
A poor man's Alan Alan Lee.
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Post by Tez on Oct 7, 2014 15:31:31 GMT 1
A poor man's Alan Alan Lee. Not enough elbowing/red cards for my liking
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