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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 31, 2014 7:03:57 GMT 1
You talk earlier of myths and that is the biggest of the lot. You've the patience of a saint Doc.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 31, 2014 8:48:15 GMT 1
As long as they don't let him have the card school king Terry Mac , he offers nothing really.
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 31, 2014 9:22:45 GMT 1
Agree that Posh benefited from some dubious decisions in that game v MK and we may have beaten MK in the final but Clark lost his bottle in that playoff final. You talk earlier of myths and that is the biggest of the lot. Clark didn't bottle it in that final the players did. All these Rhodes should have started quotes are completely ignorant of the fact that he was very poor at the time, if you get chance rewatch the home semi against Bournemouth he missed headers by some distance that he buried the season after. He was bang out of form and we had just won six succesive games with the 'away' formation and using the 'home' formation starting Rhodes we had drawn 5 of our last 8 home games (or 6 of the last 10). The Rhodes that started the next season was a completely different one to the guy who ended the year before. He only scored 8 goals after Christmas that season. It's very easy to say he got it wrong because we lost the game but equally if Rhodes had started in the home formation and we lost then he would have been blamed for not playing the away formation. He is blamed because we lost. The players froze on the day not the manager IMO. But those "frozen" players had turned the game round in the first 20 mins of the second half. If you can bear it and listen to the commentary from the game; "looking likely winners", "Huddersfield well on top" and "goal (for Town) looks like its just a matter of time", were all phrases used. Rhodes should have been on after about 60 minutes to push on from that. Their manager made the change and when they scored the first goal (against the run of play at the time) Clark brought on Cadamateri and not Rhodes. Thenit was too late when we went two down. IMO, we were out-managed and then out-played.
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 31, 2014 9:30:57 GMT 1
The Great Lee Clark Myth 2009/10 was a great season with wonderful attacking football, brilliant management etc etc Fact: our record against the other teams in the top 6 was: P 10 W 1 D 4 L 5 We were really good at bullying crap teams. We had one tactic which the better teams Sussex - cross field passes to Pilkington and Roberts. Watch how Millwall dismantled us in the playoff semifinal second leg if you want to know how crap and one dimensional Clark's tactics were. I fully agree with this. Yes it was fun beating Wycombe, Stockport, etc by cricket scores, but not once entering an important game against a big rival did I ever think we would win. THAT is why he wasn't a success at Town and also why I don't rate him as a manager.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 31, 2014 9:56:21 GMT 1
You talk earlier of myths and that is the biggest of the lot. Clark didn't bottle it in that final the players did. All these Rhodes should have started quotes are completely ignorant of the fact that he was very poor at the time, if you get chance rewatch the home semi against Bournemouth he missed headers by some distance that he buried the season after. He was bang out of form and we had just won six succesive games with the 'away' formation and using the 'home' formation starting Rhodes we had drawn 5 of our last 8 home games (or 6 of the last 10). The Rhodes that started the next season was a completely different one to the guy who ended the year before. He only scored 8 goals after Christmas that season. It's very easy to say he got it wrong because we lost the game but equally if Rhodes had started in the home formation and we lost then he would have been blamed for not playing the away formation. He is blamed because we lost. The players froze on the day not the manager IMO. But those "frozen" players had turned the game round in the first 20 mins of the second half. If you can bear it and listen to the commentary from the game; "looking likely winners", "Huddersfield well on top" and "goal (for Town) looks like its just a matter of time", were all phrases used. Rhodes should have been on after about 60 minutes to push on from that. Their manager made the change and when they scored the first goal (against the run of play at the time) Clark brought on Cadamateri and not Rhodes. Thenit was too late when we went two down. IMO, we were out-managed and then out-played. I agree with Doc that LC was right not to start with Rhodes, but also with sapphire that he should have been brought on mid-way through the 2nd half. Still - back to fine margins. Ward hit the post & had that gone a few millimetres to the right we'd have been 1-0 up & possibly gone on to win (meanwhile we went up due to the width of a post in the penalty shoot-out vs Sheff Utd as well). A lot of people forget that JR wasn't showing anything like the form then that he did a few months later. Look at this thread from the start of the season AFTER we "should have started with Jordan Rhodes": downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/59795/team-hartlepoolMost people wanted a side that didn't contain JR.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 31, 2014 13:06:35 GMT 1
Too many on here still moan about that Peterborough game! Really need to move on from it!
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Post by AndySk on Oct 31, 2014 13:15:46 GMT 1
JR might not have been the same player as he was the next season but he was still out top scorer and best finisher. We set up like we were playing an away game. Mistake not to start him for me. An even bigger mistake not to bring him on start of 2nd half
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 31, 2014 13:37:13 GMT 1
Too many on here still moan about that Peterborough game! Really need to move on from it! Moaning about people moaning, eh.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 31, 2014 16:50:28 GMT 1
That final at old cold Trafford sealed his fate, hung Adobe out to dry.
Oops
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 2, 2014 15:21:15 GMT 1
Not done much since he went there, I'm surprised how well Brum are doing without him! Thought they were dead and buried!
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Post by Solid Snake on Dec 2, 2014 18:02:59 GMT 1
I'm surprised too. They haven't lost a game since that Rowatt took charge. Hopefully it's a run that will of ended by the time we play them
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 2, 2014 19:57:42 GMT 1
Perhaps nobody's told Rowett that he can't do well there because they're a shambles off the pitch?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 6, 2014 18:09:35 GMT 1
Well Brum's unbeaten run ends at 5, we lasted 7 on our upturn of form. Should imagine Clark enjoyed that one.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 6, 2014 18:19:22 GMT 1
Wonder if he waved to the brum fans!
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 8, 2014 21:19:06 GMT 1
Takes his Blackpool boys to villa, he ll get a hostile reception being a former Birmingham City manager!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 8, 2014 21:23:44 GMT 1
Are you nickhudd01s son ?
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