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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 19, 2014 15:38:47 GMT 1
Our angriest striker is Holt hands down He was set to explode on several occasions yesterday! If I was as big and strong as him, I think I would have exploded several times with the way the ref handled the match and challenges on him particularly. At the end of the game he went up and spoke to the ref, but he didn't look too nasty about it. As it is Lee Peltier rushed out and probably saved the refs life by dragging Holty away. Christ we have had some terrible refs this season. Why do they always seem like 'awayers' as opposed to'homers' Do they all remember Alan Lee and his reputation and equate that to our wonderfully fair club? It's not just this season we've been getting terrible refs but i get what you're saying.
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Post by thrice on Oct 19, 2014 15:41:49 GMT 1
Our angriest striker is Holt hands down He was set to explode on several occasions yesterday! If I was as big and strong as him, I think I would have exploded several times with the way the ref handled the match and challenges on him particularly. At the end of the game he went up and spoke to the ref, but he didn't look too nasty about it. As it is Lee Peltier rushed out and probably saved the refs life by dragging Holty away. Christ we have had some terrible refs this season. Why do they always seem like 'awayers' as opposed to'homers' Do they all remember Alan Lee and his reputation and equate that to our wonderfully fair club? It was our players on the end of his ire. If he asks for the ball I would give it to him sharpish & just where he wants it.
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Post by terrierfortythree on Oct 19, 2014 15:59:38 GMT 1
would expect him to play tuesday, think his omission is down to an old lee clark favorite...squad rotation
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 19, 2014 16:22:35 GMT 1
Agree but was confused why he didnt come on. Maybe powell was doing a bit of man management bringing paterson in from the cold and giving him a go Only thing is it begs the question, what games will powell feel right for wells and holt to start together, given this was a home game vs bottom of the league? (not that im complaining as it worked) This is what I was thinking. It was more beneficial for Paterson coming on as a sub as it would have been for Wells. Plus the first thing Patto did was put one of their centre backs on his arse Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 19, 2014 16:50:08 GMT 1
would expect him to play tuesday, think his omission is down to an old lee clark favorite...squad rotation Why would you expect him to play ad who would you be leaving out?
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Post by terrierfortythree on Oct 19, 2014 18:53:04 GMT 1
would expect him to play tuesday, think his omission is down to an old lee clark favorite...squad rotation Why would you expect him to play ad who would you be leaving out? wouldn't surprise me if any one of the attacking 3 are rotated or possibly a change in shape with one of the centre midfielders making way for 2 up top
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 19:28:38 GMT 1
He isn't overrated he's quality.. Powell chose to go one up top .. no story here Agree but was confused why he didnt come on. Maybe powell was doing a bit of man management bringing paterson in from the cold and giving him a go Only thing is it begs the question, what games will powell feel right for wells and holt to start together, given this was a home game vs bottom of the league? (not that im complaining as it worked) Good point, another way of looking at it is, what game will it be suitable to Drop Bunn and Scannell? The way they are playing, it could be a while until Town play 2 strikers together. I actually think he brought Patterson on because he has played as a wide forward/winger before, unlike Wells.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 19:31:23 GMT 1
I am not gonna second guess what might happen re who plays and when, Powell has gained my trust and faith even at this early stage, I am buzzing with what he has done since he arrived.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Oct 19, 2014 19:46:37 GMT 1
We're finally (sort of) in a position where we have a squad that can be tweaked to give us the best tactics and chance of winning, and that's what Powell is doing. He said himself that he'd be rotating the squad this week considering we have 3 games. Some games he will want to play a lone striker and to have extra men in the midfield, so in that case Holt would be the best man for the job. Some games he'll think 2 strikers are best, so it's Holt and Wells, as it was at Blackburn.
I don't know what OP sees but to me Nahki looks like a hard worker and a team player, and to me it can only be a good sign if we're now in a position to be able to bench our record-signing striker who had just scored 2 goals the game before. Last season when Vaughan got injured all the pressure was put on him to score and that can't be good, maybe now that there are other serious goal threats he can relax and play his natural game, which is what we all want.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 19, 2014 20:12:50 GMT 1
Why would you expect him to play ad who would you be leaving out? wouldn't surprise me if any one of the attacking 3 are rotated or possibly a change in shape with one of the centre midfielders making way for 2 up top I'd leave it as it is until he needs to change it.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 19, 2014 20:52:20 GMT 1
The sooner Holt & Wells start playing together & building a partnership the better for me. Who do you drop to make room for him? Bunn or Scannell ? Those 2 have been our best players in recent weeks and neither deserves dropping for Wells. He'll have to just wait for an injury or a dip in form and then play so well he can't be left out. Its not great for him but for Town its fantastic that we can be in a situation where our record signing can't get a start because his competition in the squad are doing so well. On a side note, I think we may have unearthed a real gem in Bunn. Can see him being right up there with the divisions top scorers if he keeps his place. In fact Im more confident he would be than Wells if they both played all the games. Town will be getting some decent bids for Bunn soon I reckon.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 19, 2014 20:59:10 GMT 1
Another non story, Wells is class! We had a quality bench yesterday!
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Post by thrice on Oct 19, 2014 21:06:55 GMT 1
The sooner Holt & Wells start playing together & building a partnership the better for me. Who do you drop to make room for him? Bunn or Scannell ? Those 2 have been our best players in recent weeks and neither deserves dropping for Wells. He'll have to just wait for an injury or a dip in form and then play so well he can't be left out. Its not great for him but for Town its fantastic that we can be in a situation where our record signing can't get a start because his competition in the squad are doing so well. On a side note, I think we may have unearthed a real gem in Bunn. Can see him being right up there with the divisions top scorers if he keeps his place. In fact Im more confident he would be than Wells if they both played all the games. Town will be getting some decent bids for Bunn soon I reckon. Why was he ever dropped then! Either or, but I think that we need our record signing & most potent goal threat on the field & building a partnership with the man we waited so long to arrive for him. It is a nice problem to have though.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 19, 2014 21:19:24 GMT 1
It is. Dropped isn't the right word as it implies he hadn't been playing very well. Hed been doing 'ok', not pulling up any trees, but 'ok'. Wells might be our record signing, but IMO Bunn is our most potent goal threat. He just looks like scoring whenever he has half a chance.
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Post by Giggity on Oct 19, 2014 22:23:33 GMT 1
He isn't overrated he's quality.. Powell chose to go one up top .. no story here He is. Very limited player outside of the box. Neither has the presence nor the technical ability to lead the line. Can't see us making a big profit on him.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 19, 2014 22:27:57 GMT 1
Horses for courses. Interested why you think he "looks a right moody twat" though. He's clearly the exact opposite.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 19, 2014 22:29:23 GMT 1
He's not a "line leader". In a front two alongside the right man he will score goals at championship level. Scored two and looked the part in his last full appearance for us. It depends on how high you presume he is rated I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 23:06:43 GMT 1
would expect him to play tuesday, think his omission is down to an old lee clark favorite...squad rotation Sorry, but I don't think it's anything to do with squad rotation. Think it's to do with a winning formula/formation, and whilst we're winning Wells will be out of the starting line-up. He'll be needed down the line though, no doubt about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 23:53:23 GMT 1
Get him sold and recoup some money all of which you can either use to recruit Holt or a similar type of player.
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Oct 19, 2014 23:57:07 GMT 1
would expect him to play tuesday, think his omission is down to an old lee clark favorite...squad rotation The DATM legend is that Lee Clark rotated a bingo machine.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 20, 2014 8:45:06 GMT 1
He isn't overrated he's quality.. Powell chose to go one up top .. no story here He is. Very limited player outside of the box. Neither has the presence nor the technical ability to lead the line. Can't see us making a big profit on him. Apart from the profit bit that sounds like someone we got £8m for ;D Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 20, 2014 9:32:22 GMT 1
I never got this idea Rhodes was poor outside the box. I thought his hold up play and link play was excellent. Vastly better than Wells's is IMO.
Im on the side of those saying hes a bit over rated. Hes had some great games but a lot of poor ones too. His workrate earns him a lot of friends but technically he has a lot of improving to do yet IMO.
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Post by smith242 on Oct 20, 2014 13:20:55 GMT 1
I don't think it's anything to do with Nahki's ability and is purely down to formation.
I see it as more of a 4-2-3-1 with the back four being obvious
Coady Hogg Scanz Butts Bunn Holt
It's a very similar formation to the way Crystal Palace got promoted to the Prem. They played 4-2-3-1 with Zaha and Bolasie as the fast wingers and Glenn Murray as the big forward that was able to win the balls in the middle. He scored 30 goals that year. I believe PSG do a similar formation with the likes of lavezzi playing wide and ibrahimovic in the middle.
It means your midfield and defence are strong in numbers but rely on a big man and a presence to play up top. Nahki is clearly class, he's just not that man.
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Post by pieeater on Oct 20, 2014 13:26:32 GMT 1
The sooner Holt & Wells start playing together & building a partnership the better for me. Who do you drop to make room for him? Bunn or Scannell ? Those 2 have been our best players in recent weeks and neither deserves dropping for Wells. He'll have to just wait for an injury or a dip in form and then play so well he can't be left out. Its not great for him but for Town its fantastic that we can be in a situation where our record signing can't get a start because his competition in the squad are doing so well. On a side note, I think we may have unearthed a real gem in Bunn. Can see him being right up there with the divisions top scorers if he keeps his place. In fact Im more confident he would be than Wells if they both played all the games. Town will be getting some decent bids for Bunn soon I reckon. A very interesting question is how we might line up if we keep Holt for longer and manage to get Vaughan fit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 13:33:16 GMT 1
Simple, Wells cant lead the line with one up top... No-one can argue with that, He tried his best, but just couldn't manage physically. So now he only features in a 2 upfront formation off a big man.
He will get plenty of opportunity this season, we are still working on tightening defensively, so wont play 2 up that often at the moment, once thats resolved we will change it around, He may start in a 4-4-2 or 352 on Tuesday.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 20, 2014 13:38:03 GMT 1
its not about the 'line up' its about having options that then give you a strong bench, a championship quality bench.
we haven't had the back up or the ability to change games and its looking much more promising now. lots of teams in this division have players on the bench who may well get a start elsewhere, its about time town had something similar.
keeping Holt and having Vaughan back means neither have to play every game or even a full game. Wells to come on means we can change it or add something extra to the attack if required. Majewski is the same and hopefully Hammill will give us a fresh wideman running with the ball if required. Gerrard to come on isn't a bad centre half replacement in anyones books.
If we continue to get results then the bench players cant argue about not getting a start which is very different from when we couldn't win in 12 and obviously the non starters get very pissed off about not playing. Powell appears to see it as a squad game with players being involved and it looks like they will get a chance under him, this bodes well, continually having to fight for your starting place looks like a bloody good idea..
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Post by terrierfortythree on Oct 20, 2014 14:09:29 GMT 1
wouldn't surprise me if any one of the attacking 3 are rotated or possibly a change in shape with one of the centre midfielders making way for 2 up top I'd leave it as it is until he needs to change it. I agree however with 3 games this week i can see a couple of changes at some point
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Post by terrierfortythree on Oct 20, 2014 14:11:08 GMT 1
would expect him to play tuesday, think his omission is down to an old lee clark favorite...squad rotation Sorry, but I don't think it's anything to do with squad rotation. Think it's to do with a winning formula/formation, and whilst we're winning Wells will be out of the starting line-up. He'll be needed down the line though, no doubt about it. he scored the 2 goals to beat milwall at the start of this little run were on, and was out of the team for the next game at wolves...clear example of squad rotation
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 20, 2014 14:17:40 GMT 1
Sorry, but I don't think it's anything to do with squad rotation. Think it's to do with a winning formula/formation, and whilst we're winning Wells will be out of the starting line-up. He'll be needed down the line though, no doubt about it. he scored the 2 goals to beat milwall at the start of this little run were on, and was out of the team for the next game at wolves...clear example of squad rotation Its nothing to do with squad rotation. CP changed to a different system.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 20, 2014 14:18:32 GMT 1
I'd leave it as it is until he needs to change it. I agree however with 3 games this week i can see a couple of changes at some point They have just had two weeks holiday!
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