mezz60
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Post by mezz60 on Oct 22, 2014 18:09:12 GMT 1
Games being streamed on wiziwig or whatever its called this week wont help much either
I know quite a few floaters who attended several games a season now get their football fix by watching town on a laptop
The sooner this gets shut down the better imho
Or crowds at town and other championship clubs could continue to decline
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Post by detox on Oct 22, 2014 18:17:09 GMT 1
Impossible to go back more than a few years because attendances were only reported as clicks at the turnstiles then, whereas now it is tickets sold plus pay on the day. So even reporting 10,500 as the gate that includes every SC holder, whether they turned up or not (because they had paid for the game). I imagine the 'actual' attendees last night was nearer 9,000.
We all dreamed of Championship football when we were getting beaten by Millwall, then Peterbro' and then missed the first 3 pens against Sheffield Utd..but now many seem blase' about it. We have a hard core of 9,000 SC holders, and if you had a SC for the Kilner you would have paid about £16 for last night. I still don't really get charging the floaters up to £30 though...how does that really work ?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 22, 2014 18:30:39 GMT 1
Triple dip recession? Am I been lied too then because every time I hear the GDP figures they are on the up. like the UK National Debt 1. There wasn't a triple dip recession (and there is an argument that there wasn't even a double dip) 2. "Debt" is meaningless. We have been in debt for about 300 years. 3. The keys to the financial position of the country is both debt as a percentage of GDP and deficits (the amount being added to the national debt) 4. Look sideways at any politician who (usually deliberately and for their own agenda) confuses debt and deficit 5. Ignore, nay laugh at, anyone, particularly politicians who are the main culprits, who make spurious analogies between the economy of a top 10 economic powerhouse like Britain and a family's finances. Entirely false analogies spew forth. None of which helps people make ends meet. What would is stimulus spending (yes, increasing debt) because the cost of servicing that debt is at historically low levels. The time to cut public spending is in times of prosperity (revenues to government rise, fewer people need a social safety net). Austerity is a death spiral (something we learned in the 30s but apparently we know better now) And Town's attendances would rise exponentially. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 18:38:28 GMT 1
Impossible to go back more than a few years because attendances were only reported as clicks at the turnstiles then, whereas now it is tickets sold plus pay on the day. So even reporting 10,500 as the gate that includes every SC holder, whether they turned up or not (because they had paid for the game). I imagine the 'actual' attendees last night was nearer 9,000. We all dreamed of Championship football when we were getting beaten by Millwall, then Peterbro' and then missed the first 3 pens against Sheffield Utd..but now many seem blase' about it. We have a hard core of 9,000 SC holders, and if you had a SC for the Kilner you would have paid about £16 for last night. I still don't really get charging the floaters up to £30 though...how does that really work ? Too right - fill the ground at lower cost makes more sense and give spectators some better grub and beer - and the bottom line will improve. |
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Oct 22, 2014 18:39:07 GMT 1
1. Rubbish football 2. Rubbish players 3. Rubbish managers 4. Negative/boring tactics (3 years now) 5. Crap facilities/catering 6. Lack of other entertainment 7. Idiot stewards 8. Massively expensive/cost 9. Poor atmosphere 10. Ugly women 11. Ugly blokes 12. The end of witty banter (phones/nerds/old geezers) 13. Lack of a home end 14. Crap parking 15. Lack of good pre-match venues/after match for a pint or catch up 16. Kirklees now being mostly Moslem with no interest in football or UK tradition 17. Too much footy on TV 18. Rubbish public transport 19. Over-policed by moron coppers Could add another 20 if you want? Could you add the stats that support No 16 please ? Stat: Otium is a racist moron. |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Oct 22, 2014 18:41:12 GMT 1
What a lot of people forget is that Huddersfield has a higher than the national average for unemployment and a lot of people haven't had a pay rise for a few years under this lousy goverment. Money is tight for a lot of people and lets face it, football is not cheap anymore. Someone told me recently that it is £16 to watch Bradford Park Avenue in the conference, so compare the two and Town's price's are cheap, but there again you can get a season ticket for under £300 at Man City, the world has gone Mad!!.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 18:46:44 GMT 1
like the UK National Debt 1. There wasn't a triple dip recession (and there is an argument that there wasn't even a double dip) 2. "Debt" is meaningless. We have been in debt for about 300 years. 3. The keys to the financial position of the country is both debt as a percentage of GDP and deficits (the amount being added to the national debt) 4. Look sideways at any politician who (usually deliberately and for their own agenda) confuses debt and deficit 5. Ignore, nay laugh at, anyone, particularly politicians who are the main culprits, who make spurious analogies between the economy of a top 10 economic powerhouse like Britain and a family's finances. Entirely false analogies spew forth. None of which helps people make ends meet. What would is stimulus spending (yes, increasing debt) because the cost of servicing that debt is at historically low levels. The time to cut public spending is in times of prosperity (revenues to government rise, fewer people need a social safety net). Austerity is a death spiral (something we learned in the 30s but apparently we know better now) And Town's attendances would rise exponentially.Like they did in the 30's? I think Oti was closer to the reality. |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 22, 2014 18:53:42 GMT 1
Could you add the stats that support No 16 please ? Stat: Otium is a racist moron. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 22, 2014 19:16:14 GMT 1
1. Rubbish football 2. Rubbish players 3. Rubbish managers 4. Negative/boring tactics (3 years now) 5. Crap facilities/catering 6. Lack of other entertainment 7. Idiot stewards 8. Massively expensive/cost9. Poor atmosphere10. Ugly women 11. Ugly blokes 12. The end of witty banter (phones/nerds/old geezers) 13. Lack of a home end 14. Crap parking 15. Lack of good pre-match venues/after match for a pint or catch up 16. Kirklees now being mostly Moslem with no interest in football or UK tradition 17. Too much footy on TV18. Rubbish public transport 19. Over-policed by moron coppers Could add another 20 if you want? You can add as many as you like pal, but only those 3 have any element of truth in them. The crowds we get now are more than double what we used to get most games at Leeds Road in our last 20 odd years there. Through all those years of piss cheap tickets, witty banter, great football under Buxton, great stewarding, the Cowshed end, easy parking etc etc etc. Our crowds are what they are because as a club we haven't seen the big time in over 4 decades and geographically we are surrounded by LOADS of clubs that have. the only thing that is going to significantly improve our core support is premiership football IMO. But considering our history since 1972 , the size of our town and the proximity of so many more successful clubs, then the crowds we get are surprisingly big I reckon. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 22, 2014 19:41:44 GMT 1
1. Rubbish football 2. Rubbish players 3. Rubbish managers 4. Negative/boring tactics (3 years now) 5. Crap facilities/catering 6. Lack of other entertainment 7. Idiot stewards 8. Massively expensive/cost 9. Poor atmosphere 10. Ugly women 11. Ugly blokes 12. The end of witty banter (phones/nerds/old geezers) 13. Lack of a home end 14. Crap parking 15. Lack of good pre-match venues/after match for a pint or catch up 16. Kirklees now being mostly Moslem with no interest in football or UK tradition 17. Too much footy on TV 18. Rubbish public transport 19. Over-policed by moron coppers Could add another 20 if you want? Could you add the stats that support No 16 please ? Yep, will do in a bit. Suppose you have never noticed the 40,000 Moslems in Kirklees? Certainly you have never sat next to one in the ground. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 22, 2014 19:46:17 GMT 1
Could you add the stats that support No 16 please ? Stat: Otium is a racist moron. Fact. Otium tells the truth. Where is the racism...if you cannot show it in the post then YOU are the moron. Racism is a crime...unfortunately being a mud-slinger isn't. If I am a racist report me...and I will sue your arse off. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 22, 2014 19:47:11 GMT 1
Could you add the stats that support No 16 please ? Yep, will do in a bit. Suppose you have never noticed the 40,000 Moslems in Kirklees? Certainly you have never sat next to one in the ground. 10% isn't "mostly" |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 19:56:46 GMT 1
Could you add the stats that support No 16 please ? Yep, will do in a bit. Suppose you have never noticed the 40,000 Moslems in Kirklees? Certainly you have never sat next to one in the ground. I had a lovely Moslem girlfriend from Birstal in the early 70's and she was a rabid Town fan. She bought me a tankard for my 21st. However, without any Islam phobia Oti must be right statistically. If you maybe thought flower arrangers instead of Moslems and the percentage of flower arrangers in the community increased - you would maybe expect proportionally less of the community to be Town fans. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 22, 2014 19:56:48 GMT 1
1. Rubbish football 2. Rubbish players 3. Rubbish managers 4. Negative/boring tactics (3 years now) 5. Crap facilities/catering 6. Lack of other entertainment 7. Idiot stewards 8. Massively expensive/cost 9. Poor atmosphere 10. Ugly women 11. Ugly blokes 12. The end of witty banter (phones/nerds/old geezers) 13. Lack of a home end 14. Crap parking 15. Lack of good pre-match venues/after match for a pint or catch up 16. Kirklees now being mostly Moslem with no interest in football or UK tradition 17. Too much footy on TV 18. Rubbish public transport 19. Over-policed by moron coppers Could add another 20 if you want? Could you add the stats that support No 16 please ? Here you go shooter. 2001 census prior to the 5,000 Kurds moving to Kirklees. Religion[edit] The stated religion of the population of Kirklees, as recorded at the 2001 census of population was as follows:[109] Christian 261,128 (67.2%) No religion 54,445 (14%) Muslim 39,312 (10.1%) Religion not stated 28,394 (7.3%) Sikh 2,726 (0.7%) Hindu 1,222 (0.3%) Other Religions 772 (0.2%) Buddhist 397 (0.1%) Jewish 171 (0.0%) |
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Post by rocky on Oct 22, 2014 19:58:48 GMT 1
I think the home figures will pick up a bit for the reasons that others have suggested.
The most baffling stat in the OP though is the fact that fewer home fans attended last season (when we achieved our highest finish since 2000!) compared to the promotion season the year before in L1. It amazes me that the floaters turn up to see Town near the top of L1, but won't when we're in the lower reaches of the Championship. I simply don't get that - the football is of a better quality, the opposition (generally) are much more attractive & the club are playing at a higher level. It's more of an achievement to be 17th for example in the Championship, than top 6 in L1 FFS.
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Post by birkbybloke on Oct 22, 2014 20:00:41 GMT 1
Could you add the stats that support No 16 please ? Here you go shooter. 2001 census prior to the 5,000 Kurds moving to Kirklees. Religion[edit] The stated religion of the population of Kirklees, as recorded at the 2001 census of population was as follows:[109] Christian 261,128 (67.2%) No religion 54,445 (14%) Muslim 39,312 (10.1%) Religion not stated 28,394 (7.3%) Sikh 2,726 (0.7%) Hindu 1,222 (0.3%) Other Religions 772 (0.2%) Buddhist 397 (0.1%) Jewish 171 (0.0%) You and I have a difference of opinion over the meaning of the word 'mostly' |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 20:04:32 GMT 1
I think the home figures will pick up a bit for the reasons that others have suggested. The most baffling stat in the OP though is the fact that fewer home fans attended last season (when we achieved our highest finish since 2000!) compared to the promotion season the year before in L1. It amazes me that the floaters turn up to see Town near the top of L1, but won't when we're in the lower reaches of the Championship. I simply don't get that - the football is of a better quality, the opposition (generally) are much more attractive & the club are playing at a higher level. It's more of an achievement to be 17th for example in the Championship, than top 6 in L1 FFS. I think its always been thus - at least since I've been watching from the early 60's. Gates increase when we are on winning ways and decrease when we are on losing ways, and we have not been well supported in general during all that period. When we went into the old Div 1 I thought it would be 30,000 + every week. Don't know what the average was but I suspect it would be lower than 20,000. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 20:07:20 GMT 1
Could you add the stats that support No 16 please ? Here you go shooter. 2001 census prior to the 5,000 Kurds moving to Kirklees. Religion[edit] The stated religion of the population of Kirklees, as recorded at the 2001 census of population was as follows:[109] Christian 261,128 (67.2%) No religion 54,445 (14%) Muslim 39,312 (10.1%) Religion not stated 28,394 (7.3%) Sikh 2,726 (0.7%) Hindu 1,222 (0.3%) Other Religions 772 (0.2%) Buddhist 397 (0.1%) Jewish 171 (0.0%) Wow - I'm surprised there are so few Jewish and Hindu people and there are so many Christians. I bet the mosques get a better %crowd than the churches. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 22, 2014 20:10:57 GMT 1
Here you go shooter. 2001 census prior to the 5,000 Kurds moving to Kirklees. Religion[edit] The stated religion of the population of Kirklees, as recorded at the 2001 census of population was as follows:[109] Christian 261,128 (67.2%) No religion 54,445 (14%) Muslim 39,312 (10.1%) Religion not stated 28,394 (7.3%) Sikh 2,726 (0.7%) Hindu 1,222 (0.3%) Other Religions 772 (0.2%) Buddhist 397 (0.1%) Jewish 171 (0.0%) Wow - I'm surprised there are so few Jewish and Hindu people and there are so many Christians. I bet the mosques get a better %crowd than the churches. More shocked at the numbers of believers in fairy tales to be honest |
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Post by softboy on Oct 22, 2014 20:30:55 GMT 1
I think that one of the issues was that we all expected a good increase in season tickets sales when we got promoted (particularly how it happened with the excitment of 22 penalties) but it never happened.
Also I did not realise that the student/under 23 season card price did not also have a pay on the day option as well. Surely we could do a deal that student Season card holders can bring a friend for a discount price.
The section half of last season was a disaster & if you did not attend a match during that period you were unlikely to turn up with the start we had.
We look to be improving but in all honesty even if we go on the run of the century I think it unlikely we will get more than 14,000 home fans. To do this we would have to attract people who have never been to a Town Match or people who have not been for the last 10/15 years.
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Post by pettsy74 on Oct 22, 2014 20:50:56 GMT 1
Could you add the stats that support No 16 please ? Here you go shooter. 2001 census prior to the 5,000 Kurds moving to Kirklees. Religion[edit] The stated religion of the population of Kirklees, as recorded at the 2001 census of population was as follows:[109] Christian 261,128 (67.2%) No religion 54,445 (14%) Muslim 39,312 (10.1%) Religion not stated 28,394 (7.3%) Sikh 2,726 (0.7%) Hindu 1,222 (0.3%) Other Religions 772 (0.2%) Buddhist 397 (0.1%) Jewish 171 (0.0%) Biggest joke there is Christian at 67.2 , wonder how many of those have actually stepped foot inside a church outside weddings, funerals and the odd christening ! Are we off topic yet ? I don't want to get in trouble ! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 21:24:48 GMT 1
I'm sorry but in the context of this post, Otium hasn't made a racist remark.
He made a comment how he believes Huddersfield has a large Muslim population that don't care much for football.
Might be a racial stereotype at play but certainly not intended racism.
People are very quick to jump on that accusation because it's fashionable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 21:40:03 GMT 1
I'm sorry but in the context of this post, Otium hasn't made a racist remark. He made a comment how he believes Huddersfield has a large Muslim population that don't care much for football. Might be a racial stereotype at play but certainly not intended racism. People are very quick to jump on that accusation because it's fashionable. Agreed it wasn't racist, just nonsense. People also quick to claim some of the most ridiculous things are "bullying" these days. Actually don't think our fanbase is that elastic, we don't seem to have very many floaters (other than for the very big games, such as OT play off). When we playing great stuff for a few months under Bruce, crowds hardly went up. Even when we were awful under Wadsworth, they didn't fall a huge amount. It'd be great to get more, but I'm not sure how we'd do it. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 22, 2014 22:17:42 GMT 1
What would is stimulus spending (yes, increasing debt) because the cost of servicing that debt is at historically low levels. The time to cut public spending is in times of prosperity (revenues to government rise, fewer people need a social safety net). Austerity is a death spiral (something we learned in the 30s but apparently we know better now)
Absolutely spot on. We never learn the lessons of history. Japan tried the same (austerity) in the early 1990s and had 20 years of stagnancy.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 22, 2014 22:55:16 GMT 1
Yep, will do in a bit. Suppose you have never noticed the 40,000 Moslems in Kirklees? Certainly you have never sat next to one in the ground. 10% isn't "mostly" It was a "general" post....i also say the players are rubbish, they are, mostly, but obviously not always. 10% was 2001, clearly the more the community becomes less football interested, less British, less male, less wealthy, less sporty...etc, etc the less the crowds will be. 50,000 attending a video game, big-screen show...who would have foreseen that? Times are a changing....the demographics of Kirklees mean less through the turnstiles. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 22, 2014 23:01:24 GMT 1
Here you go shooter. 2001 census prior to the 5,000 Kurds moving to Kirklees. Religion[edit] The stated religion of the population of Kirklees, as recorded at the 2001 census of population was as follows:[109] Christian 261,128 (67.2%) No religion 54,445 (14%) Muslim 39,312 (10.1%) Religion not stated 28,394 (7.3%) Sikh 2,726 (0.7%) Hindu 1,222 (0.3%) Other Religions 772 (0.2%) Buddhist 397 (0.1%) Jewish 171 (0.0%) You and I have a difference of opinion over the meaning of the word 'mostly' Really...? I think you were attacking the "where are the Moslems at the footy games" inference. As the immigrant pop rises so the crowds fall...makes sense to me. They are not interested in footy. Not interested in Britain, our culture, history or heritage. Strange they never sod off to South Africa, Russia, China, Poland, India or a myriad of other countries were there is no welfare, cheap jobs, no ID system and no way to avoid taxes. |
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Post by birkbybloke on Oct 22, 2014 23:02:17 GMT 1
Otium, you should use that leisure time your username refers to try and come up with some coherent arguments rather than the self aggrandising sweeping generalisations you seem so fond of.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 22, 2014 23:05:02 GMT 1
Here you go shooter. 2001 census prior to the 5,000 Kurds moving to Kirklees. Religion[edit] The stated religion of the population of Kirklees, as recorded at the 2001 census of population was as follows:[109] Christian 261,128 (67.2%) No religion 54,445 (14%) Muslim 39,312 (10.1%) Religion not stated 28,394 (7.3%) Sikh 2,726 (0.7%) Hindu 1,222 (0.3%) Other Religions 772 (0.2%) Buddhist 397 (0.1%) Jewish 171 (0.0%) Wow - I'm surprised there are so few Jewish and Hindu people and there are so many Christians. I bet the mosques get a better %crowd than the churches. Dont be...thankfully there are only 14 million Jews worldwide. Lets hope the Christian faith sinks to that number. Hindus....just as many in Britian as Moslems at around 500,000. Unfortunately Hudds got the Pakistanis instead of the Indians. Both as deluded but one lot open and not insular. Religion, ought to be a crime. |
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Post by impact on Oct 22, 2014 23:07:23 GMT 1
Fans come to watch big games and a winning team. The former is the derbies and any cup matches against big clubs. However the latter is the concerning bit. People would rather us be fighting at the top of the league in a lower division than mid-lower table in the championship.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 22, 2014 23:10:16 GMT 1
Otium, you should use that leisure time your username refers to try and come up with some coherent arguments rather than the self aggrandising sweeping generalisations you seem so fond of. Which part of any post on this thread was self-aggrandising? Which bit was racist? You need to start questioning the "belief" systems. Human rights, equality, blah, blah, blah. I hate war, conflict etc but some folk are plain stupid. Ever wondered why the Brits give more to animal charities than the human equivalents? Is it because they are stupid or very, very, wise? One has to generalise pal, its the only way to make points. "Are crowds falling at Huddersfield Town as the Moslem population of Huddersfield rises"? "Yes". Nothing general about that. |
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