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Post by Tinpot on Oct 22, 2014 7:57:27 GMT 1
Bizarre in the Champions league...i backed 2 draws...Bayern lead 5-0 at half-time and Donetsk 6-0!! Had a 6 team £2 accy last Saturday and only 1 result let me down-I had SOUTHAMPTON V SUNDERLAND as a draw Ooh, so close.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 22, 2014 8:20:52 GMT 1
Anyone have a decent view of their goal? Players seemed to be indicating it was hand ball. Sat in FMU and it looked like a clear hand ball to me, but you know what it's like - the fog of war, too busy chanting........ Glad to see Hogg is finally getting credit, although I guess Frankiesleftpeg will be along soon to tell me I'm wrong! Thought Bunn played well tonight as well, but agree - at 1-1 with 15 to go we could have taken it to them, what was at stake after all - we could only lose 1 pt at that stage? We looked out of fuel for the last 15, amazed CP didn't freshen it up, but Ward was too late to have an impact & I'd like to have seen Wells get a run out for 10 mins. Still relatively pleased with a point. Two tough games to come and I'd be happy with anything more than 1 pt from both games - Forest roasted us in the cup a few weeks back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 8:57:27 GMT 1
I think a draw was a fair result. We again looked very dangerous going forward, especially first half where Butterfield was at his scheming best. Great work from Scannell and Smith for the goal which was sweetly put away by Jacob. There was another couple of crosses that flashed across goal and both Bunn and Scannell were getting joy in that first half. Also, Butterfield first winning the ball back then dancing through their midfield before getting hauled down. During that period I had my first "we could do something special this season" thought. Seriously. But it was soon after that where Brighton started to push us back and although I felt the corner for their goal wasn't a corner (there was a push on Hudson I think) and it looked like handball when they did score, I have to say it'd been coming a bit. We seemed to retreat and were less comfortable in possession. Second half wasn't great, not for either side to be fair. Couple of long range efforts for both but little else. Performance wise, I think Butterfield edged MOM for me over Hogg. Robinson and Smith were good, and Scannell again looked a threat for the most part. Disappointed with Coady slightly, didn't get involved enough for me, and Holt had a bit of a stinker all being said. Too much whingeing and not enough thinking. Twice he ought to have laid the ball off for Butterfield and Scannell but chose the greedy option and the chances went. I expected earlier subs. Bunn and Scannell looked tired, and as said, Holt wasn't having a great time of it. But I reckon CP saw a point as a decent result and didn't want to risk losing that. Negative? I can see others suggesting so. But not for me. More like realistic. The decent form/run continues. Looking forward to Ipswich now. UTT Funny how we all see things differently. Coady is a player who does the simple things all match long, never the spectacular, keeps it ticking over. Easy to think he's not involved when what he's doing isn't showy. Fast becoming my favourite player. Thought he had another very good game.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 22, 2014 9:07:19 GMT 1
POST MATCH REACTION Chris Powell link
POST MATCH REACTION Tommy Smith link
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 9:11:20 GMT 1
Impressive interview with Tommy Smith, sounds like a really sensible lad.
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Post by OldRastrickian on Oct 22, 2014 9:14:33 GMT 1
Surprising how little there is on the site about last night's game.....apart from this (fairly short) thread, nowt else.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 22, 2014 9:28:31 GMT 1
Surprising how little there is on the site about last night's game.....apart from this (fairly short) thread, nowt else. Little to moan about. It's easier to express dissatisfaction than satisfaction - the latter is what people expect as the norm so it leads to fewer comments. Although the negative stuff gets too much on here at times, quiet satisfaction doesn't generate an equal amount of positivity. Just the way of the world. Having said that, we are looking like a solid mid table side and that's a pretty remarkable transformation in a few short weeks.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 10:28:37 GMT 1
Surprising how little there is on the site about last night's game.....apart from this (fairly short) thread, nowt else. Little to moan about. It's easier to express dissatisfaction than satisfaction - the latter is what people expect as the norm so it leads to fewer comments. Although the negative stuff gets too much on here at times, quiet satisfaction doesn't generate an equal amount of positivity. Just the way of the world. Having said that, we are looking like a solid mid table side and that's a pretty remarkable transformation in a few short weeks. What do you think it would take to make the next little transition from looking like a solid mid table side to looking like a play off contender? I guess we'll see in the next few weeks if we get anything in terms of points and/or competitive performances from Ipswich, Forest and Derby. Despite the success of Holt - I think a rampant Vaughan for 3 months would help us up to a higher level in this div.
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Post by captainblack on Oct 22, 2014 10:30:03 GMT 1
I think we'll see some changes for Ipswich. The front three all looked very tired in the last 15 mins, so I don't think that a third game in the space of a week will do them any good. Especially Scannell and Holt, neither of whom has played many full 90 minutes until recently. Not sure what Powell will do but I expect ward to come in for Holt, or maybe 4-4-2 with ward and wells, but that's risky away from home I really hope Powell does not alter the team for Saturdays game against Ipswich although the front three looked tired . I just think subs should have been brought on a little earlier . The trouble is we do not we do not have anyone in the same mould as Holt to bring on while Vaughan is still injured. Solid performance , well done Town.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 10:34:34 GMT 1
Whuch might just have left us wide open to quick break from Brighton if we had swapped to two up font and gone 4 4 4 3. Actually I'd love us to go with 15 outfield players dyslexia with numbers
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 22, 2014 10:55:11 GMT 1
Little to moan about. It's easier to express dissatisfaction than satisfaction - the latter is what people expect as the norm so it leads to fewer comments. Although the negative stuff gets too much on here at times, quiet satisfaction doesn't generate an equal amount of positivity. Just the way of the world. Having said that, we are looking like a solid mid table side and that's a pretty remarkable transformation in a few short weeks. What do you think it would take to make the next little transition from looking like a solid mid table side to looking like a play off contender? I guess we'll see in the next few weeks if we get anything in terms of points and/or competitive performances from Ipswich, Forest and Derby. Despite the success of Holt - I think a rampant Vaughan for 3 months would help us up to a higher level in this div. I worry that Holt is a short term, if effective, solution to the obvious early season (and last season) problem and that Vaughan is a permanently short term solution. It's an expensive position to get right. Our bench looked a little threadbare last night and even the record signing on it was unlikely to effectively replace a slightly disappointing Holt in the second half. Overall, elevation to mid table, competitive status is a pretty big step forward but I'm expecting a dose of reality in the next few weeks (though I think we have a decent shout at Portman Road). In short; no idea!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 10:58:05 GMT 1
No complaints overall of last night apart from Holt.Sorry IMO he can't half moan and be petulant .Come on now no more just concentrate on playing
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 11:05:41 GMT 1
I think we'll see some changes for Ipswich. The front three all looked very tired in the last 15 mins, so I don't think that a third game in the space of a week will do them any good. Especially Scannell and Holt, neither of whom has played many full 90 minutes until recently. Not sure what Powell will do but I expect ward to come in for Holt, or maybe 4-4-2 with ward and wells, but that's risky away from home I really hope Powell does not alter the team for Saturdays game against Ipswich although the front three looked tired . I just think subs should have been brought on a little earlier . The trouble is we do not we do not have anyone in the same mould as Holt to bring on while Vaughan is still injured. Solid performance , well done Town. Agreed. I doubt Holt would be rested v Ipswich. There is even talk of Norwich fans coming to watch him and he will get a very hostile reception - so worth having him in just for that! I think Paterson could do a job in the Holt position for the last 30 minutes if Holt looks peaky at Ipswich. Not sure how Ipswich line up - I thought they were a 4-4-2 team but last night they had 3 big forwards on in McGoldrick, Murphy and Sammon. CP's use of subs is getting a bit puzzling - I think we'll need to use them at Ipswich if we start with the same starting 11 for 3 games in a row.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 11:10:41 GMT 1
What do you think it would take to make the next little transition from looking like a solid mid table side to looking like a play off contender? I guess we'll see in the next few weeks if we get anything in terms of points and/or competitive performances from Ipswich, Forest and Derby. Despite the success of Holt - I think a rampant Vaughan for 3 months would help us up to a higher level in this div. I worry that Holt is a short term, if effective, solution to the obvious early season (and last season) problem and that Vaughan is a permanently short term solution. It's an expensive position to get right. Our bench looked a little threadbare last night and even the record signing on it was unlikely to effectively replace a slightly disappointing Holt in the second half. Overall, elevation to mid table, competitive status is a pretty big step forward but I'm expecting a dose of reality in the next few weeks (though I think we have a decent shout at Portman Road). In short; no idea!Yes you have identified the main issue. Its a shame non of these academy lads seem to be in the Booth/Jepson/Holt mould as it would be ideal to have a young, thrusting one of those on the bench. (its a bit strange our academy has never produced a big strapping centre forward post Boothy - do they screen them out as 11 year olds) In short I've got no idea either - but at least I think we are all enjoying it now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 11:27:32 GMT 1
No complaints overall of last night apart from Holt.Sorry IMO he can't half moan and be petulant .Come on now no more just concentrate on playing its all about putting pressure on the oficialls and opponents they all do it its part of the game. dont be nieve
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 11:30:42 GMT 1
No complaints overall of last night apart from Holt.Sorry IMO he can't half moan and be petulant .Come on now no more just concentrate on playing its all about putting pressure on the oficialls and opponents they all do it its part of the game. dont be nieve I'd rather they put the pressure on the opposing defenders.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 22, 2014 11:35:20 GMT 1
No complaints overall of last night apart from Holt.Sorry IMO he can't half moan and be petulant .Come on now no more just concentrate on playing its all about putting pressure on the oficialls and opponents they all do it its part of the game. dont be nieve He was doing plenty of moaning at his team-mates too.
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Post by townatheart on Oct 22, 2014 11:53:18 GMT 1
Little to moan about. It's easier to express dissatisfaction than satisfaction - the latter is what people expect as the norm so it leads to fewer comments. Although the negative stuff gets too much on here at times, quiet satisfaction doesn't generate an equal amount of positivity. Just the way of the world. Having said that, we are looking like a solid mid table side and that's a pretty remarkable transformation in a few short weeks. What do you think it would take to make the next little transition from looking like a solid mid table side to looking like a play off contender? I guess we'll see in the next few weeks if we get anything in terms of points and/or competitive performances from Ipswich, Forest and Derby. Despite the success of Holt - I think a rampant Vaughan for 3 months would help us up to a higher level in this div. indeed, those next three matches are a bit daunting, and will be a serious test of where we are at.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 12:03:28 GMT 1
No complaints overall of last night apart from Holt.Sorry IMO he can't half moan and be petulant .Come on now no more just concentrate on playing its all about putting pressure on the oficialls and opponents they all do it its part of the game. dont be nieve I don`t think you can call my opinion naive.It was just as I saw it and I don`t need specsavers.He s without doubt exactly what we need whilst JV is unavailable BUT I worry that he will get sent off because of his somewhat, at times, moaning and petulance.We need him badly but without the atttributes that mean we could be without him .IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 12:05:14 GMT 1
No complaints overall of last night apart from Holt.Sorry IMO he can't half moan and be petulant .Come on now no more just concentrate on playing its all about putting pressure on the oficialls and opponents they all do it its part of the game. dont be nieve Not if it ultimately costs us his expensive services. So no Alan Lee antics please Grant Holt.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Oct 22, 2014 13:05:10 GMT 1
Surprising how little there is on the site about last night's game.....apart from this (fairly short) thread, nowt else. Little to moan about. It's easier to express dissatisfaction than satisfaction - the latter is what people expect as the norm so it leads to fewer comments. Although the negative stuff gets too much on here at times, quiet satisfaction doesn't generate an equal amount of positivity. Just the way of the world. Having said that, we are looking like a solid mid table side and that's a pretty remarkable transformation in a few short weeks. You wouldn't have thought so listen to some of the people behind me, in particular the old pillock who will not be happy unless we score once every five minutes.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 22, 2014 13:18:08 GMT 1
Little to moan about. It's easier to express dissatisfaction than satisfaction - the latter is what people expect as the norm so it leads to fewer comments. Although the negative stuff gets too much on here at times, quiet satisfaction doesn't generate an equal amount of positivity. Just the way of the world. Having said that, we are looking like a solid mid table side and that's a pretty remarkable transformation in a few short weeks. You wouldn't have thought so listen to some of the people behind me, in particular the old pillock who will not be happy unless we score once every five minutes.Yeah sorry about that mate, didn't realise I sat near you.
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Post by Amigo on Oct 22, 2014 13:37:44 GMT 1
its all about putting pressure on the oficialls and opponents they all do it its part of the game. dont be nieve He was doing plenty of moaning at his team-mates too. Good. It makes a nice change instead of the usual shrug of the shoulders, head down, walk off when a player doesn't do what he should. At least it shows he's passionate and that will rub off on others. As for the complaining at the referee he did do it a lot last night but in my opinion that's his experience, if he get's pulled down in the area late on the ref is more likely to give it if Holt has been complaining about similar things all game, I'm not saying it's right or not frustrating to watch but he's experienced enough throughout the leagues to know what he's doing.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Oct 22, 2014 13:43:43 GMT 1
Depends what you mean by more adventurous!!!?? If you mean get the ball forward at every opportunity like the people around us, then no!! Thought we controlled the game better in the 2nd half by keeping possession, which frustrated many but meant they couldn't dictate as much as they did in the 1st! It s just different ways of playing- we ain't gonna blow teams away like Blackpool like many expect!!! Agree mate don't want hoofmar football thought he might have changed formation or brought subs (wells) on
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Post by Headless Chicken on Oct 22, 2014 14:13:26 GMT 1
You wouldn't have thought so listen to some of the people behind me, in particular the old pillock who will not be happy unless we score once every five minutes.Yeah sorry about that mate, didn't realise I sat near you. You aren't as thick as this bloke, who genuinely looks a bit like a clown.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 22, 2014 15:48:35 GMT 1
whatever cp says about how brighton set up and play, we had 20/25 minutes in the first half playing attack and defence. We intentionally brought pressure on ourselves as part of the gameplan?. You could see the goal coming and it came from a corner which was given away by just being too deep. Its a percentage game at times and the longer you spend in your own half/own box the more chance there is of conceding better chances and ergo, goals.
scannell and bunn were instructed to come deep and cover their full backs who play high up the pitch?? one midfielder cover across and allow bunn or scannell to push up and get into their space???
poor old scannell and bunn getting the ball and being left on their own to see how far they can get?
Got ourselves a start in the game and almost immediately sat off in our own half?? it didn't work for me.
Brighton had to push on they were losing, but they had nothing to fear by pushing players on because we were so deep?
Sorry, we just played to their strengths and waiting till the second half to push up and start challenging further up the pitch was after the horse had bolted.
Its better under cp, but setting out a gameplan that only takes into account the opposition leaves little in the way of watchable town play.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 17:21:30 GMT 1
whatever cp says about how brighton set up and play, we had 20/25 minutes in the first half playing attack and defence. We intentionally brought pressure on ourselves as part of the gameplan?. You could see the goal coming and it came from a corner which was given away by just being too deep. Its a percentage game at times and the longer you spend in your own half/own box the more chance there is of conceding better chances and ergo, goals. scannell and bunn were instructed to come deep and cover their full backs who play high up the pitch?? one midfielder cover across and allow bunn or scannell to push up and get into their space??? poor old scannell and bunn getting the ball and being left on their own to see how far they can get? Got ourselves a start in the game and almost immediately sat off in our own half?? it didn't work for me. Brighton had to push on they were losing, but they had nothing to fear by pushing players on because we were so deep? Sorry, we just played to their strengths and waiting till the second half to push up and start challenging further up the pitch was after the horse had bolted. Its better under cp, but setting out a gameplan that only takes into account the opposition leaves little in the way of watchable town play. I wasn't there - did the midfield not press them up the pitch? That worked so well at Wolves and it would do me for the rest of the season playing like that. Wolves are similar to Brighton in that they like to play it around at the back. I've got an inkling that for a while we will be a better set up away than at home.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 22, 2014 17:50:16 GMT 1
we did from kick off till we scored, then dropped right off into our own half, quite a lot of the time holt was back in our half. We didn't then shove onto them as soon as they got in our half, it was quite odd to watch?
after they scored we resumed what we had been doing and we did trade breaks with them in the second half.
it was quite a strange 20 odd minutes in the first half, we just sat and watched them bring the ball, often well into our half before playing the pass???
most of the game was pretty evenly matched, just not sure what happened after we scored?
I think we felt comfortable because until they scored they had little or nothing by way of goalscoring chances, just lots of dreadfull long shots or totally wasted crosses etc.. But if you give them half a pitch to work in and they get enough free kicks/corners or shots, chances are they will create something or it will fall for them and it did??
strange? I have read CPs report but its just about how we thought about playing them rather than what he thought we could/may have done to impress our game on them a bit more..
maybe we just need a few more games without losing or losing badly etc to get a bit more confidence in him and the team to do more of what we do well rather than trying to stop the opposition playing their way?
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 22, 2014 19:29:23 GMT 1
We just didn't click like we have in other recent games. It was all a bit one paced and deliberate. Also thought the movement was a bit lacking. Thought Holt had a poor game myself and Id have taken him off after an hour. he should be bang up for Ipswich though being a norwich legend, so Id certainly keep him in there. Credit to our keeper again though who didn't put a foot or a finger wrong again. 2 great bits of keeping to keep us a point to go with the great save on Saturday that stopped Blackpool equalising. Next time he makes anything resembling an error, maybe folk will remember games like those before calling him a liability, useless, etc ??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 19:32:11 GMT 1
We just didn't click like we have in other recent games. It was all a bit one paced and deliberate. Also thought the movement was a bit lacking. Thought Holt had a poor game myself and Id have taken him off after an hour. he should be bang up for Ipswich though being a norwich legend, so Id certainly keep him in there. Credit to our keeper again though who didn't put a foot or a finger wrong again. 2 great bits of keeping to keep us a point to go with the great save on Saturday that stopped Blackpool equalising. Next time he makes anything resembling an error, maybe folk will remember games like those before calling him a liability, useless, etc ?? JEEZ we actually agree on all points
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