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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 20, 2014 15:13:20 GMT 1
the op didn't require to say anything..
sit where you like and support how you like..
not sure its anyone else's business how you like to support or believe its a better way of supporting the club..
Im never going to knock people who turn up and pay and then (within reason and good sense) support the team..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 15:32:24 GMT 1
Have to say I agree with the OP the atmosphere wasn't great but was much better when the singing section was at the south side of kilner bank I'm pro NSL so im biased, but I completely disagree. Not sure what your basing your view on regarding the south end of the Kilner bank being better where the singing section is Firstly, the singing section still exists in the south end of the Kilner bank. And that is where the majority of the hate, abuse and trolling comes from from the likes of Liam Carter and his mates such as Brad Drake and Al Jacques. I was in the singing section for many years and believed, niavely that it was rocking and could be heard from every part of the ground until last season when chatting after match with a mate who was in the FML before the NSL had even been whispered of, he told me he never ever heard us sing from that corner and I was supprised. When the NSL got it's first trial against Charlton in the cup I was in the FML and my mate was right, the singing section couldn't be heard from the FML. I was supprised but I heard it, or didn't for that matter with my own ears. Now that I've been in the NSL for every game since, I still can't hear the singing section but yet whilst I'm in the NSL I have more fun, I stand, I sing town songs (not songs about female away fans having chlamydia and chanting shoe army), it's unreserved seating so I'm free to move about, I get to be involved in displays and so on and so on. IF I want to do that with my mates, why shouldn't I? Why should I accept trolling from immature 'fellow fans'? I don't troll fans who sit/stand anywhere else In the stadium. The singing section can do its thing from where it is if it wants to, but why do those in there think others don't have the right to enjoy themselves in the NSL? It's almost as if we are cheating on them. The NSL's aim from the start was raise the atmosphere in the stadium and from where the NSL is it has. If the south end of the ground is quiet, then the south end should sing louder. Brad Drake called the NSL cliquey, yet the NSL is the only part of the ground where you can transfer any SC in making it the most inclusive stand there is. The NSL has slowly improved, it's not faultless but do you think the cowshed was perfect? I doubt the KOP wasn't judged on less than a full season. Eventually we will have big wavy flags, drop down displays and a fuller stand. Maybe the singing will spread to the main stand and Kilner bank? I think from the start their has been a minority of fans who want the NSL to fail because fans from the perfect singing section have moved to the NSL and actually enjoyed it. If the NSL cannot be heard then maybe those who claim that should ask Chris Powell, because he seems to hear us fine and if he can hear us, I'm sure the players can.
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Post by Sio on Oct 20, 2014 15:44:55 GMT 1
Have to say I agree with the OP the atmosphere wasn't great but was much better when the singing section was at the south side of kilner bank I'm pro NSL so im biased, but I completely disagree. Not sure what your basing your view on regarding the south end of the Kilner bank being better where the singing section is Firstly, the singing section still exists in the south end of the Kilner bank. And that is where the majority of the hate, abuse and trolling comes from from the likes of Liam Carter and his mates such as Brad Drake and Al Jacques. I was in the singing section for many years and believed, niavely that it was rocking and could be heard from every part of the ground until last season when chatting after match with a mate who was in the FML before the NSL had even been whispered of, he told me he never ever heard us sing from that corner and I was supprised. When the NSL got it's first trial against Charlton in the cup I was in the FML and my mate was right, the singing section couldn't be heard from the FML. I was supprised but I heard it, or didn't for that matter with my own ears. Now that I've been in the NSL for every game since, I still can't hear the singing section but yet whilst I'm in the NSL I have more fun, I stand, I sing town songs (not songs about female away fans having chlamydia and chanting shoe army), it's unreserved seating so I'm free to move about, I get to be involved in displays and so on and so on. IF I want to do that with my mates, why shouldn't I? Why should I accept trolling from immature 'fellow fans'? I don't troll fans who sit/stand anywhere else In the stadium. The singing section can do its thing from where it is if it wants to, but why do those in there think others don't have the right to enjoy themselves in the NSL? It's almost as if we are cheating on them. The NSL's aim from the start was raise the atmosphere in the stadium and from where the NSL is it has. If the south end of the ground is quiet, then the south end should sing louder. Brad Drake called the NSL cliquey, yet the NSL is the only part of the ground where you can transfer any SC in making it the most inclusive stand there is. The NSL has slowly improved, it's not faultless but do you think the cowshed was perfect? I doubt the KOP wasn't judged on less than a full season. Eventually we will have big wavy flags, drop down displays and a fuller stand. Maybe the singing will spread to the main stand and Kilner bank? I think from the start their has been a minority of fans who want the NSL to fail because fans from the perfect singing section have moved to the NSL and actually enjoyed it. If the NSL cannot be heard then maybe those who claim that should ask Chris Powell, because he seems to hear us fine and if he can hear us, I'm sure the players can. This is a spot on summary- totally right on every point. Makes a change from your usual posts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 16:55:23 GMT 1
You only have to look at the title of the thread to see the mentality of the main critics.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 17:54:07 GMT 1
I agree with Ben except for his use of the word trolling. It's just abuse because they're no longer getting attention. Probably a middle child all of them
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 20, 2014 17:58:41 GMT 1
ignore these people, they would absolutely hate it. I think they are ignored in real life and its their only outlet to get noticed. If you ever get to meet one who has given you personal abuse then punch them in the face, you have my blessing and support to do so..
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Post by detox on Oct 20, 2014 18:05:43 GMT 1
The NSL initiative was long overdue, and a great bit of work from those involved...
I think the initial 'phase'that they are in now has been quite successful.800+fans regulars in the FML.
Having established their presence what needs to happen now is a second 'push' to get those numbers up to 1,500... This might be done with HTAFC adding some weight to it ?maybe a Xmas promo, or half SC special offer ?
I think once they get that sort of backing there will be a marked difference in the noise..
MY other thought was that to add oomph to it all, why don't the Kilner group move to the north end of the Kilner and work together with the FML ? Surely these two groups working together would make the whole north end of the stadium alive ? The days of fans bating each other across opposing stands are long gone, what we need is to rally round together for the good of HTAFC...
We'll never be able to compete with a full south stand of opposing fans, but by combining our forces at the north end we'll be getting close...I already noticed the riverside getting involved as well as the FMU fans...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 18:17:50 GMT 1
Mel Smooths birthday party in the NSL tomorrow, all welcome.
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Post by Cole on Oct 20, 2014 18:37:39 GMT 1
Mel Smooths birthday party in the NSL tomorrow, all welcome. The happy birthday tune on the megaphone should work a treat
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 18:42:31 GMT 1
Mel Smooths birthday party in the NSL tomorrow, all welcome. Have a good one.Lets hope we are all going home happy again.
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Post by Sio on Oct 20, 2014 19:20:35 GMT 1
The NSL initiative was long overdue, and a great bit of work from those involved... I think the initial 'phase'that they are in now has been quite successful.800+fans regulars in the FML. Having established their presence what needs to happen now is a second 'push' to get those numbers up to 1,500... This might be done with HTAFC adding some weight to it ?maybe a Xmas promo, or half SC special offer ? I think once they get that sort of backing there will be a marked difference in the noise.. MY other thought was that to add oomph to it all, why don't the Kilner group move to the north end of the Kilner and work together with the FML ? Surely these two groups working together would make the whole north end of the stadium alive ? The days of fans bating each other across opposing stands are long gone, what we need is to rally round together for the good of HTAFC... We'll never be able to compete with a full south stand of opposing fans, but by combining our forces at the north end we'll be getting close...I already noticed the riverside getting involved as well as the FMU fans... Unfortunately we've got too many fans who think that atmosphere is only created when shouting at the away fans. But you're right, we do need to move away from that.. We could have a really loud north end if we all worked together.
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Post by swollentoe on Oct 20, 2014 19:26:13 GMT 1
In the second half against Blackpool scannell holt and bunn all interacted with the fans behind the goal it spurs the players on when attacking to that goal
That wouldn't happen if everyone was in the Kilner end
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 20:09:46 GMT 1
If fans want a constructive healthy debate on the NSL then we should have one on here. The abuse is what prevents such debates. Detox has shown that in his post you can look forward and give ideas/opinions without abuse. It's not difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 20:18:44 GMT 1
Don't forget, Oscar Gobern sits in the North Stand, in the players bar, just incase you need to remind yourself what he looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 20:20:16 GMT 1
I have got to be honest i can hardly comprehend that this is even a debate, A group of people who have kick started something positive and to a certain extent had the clubs support and yet we have so called supporters complaining about it, The NSL is a fantastic addition to the match day experience and should and will grow the more people get behind it, The players as stated already interact and love the fans backing when playing towards that end of the ground, I want to congratulate those who kick started this NSL, I for one will continue to enjoy this as it really does add to the enjoyment of the match. UTT
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Post by roberttownblue on Oct 20, 2014 20:21:57 GMT 1
I wonder if the boys in the singing section are unhappy because the chant leaders, the one's who know more than 2 songs, have all moved to the North stand. It seems to me it's a choir without songs or a conductor
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 20:27:06 GMT 1
I wonder if the boys in the singing section are unhappy because the chant leaders, the one's who know more than 2 songs, have all moved to the North stand. It seems to me it's a choir without songs or a conductor  Amen.
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Post by thrice on Oct 20, 2014 20:42:33 GMT 1
The fans are voting with their feet.
Half a dozen of us have always gone to the game together.
I got myself a season ticket in the North Stand while all the others renewed their tickets in the Kilner Bank. Yet I cannot get rid of the buggers every week now!
You are doing just great, keep enjoying yourselves & let others worry about themselves.
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Post by impact on Oct 20, 2014 20:58:54 GMT 1
I've got no issues with people going in there, having a good time with their mates. It isn't for me mainly due to the view, particularly the sun getting right in your eyes, but I can see why it is perfect for other people. However, imo it has not helped the atmosphere. I sit just past the edge of the D in the south half and you can barely hear the guys. You can see them singing but don't hear anything; Blackpool were making all the noise on Saturday. The guys left in the Kilner gave it a stab with mixed success but it just seems to have split the singers up.
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Post by thrice on Oct 20, 2014 21:04:11 GMT 1
I've got no issues with people going in there, having a good time with their mates. It isn't for me mainly due to the view, particularly the sun getting right in your eyes, but I can see why it is perfect for other people. However, imo it has not helped the atmosphere. I sit just past the edge of the D in the south half and you can barely hear the guys. You can see them singing but don't hear anything; Blackpool were making all the noise on Saturday. The guys left in the Kilner gave it a stab with mixed success but it just seems to have split the singers up. We don't go in there to entertain anybody else but for our part if we were not in the North Stand we certainly would not be in the singing section anyway & I'm sure that must goes for many others that now choose to go in there.
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Post by allthewhile on Oct 20, 2014 21:05:22 GMT 1
Are we getting the pack-a-macs out tomorrow?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 21:14:38 GMT 1
I've got no issues with people going in there, having a good time with their mates. It isn't for me mainly due to the view, particularly the sun getting right in your eyes, but I can see why it is perfect for other people. However, imo it has not helped the atmosphere. I sit just past the edge of the D in the south half and you can barely hear the guys. You can see them singing but don't hear anything; Blackpool were making all the noise on Saturday. The guys left in the Kilner gave it a stab with mixed success but it just seems to have split the singers up. As I said earlier in one of my posts, a mate of mine who sat in the north stand pre NSL couldn't hear us in the singing section, what makes you think that's any differant now? The atmosphere is brilliant now at the north end of the ground, just because you can hear the NSL from the south end doesn't mean it's failing it's objective, it means the fans in the south end of the ground who think the atmosphere isn't good enough need to pipe up... Or shut up moaning.
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Post by impact on Oct 20, 2014 21:24:08 GMT 1
I've got no issues with people going in there, having a good time with their mates. It isn't for me mainly due to the view, particularly the sun getting right in your eyes, but I can see why it is perfect for other people. However, imo it has not helped the atmosphere. I sit just past the edge of the D in the south half and you can barely hear the guys. You can see them singing but don't hear anything; Blackpool were making all the noise on Saturday. The guys left in the Kilner gave it a stab with mixed success but it just seems to have split the singers up. As I said earlier in one of my posts, a mate of mine who sat in the north stand pre NSL couldn't hear us in the singing section, what makes you think that's any differant now? The atmosphere is brilliant now at the north end of the ground, just because you can hear the NSL from the south end doesn't mean it's failing it's objective, it means the fans in the south end of the ground who think the atmosphere isn't good enough need to pipe up... Or shut up moaning. These are the type of posts that can annoy people who aren't part of the north stand loyal. I wasn't 'moaning', just saying it how it is from my point of view. Just because someone else doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean they're wrong. As for your mate, I don't know, I don't think I've sat behind that goal before. I have sat in the north half top tier of the direct golf when those golden tickets came out and I could hear them then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 21:57:59 GMT 1
As I said earlier in one of my posts, a mate of mine who sat in the north stand pre NSL couldn't hear us in the singing section, what makes you think that's any differant now? The atmosphere is brilliant now at the north end of the ground, just because you can hear the NSL from the south end doesn't mean it's failing it's objective, it means the fans in the south end of the ground who think the atmosphere isn't good enough need to pipe up... Or shut up moaning. These are the type of posts that can annoy people who aren't part of the north stand loyal. I wasn't 'moaning', just saying it how it is from my point of view. Just because someone else doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean they're wrong. As for your mate, I don't know, I don't think I've sat behind that goal before. I have sat in the north half top tier of the direct golf when those golden tickets came out and I could hear them then. But it's no differant to say 2 seasons ago when a fan sat in the FML couldn't hear the singing section in the Kilner bank. You say that posts like mine can annoy those not in the NSL, fans who keep saying we can't hear the NSL is just as annoying.
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Post by impact on Oct 20, 2014 22:07:16 GMT 1
These are the type of posts that can annoy people who aren't part of the north stand loyal. I wasn't 'moaning', just saying it how it is from my point of view. Just because someone else doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean they're wrong. As for your mate, I don't know, I don't think I've sat behind that goal before. I have sat in the north half top tier of the direct golf when those golden tickets came out and I could hear them then. But it's no differant to say 2 seasons ago when a fan sat in the FML couldn't hear the singing section in the Kilner bank. You say that posts like mine can annoy those not in the NSL, fans who keep saying we can't hear the NSL is just as annoying. Luke I said I don't know, I've never sat in there. And why? People are just saying how they feel. I accept that some people are having a go for no reason but I clearly wasn't doing that. However I still got an aggressive response. I said I have no issues with people going I there but it isn't for me. It's fine defending your position but the way some people are doing it is causing a divide.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 22:09:08 GMT 1
You've got to decide what the yardstick is as well. I wasn't at the charlton match but I understand the atmosphere was rocking. Have we ever had a rocking atmosphere against Charlton before? Is it because we were playing well? Is it because Lillis was manager? Is it because the NSL helped initiate singing all around the ground? Lots of variables. It's unfair to judge the atmosphere pre NSL, using memories of a great game, unless you use similair criteria to compare what it us like now. What is clear, is that the atmosphere IN the NSL is considerably better than it has been for some time in all other areas of the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 22:37:57 GMT 1
But it's no differant to say 2 seasons ago when a fan sat in the FML couldn't hear the singing section in the Kilner bank. You say that posts like mine can annoy those not in the NSL, fans who keep saying we can't hear the NSL is just as annoying. Luke I said I don't know, I've never sat in there. And why? People are just saying how they feel. I accept that some people are having a go for no reason but I clearly wasn't doing that. However I still got an aggressive response. I said I have no issues with people going I there but it isn't for me. It's fine defending your position but the way some people are doing it is causing a divide. Hold on a minute, aggressive response? Since when did I respond aggressively towards you? Regarding what I said about fans south of the half way line, that's how I feel. It may annoy those who don't go in the NSL but fans saying they can't hear the NSL annoys those in who go in the NSL. I'm giving you my opinion just as you are. This dividing opinion thing seems to be that those in the NSL are not allowed to defend criticism because that would cause divide yet any fan outside of the NSL is entitled to say what they want and how they want. The NSL group have been fighting the fans side of things since the end of May trying to improve catering facilities through te stadium, tackling heavy stewarding and better match day experiences. This divide statement couldn't be further from the truth.The NSL isn't just focused on the NS.
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Post by scoffsablue on Oct 20, 2014 22:52:32 GMT 1
But it's no differant to say 2 seasons ago when a fan sat in the FML couldn't hear the singing section in the Kilner bank. You say that posts like mine can annoy those not in the NSL, fans who keep saying we can't hear the NSL is just as annoying. Luke I said I don't know, I've never sat in there. And why? People are just saying how they feel. I accept that some people are having a go for no reason but I clearly wasn't doing that. However I still got an aggressive response. I said I have no issues with people going I there but it isn't for me. It's fine defending your position but the way some people are doing it is causing a divide. Stop playing the badly done to one by detracting from the facts and then looking to take it personally as if you've been badly done to....you are quite simply re-creating the details of the posts you're replying to, to make sense of yours...If you've nothing remotely interesting, never mind truthful to say then say nothing...
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Post by detox on Oct 21, 2014 8:25:45 GMT 1
The NSL initiative was long overdue, and a great bit of work from those involved... I think the initial 'phase'that they are in now has been quite successful.800+fans regulars in the FML. Having established their presence what needs to happen now is a second 'push' to get those numbers up to 1,500... This might be done with HTAFC adding some weight to it ?maybe a Xmas promo, or half SC special offer ? I think once they get that sort of backing there will be a marked difference in the noise.. MY other thought was that to add oomph to it all, why don't the Kilner group move to the north end of the Kilner and work together with the FML ? Surely these two groups working together would make the whole north end of the stadium alive ? The days of fans bating each other across opposing stands are long gone, what we need is to rally round together for the good of HTAFC... We'll never be able to compete with a full south stand of opposing fans, but by combining our forces at the north end we'll be getting close...I already noticed the riverside getting involved as well as the FMU fans... Unfortunately we've got too many fans who think that atmosphere is only created when shouting at the away fans. But you're right, we do need to move away from that.. We could have a really loud north end if we all worked together. It just seems so 1970'ish to me...most clubs fans have moved on from this tribal behaviour and concentrated their forces to backing theri own teams rather than spending all the game exchanging abuse with visiting fans..The Kilner fans need to move on, grow up and join forces with the rest of the home fans in creating a solid backing of our team. The North end of the Kilner is usually pretty empty ...why don't they try it for half a game by moving down there at half time when Town are attacking that end...I've always moved seats at half time when I've been in the Kilner stand so I can see the Town attack, in fact a few other fans also do this..just give it a try, they might even like it ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 9:02:11 GMT 1
I've got no issues with people going in there, having a good time with their mates. It isn't for me mainly due to the view, particularly the sun getting right in your eyes, but I can see why it is perfect for other people. However, imo it has not helped the atmosphere. I sit just past the edge of the D in the south half and you can barely hear the guys. You can see them singing but don't hear anything; Blackpool were making all the noise on Saturday. The guys left in the Kilner gave it a stab with mixed success but it just seems to have split the singers up. Why does that mean it has not helped the atmosphere? What you mean, and what most folk seem to mean is "its not positively enhanced what *I* hear at the ground from *MY* seat. It would probably be fair to say also that its not magically sucked any noise AWAY from where you sit?? The NSL surely only has a positive or no impact on atmosphere depending on where you sit, therefore why would anyone complain?? At the edge of the D in the north half, youre unlikely to be able to hear the away fans, but probably would hear the NSL people. Its positive Town supporting noise in a different part of the stadium, whats not to like? Sure, its not for everyone, thats why less than 10% of home fans are going in there, but (and this isnt aimed at you, youve made a perfectly reasonable post), there does seem to be a "its not for me therefore its shit" mindset. The Riverside Upper north end is hardly a wall of sound, but nobody seems to slate that area?! I think what we all need to realise is that this is a big stadium, half empty, and peoples match day experience is completely different in various different parts of the ground, but nobodys experience is "better" or "worse", theyre just different. Most fans have probably onky sat in one seat since day one, which I believe is part of the problem, folk are resistent to change....I think if you had to go on a one year tour of the ground, rotating through the stands, picking random seats, people would get less precious about ownership of "their" seat, and youd see more lositive general support for the NSL. You can tell how goals are celebrated where the pockets of support are from, players who score at the south end TEND to peel off towards the Kilner Bank, players who score down the north end TEND to go over the goal line towards the North Stand.
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