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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 13, 2014 12:44:17 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see what happens. He will appeal the conviction and sentence. I for one hope that a club takes him on and he resumes playing for one simple reason;
it means that footballers are merely employees who do a job. They are not role models for anything other than the silly lifestyle, silly haircuts, tattoos and footballspeak and too much money for what they do. The community side of the game is mostly false and just consists of a few signatures a few platitudes and a selfie. The biggest community work isn't done by the first team and its just pr.
It might put the actual players back in their rightful place in the hierarchy of 'real and proper role models' and stop people treating them like a special case.. Evans having to be 'supervised' whilst dealing with women and being unable to coach anyone under 18 makes him EXACTLY THE SAME AS ANY ORDINARY PERSON convicted of this type of offence. During the court case they kept referring to him as the Footballer Ched Evans?? if he had been a dustbinman would they have continually introduced him as such??? Should have been Ched Evans who 'works in the Sheffield area'...
Would I have him at Town?? no, not unless his appeal is upheld. After that he is not guilty in the eyes of the law just as he is accepted as being guilty now.
Someone said he deserves a second chance?? Its not a second chance he has served him time, agree with the sentence or not, that's what he got and that's what the law allows..
BTW, none of the above is an opinion of his guilt or otherwise, I wasn't there when it happened and a court found him guilty, my opinion is therefore not important.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 12:50:52 GMT 1
If he's a convicted rapist then I don't really think he should be allowed to go back into a job where he will be worshipped by young impressionable football fans.
His professional footballing career should be over in my opinion.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 13, 2014 12:52:02 GMT 1
Can't say I disagree with what you have posted Galpharm, but I suspect there will be many who do. Read Rod Liddle in Sunday Times of yesterday if you have an open mind about such issues.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 13, 2014 13:02:46 GMT 1
We need to 'educate' the young impressionable football fans then..
This bloke kicks a bit of plastic with air in it, he gets paid far too much to do so but its an anomaly in our society and he is just a young man with all the flaws of any young bloke.
Yes, you can certainly aim to do his job but don't aim to be like him or others who have too much self importance and ego.
By the way, this is what happens whatever 'job' you do in life..
might be a better learning tool than some of the lesser incidents that players have got involved in before.
Should we ban anyone from having any job who has been convicted of a serious offence??? much harder to keep an eye on someone who nobody knows???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 13:23:40 GMT 1
We need to 'educate' the young impressionable football fans then.. This bloke kicks a bit of plastic with air in it, he gets paid far too much to do so but its an anomaly in our society and he is just a young man with all the flaws of any young bloke. Yes, you can certainly aim to do his job but don't aim to be like him or others who have too much self importance and ego. By the way, this is what happens whatever 'job' you do in life.. might be a better learning tool than some of the lesser incidents that players have got involved in before. Should we ban anyone from having any job who has been convicted of a serious offence??? much harder to keep an eye on someone who nobody knows??? What about Dave Lee Travis. Should he be allowed to resurrect his career? or what about Ron Atkinson, he can't get near a TV studio as a pundit? I'm not saying Evans shouldn't get any job, he could even take a job in football behind the scenes, but i certainly don't think he should be allowed to ply his trade on the pitch again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 13:29:57 GMT 1
Footballers generally get bad press because of idiots like this ( and maybe Hamil at our club). I hope for the sake of the majority of well balanced, committed and honest players out there and football in general that Evans has to seek employment in another industry. Footballers should clean up their act and this would be a good place to start.
They should not be able to do this type of thing and believe they can get away with it because they can score goals, just not on for me.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 13, 2014 13:35:13 GMT 1
We need to 'educate' the young impressionable football fans then.. This bloke kicks a bit of plastic with air in it, he gets paid far too much to do so but its an anomaly in our society and he is just a young man with all the flaws of any young bloke. Yes, you can certainly aim to do his job but don't aim to be like him or others who have too much self importance and ego. By the way, this is what happens whatever 'job' you do in life.. might be a better learning tool than some of the lesser incidents that players have got involved in before. Should we ban anyone from having any job who has been convicted of a serious offence??? much harder to keep an eye on someone who nobody knows??? What about Dave Lee Travis. Should he be allowed to resurrect his career? or what about Ron Atkinson, he can't get near a TV studio as a pundit? I'm not saying Evans shouldn't get any job, he could even take a job in football behind the scenes, but i certainly don't think he should be allowed to ply his trade on the pitch again. So, having done his time, he could train the youth team (for which he is not qualified), but not play football (for which he is)? Interesting viewpoint that. See article - www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/12/ched-evans-rape-resume-football-career-sheffield-united
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Post by lochnessterrier on Oct 13, 2014 13:37:38 GMT 1
If he's a convicted rapist then I don't really think he should be allowed to go back into a job where he will be worshipped by young impressionable football fans. His professional footballing career should be over in my opinion. Why should a professional football career be different to any other career? The fact that he will earn a lot of money means he will pay a lot of it back into the economy through PAYE. He's served his time and the law says he can resume his job, whatever it may be. Personally I wouldn't want him playing for us, but Lee Hughes was allowed back after he got behind the wheel when drunk and then killed someone. You can't really have one rule for some...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 13:42:30 GMT 1
What about Dave Lee Travis. Should he be allowed to resurrect his career? or what about Ron Atkinson, he can't get near a TV studio as a pundit? I'm not saying Evans shouldn't get any job, he could even take a job in football behind the scenes, but i certainly don't think he should be allowed to ply his trade on the pitch again. So, having done his time, he could train the youth team (for which he is not qualified), but not play football (for which he is)? Interesting viewpoint that. See article - www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/12/ched-evans-rape-resume-football-career-sheffield-unitedWhere did I say that then?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 13:47:11 GMT 1
If he's a convicted rapist then I don't really think he should be allowed to go back into a job where he will be worshipped by young impressionable football fans. His professional footballing career should be over in my opinion. Why should a professional football career be different to any other career? The fact that he will earn a lot of money means he will pay a lot of it back into the economy through PAYE. He's served his time and the law says he can resume his job, whatever it may be. Personally I wouldn't want him playing for us, but Lee Hughes was allowed back after he got behind the wheel when drunk and then killed someone. You can't really have one rule for some... How much do you think it's cost the taxpayer to convict and keep him at Her Majesty's pleasure. The law might say he can resume his job, but it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. In some cases better judgement has to take preference as it will with many other people convicted of violent crimes and assaults.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 13, 2014 14:06:19 GMT 1
better judgement outside a court is not legally binding.. he is fully able to resume playing football if he sticks to the terms of the sex offenders registration..
if this country was run on 'my better judgement' then there would be a great deal of complaining from certain sections of it..
if he was a junior coach or the coach of a womens/girls team or a teacher/police officer etc etc etc then no he couldn't return to his old job as it would break his regulations now. playing football against adult males and sticking to his conditions means he certainly can return.
If the country was run on better judgement and common sense then it would be a much better place, it isn't and Evans should , in law, be allowed to play professional football.
The female support of any club who might take him on may well take a stand along with many men who take that view, the chances of him being contracted are slim to zero in this country, nobody would risk the bad pr and the potential loss of revenue.
By the way, the same applies to anyone who has served their time, if their release rules or the terms of any employment allow it.
The above is not my personal opinion on convicted criminals its just how it is. My personal opinion is a very long distance from todays laws.
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 13, 2014 14:27:46 GMT 1
Time served IMO. If someone wants to employ him, that's their legal right.
If turds like Lee Hughes can continue playing after prison then so should Evans.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Oct 13, 2014 14:30:52 GMT 1
As a female supporter it would disgust me greatly to hear any fan singing 'super Ched Evans' from the stands. Rape is a violent crime against women. Nothing super about that. For him a convicted rapist to be on a field entertaining Men, Women and Children I just find the whole idea incomprehensible and if he played for htafc and came back I wouldn't be able to be at a game whilst he was on the field. I don't begrudge him the chance to earn a wage but not in family based entertainment. IMO.
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Post by swollentoe on Oct 13, 2014 14:35:13 GMT 1
I would like to know if the sex offenders list allows him to be around young children and women as when he is in training and the stadium
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 14:36:45 GMT 1
If he'd raped a man, he wouldn't dare set foot anywhere near a football crowd, knowing he'd get destroyed by the crowd. If any club is desperate enough to employ him, hopefully the fans will treat him with similar contempt.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 13, 2014 14:56:40 GMT 1
he cannot be around women/girls in a working environment without being supervised and the same will go for all persons under 18 years of age. Its got a bit of both in it to cover sex offenders and child sex offenders.
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if Town wanted to employee a female member of staff who had made a false allegation of rape and had been convicted of the same, firstly would they have the right to know? and secondly as it wasn't common knowledge would the fans have the right to know and voice their opinions??
Because someone is 'famous' should not alter how they are dealt with, either before or after the incident.
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 13, 2014 15:35:53 GMT 1
he cannot be around women/girls in a working environment without being supervised and the same will go for all persons under 18 years of age. Its got a bit of both in it to cover sex offenders and child sex offenders. question; if Town wanted to employee a female member of staff who had made a false allegation of rape and had been convicted of the same, firstly would they have the right to know? and secondly as it wasn't common knowledge would the fans have the right to know and voice their opinions?? Because someone is 'famous' should not alter how they are dealt with, either before or after the incident. No one would demand to know and a vast majority wouldn't probably bat an eyelid if they did know. To me that is an even worse crime than the truly horrendous crime of rape. In my opinion the guy should be allowed to continue his career just as Clayton McDonald has. I know there is this petition with 90,000 signatures on who don't want him to play again, would be interesting to see how many of those signatures have actually read up on the case.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Oct 13, 2014 15:57:29 GMT 1
I've read the case - He's never apologised. Never admitted guilt. Had 2 appeals thrown out and told his girlfriend he's sorry for cheating on her. His arrogance adds insult to injury. An apology and facing up to it would go a long way to putting things right. Regardless being able to resume his life without consideration to his victim seems very cold to me. Having a convicted rapist entertaining families just doesn't sit right somehow.
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 13, 2014 16:16:57 GMT 1
I've read the case - He's never apologised. Never admitted guilt. Had 2 appeals thrown out and told his girlfriend he's sorry for cheating on her. His arrogance adds insult to injury. An apology and facing up to it would go a long way to putting things right. Regardless being able to resume his life without consideration to his victim seems very cold to me. Having a convicted rapist entertaining families just doesn't sit right somehow. He is guilty of behaving disgustingly in my opinion, however only 1 person (she doesn't remember a thing from the night)knows if he is 100% guilty, no one else was in that room. If he honestly doesn't feel like he raped her then why should he offer an apology for such an act? Just to appease the baying crowd? It's much like the Pistorious case, yes the accused is found guilty or not guilty but really they themselves are the only person who actually knows what happenned on the night in question.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 13, 2014 16:21:13 GMT 1
I've read the case - He's never apologised. Never admitted guilt. Had 2 appeals thrown out and told his girlfriend he's sorry for cheating on her. His arrogance adds insult to injury. An apology and facing up to it would go a long way to putting things right. Regardless being able to resume his life without consideration to his victim seems very cold to me. Having a convicted rapist entertaining families just doesn't sit right somehow. I understand your point and you are totally entitled to your point of view. Arrogant or not, in the eyes of the law he has served his sentence and as such is free to continue his career subject to the restrictions of being on the sex offender register. I wouldn't want him to be employed by my club but it would also be wrong to deny him the right to continue in a career in which he is skilled after he has served the sentence that was passed down onto him. It may be that the sentences need looking at but once his sentence has been served then that should be it. IMO the subject of denying career continuation could and should be addressed by the judge at sentencing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 16:52:18 GMT 1
That is a very interesting and thought provoking opinion.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 13, 2014 17:16:19 GMT 1
the very fact he is a convicted sex offender limits his ability to apply for a great number of jobs, both professional or otherwise. The judge isn't required to make any further comments or decisions on his life after the sentence.
why someone feels that being a footballer is such an exhaulted position that he cannot ever play professionally again beats me..
If your children aspire to be like Ched Evans you are doing it badly wrong.. If your kids think pop stars and footballers etc are 'better people' and they want to be like them, you are getting it badly wrong. They simply get paid a lot because of our shitty way of apportioning praise and money.
Point then in the direction of genuine people doing genuinely 'important jobs' well....
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Post by swollentoe on Oct 13, 2014 17:25:29 GMT 1
Rapists are on a par with paedos
Would you allow a paedo to continue to be a footballer ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 17:38:14 GMT 1
He'll get another club, im certain of that. What he did was awful but he's done the time given to him. As others have said if Lee Evans and Luke McCormick are allowed back in, there's no reason why Evans shouldn't be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 17:48:14 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see what happens. He will appeal the conviction and sentence. I for one hope that a club takes him on and he resumes playing for one simple reason;
it means that footballers are merely employees who do a job. They are not role models for anything other than the silly lifestyle, silly haircuts, tattoos and footballspeak and too much money for what they do. The community side of the game is mostly false and just consists of a few signatures a few platitudes and a selfie. The biggest community work isn't done by the first team and its just pr.
It might put the actual players back in their rightful place in the hierarchy of 'real and proper role models' and stop people treating them like a special case.. Evans having to be 'supervised' whilst dealing with women and being unable to coach anyone under 18 makes him EXACTLY THE SAME AS ANY ORDINARY PERSON convicted of this type of offence. During the court case they kept referring to him as the Footballer Ched Evans?? if he had been a dustbinman would they have continually introduced him as such??? Should have been Ched Evans who 'works in the Sheffield area'...
Would I have him at Town?? no, not unless his appeal is upheld. After that he is not guilty in the eyes of the law just as he is accepted as being guilty now.
Someone said he deserves a second chance?? Its not a second chance he has served him time, agree with the sentence or not, that's what he got and that's what the law allows..
BTW, none of the above is an opinion of his guilt or otherwise, I wasn't there when it happened and a court found him guilty, my opinion is therefore not important.
Problem is, a footballer is a role model-it's not something that wishful thinking can dispel.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 13, 2014 19:12:17 GMT 1
mainly poor or averagely educated lads.. listen to them speak.. im not wishful thinking, I treat them as just other workers who get praise when its deserved and stick when they are shite.. because the business they are in overpays most of them does not make them any less or more deserving of being treated exactly the same as anyone else.
the myth has disappeared a long time ago..rio 'missing' 3 drug tests and then spouting on about racism etc, hypocrite. I don't doubt for a minute he would keep a straight face as an anti dugs in sport ambassador, even now.
just lads who get paid far too much for what they do, they are not alone, the city is full of shirts earning silly money for doing little or nothing etc.. we shower money and praise on people, some of which are not worth a shit..
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Post by lochnessterrier on Oct 13, 2014 19:40:06 GMT 1
Rapists are on a par with paedos Would you allow a paedo to continue to be a footballer ? Sorry I must disagree. I would lock up a rapist but I would string up a paedo!
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Post by someguy on Oct 13, 2014 19:45:01 GMT 1
Served his time. If he wants to continue playing football and a team want to employ him as that that's their business. Of course whoever employs him will get a monumental amount of shit which is fair.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 13, 2014 19:45:50 GMT 1
Rapists are on a par with paedos Would you allow a paedo to continue to be a footballer ? Interesting point.. Would people feel the same if he had been distributing baby porn ? Or having sex with a 12 year old ? Or burgling a string of pensioners ? Does the crime matter if the time has been served ?
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Oct 13, 2014 19:47:38 GMT 1
Having read the case for the defence I would have to say that they put together a compelling argument which suggests this may be an opportunistic false allegation of rape. To be clear, I hate rape and condemn anyone guilty of it. However, I similarly despise those who may make false allegations and ruin the life of a man who, potentially, has broken no law. If this is true it also makes it harder for genuine victims to get justice. Something just doesn't ring true about it all. Have a read: www.chedevans.com/
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