|
|
Post by nicovaesen on Nov 17, 2014 19:52:00 GMT 1
Where's phil starbrush?
|
|
|
|
Post by terrierpark on Nov 17, 2014 20:06:08 GMT 1
I dont know what the criteria for becoming a legend is, but i wouldn't have thought it would have included the scenario of despite promotion your so desperate to leave you bring your dad down to harass the chairman.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 20:06:35 GMT 1
What makes a legend?
For me, it's a combination of two things: the value of the contribution made to the club/cause, and more importantly, the unforgettable memories they create for fans young and old.
That being the case, I see absolutely no reason why Peter Clarke and Jordan Rhodes should not be included in the list.
|
|
|
|
Post by terrierpark on Nov 17, 2014 20:09:04 GMT 1
As an aside could we do a walk of shame where effigies of all the dross are displayed in gibbet's. Mind you it would be a bloody long walk.
|
|
|
|
Post by terrier1987cas on Nov 17, 2014 20:14:03 GMT 1
What makes a legend? For me, it's a combination of two things: the value of the contribution made to the club/cause, and more importantly, the unforgettable memories they create for fans young and old. That being the case, I see absolutely no reason why Peter Clarke and Jordan Rhodes should not be included in the list. I honestly can't think of an unforgettable memory of old Captain Fantastic, other than perhaps him crying at Old Trafford, or timidly clapping the fans after one of the many collapses away from home. A great servant in terms of how long he was at the club & his captaincy off the field, but far from a legend as captain or player on the pitch. The only real good thing I remember him doing is scoring the pen that got us going at Wembley, but that's not enough to warrant a poor player 'legend' status for me. |
|
|
|
Post by 3Pipe on Nov 17, 2014 20:23:57 GMT 1
2 Mexican firemen - hose A and hose B. |
|
|
|
Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 17, 2014 20:27:58 GMT 1
Those two monkeys are in. I mean "Bomber" who got 150 goals for us and Jackson who scored every 2.5 games when he was ostensibly a winger.
Their records are up there with Denis Law and with the exception of Billy Smith they are undoubtedly our greatest ever players.
Is Clem in by the way..if not another poor omission?
|
|
|
|
Post by impact on Nov 17, 2014 20:28:18 GMT 1
What makes a legend? For me, it's a combination of two things: the value of the contribution made to the club/cause, and more importantly, the unforgettable memories they create for fans young and old. That being the case, I see absolutely no reason why Peter Clarke and Jordan Rhodes should not be included in the list. I honestly can't think of an unforgettable memory of old Captain Fantastic, other than perhaps him crying at Old Trafford, or timidly clapping the fans after one of the many collapses away from home. A great servant in terms of how long he was at the club & his captaincy off the field, but far from a legend as captain or player on the pitch. The only real good thing I remember him doing is scoring the pen that got us going at Wembley, but that's not enough to warrant a poor player 'legend' status for me. Those 2 club player of the seasons and the fans' league player of the year must have been complete flukes then |
|
|
|
Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 17, 2014 20:30:42 GMT 1
What makes a legend? For me, it's a combination of two things: the value of the contribution made to the club/cause, and more importantly, the unforgettable memories they create for fans young and old. That being the case, I see absolutely no reason why Peter Clarke and Jordan Rhodes should not be included in the list. I honestly can't think of an unforgettable memory of old Captain Fantastic, other than perhaps him crying at Old Trafford, or timidly clapping the fans after one of the many collapses away from home. A great servant in terms of how long he was at the club & his captaincy off the field, but far from a legend as captain or player on the pitch. The only real good thing I remember him doing is scoring the pen that got us going at Wembley, but that's not enough to warrant a poor player 'legend' status for me. I know you're not Clarke's biggest fan Cas but the guy gave unstinting service to the club, always got stuck in, captained the club to promotion and was part of the unbeaten run. No one is pretending he was the best centre back but he is the kind of player that fans warm to and take to their hearts, the reception he got when he came back with Blackpool should give you a clue to his standing with the Town fans. I didn't vote but I probably would have voted for Clarke myself. |
|
|
|
Post by Captainslapper on Nov 17, 2014 20:32:22 GMT 1
I dont know what the criteria for becoming a legend is, but i wouldn't have thought it would have included the scenario of despite promotion your so desperate to leave you bring your dad down to harass the chairman. Thats not really what happened though is it. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 20:38:01 GMT 1
What makes a legend? For me, it's a combination of two things: the value of the contribution made to the club/cause, and more importantly, the unforgettable memories they create for fans young and old. That being the case, I see absolutely no reason why Peter Clarke and Jordan Rhodes should not be included in the list. I honestly can't think of an unforgettable memory of old Captain Fantastic, other than perhaps him crying at Old Trafford, or timidly clapping the fans after one of the many collapses away from home. A great servant in terms of how long he was at the club & his captaincy off the field, but far from a legend as captain or player on the pitch. The only real good thing I remember him doing is scoring the pen that got us going at Wembley, but that's not enough to warrant a poor player 'legend' status for me. I can think of plenty, comforting pilks when his foot was hanging off for starters. |
|
|
|
Post by terrierpark on Nov 17, 2014 20:58:35 GMT 1
I dont know what the criteria for becoming a legend is, but i wouldn't have thought it would have included the scenario of despite promotion your so desperate to leave you bring your dad down to harass the chairman. Thats not really what happened though is it. So that was just a lie then because it certainly did the rounds at the time? The other bit leaving after promotion is correct, and although i fully recognise what jr did for us i didnt like one bit about his departure. He will never be a legend for me. |
|
|
|
Post by andyeastleake on Nov 17, 2014 20:59:50 GMT 1
Whilst everyone is entitled to an opinion, I'd love to hear the justification of those who put forward the Skipper of a team promoted somewhat fortuitously from England’s third highest division via the play offs ahead of the captain of the team that won the highest division Three times in a row.
Not sure you could make it up.
PS Not Clarke's fault and I liked him but ahead of Clem Stephenson. Really?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 21:05:53 GMT 1
Whilst everyone is entitled to an opinion, I'd love to hear the justification of those who put forward the Skipper of a team promoted somewhat fortuitously from England’s third highest division via the play offs ahead of the captain of the team that won the highest division Three times in a row. Not sure you could make it up. PS Not Clarke's fault and I liked him but ahead of Clem Stephenson. Really? It was decided by a vote wasn't it, otherwise known as democracy. Most of the players on the fourteen featured for the club towards the arse end of the league. |
|
|
|
Post by Terrier Ramone on Nov 17, 2014 21:09:06 GMT 1
There'll always be huge discussion about stuff like this & more modern players are bound to be at an advantage but to call anyone's vote a joke is just ridiculous...people have genuinely voted for who they think, therefore their vote is legitimate.
I doubt we'll get to see a goalscorer such as Rhodes play for us in the next 30 years...hope I'm wrong but the guy was both an amazing goalscorer for us & provided us with a huge, much needed fee
|
|
|
|
Post by softboy on Nov 17, 2014 22:26:21 GMT 1
Mark Lillis - really!
|
|
|
|
Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 17, 2014 22:33:49 GMT 1
Whilst everyone is entitled to an opinion, I'd love to hear the justification of those who put forward the Skipper of a team promoted somewhat fortuitously from England’s third highest division via the play offs ahead of the captain of the team that won the highest division Three times in a row. Not sure you could make it up. PS Not Clarke's fault and I liked him but ahead of Clem Stephenson. Really? Simply because no one saw them play or is alive to remember them. |
|
|
|
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 17, 2014 22:44:31 GMT 1
If Clarkes a legend so is Andy Morrison And Chris Spaggetti
|
|
|
|
Post by ibby69 on Nov 17, 2014 23:36:06 GMT 1
I always knew him as Phyllis Starstruck. Perhaps these modern faces may sell the club to new signings too and they would know the name of Dennis Law. Other faces from the past (and there are plenty of them too) could be spotted about in the complex itself maybe with a short passage about them and what they did for Town. |
|
|
|
Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 17, 2014 23:48:26 GMT 1
If Clarkes a legend so is Andy Morrison And Chris Spaggetti Morrison and Lucketti were probably better centre backs than Clarke but neither captured the fans imagination. Morrison was too busy having a nervous breakdown or having a punch up with Jacko and Lucketti blotted his copy book with his second spell, where hw told the Town fans at Peterborough to 'fuck off'!! |
|
|
|
Post by Captainslapper on Nov 18, 2014 0:01:24 GMT 1
Thats not really what happened though is it. So that was just a lie then because it certainly did the rounds at the time? The other bit leaving after promotion is correct, and although i fully recognise what jr did for us i didnt like one bit about his departure. He will never be a legend for me. Well its true he wanted to leave ( if someone was offering to pretty much quadruple his wage, who could blame him!!) He first asked to leave after the old trafford debacle. Id imagine he was fed up of being in and out of the side that season. The club turned that request down. He then aksed to leave again the following january when prem clubs were sniffing round like west ham, so the club said hhe had to stay for the rest of the season and carry on scoring the phenomenal amount of goals that were keeping us in with a shout of going up and if someone matched our valuation in the summer of £8m, hed be allowed to leave. He did his bit and pretty much dragged a mediocre side up with his goals, and then the asking price was met. Town tried it on a bit for a few extras and the deal was in danger of falling though so his agent ( his dad) had to get a bit shirty with Clibbens to make sure we stuck to our promise, which we then did. Yes he left after a promotion for 4 times the money on a 5 year deal ( nothing that any of us wouldn't have done) , but without his exceptional form there wouldn't have been any promotion anyway. I doubt we'd have been anywhere near the play-offs even. And he left us with a massive financial boost 3 times the size of any fee we've received in the past. If we're including modern day players in our 'legends' then Rhodes is right up there and well ahead of the likes of Kindon, Lillis or Brown IMO and maybe even Boothy and Stewart too. |
|
|
|
Post by Jiffrtd on Nov 18, 2014 0:07:17 GMT 1
Jepo
|
|
|
|
Post by philincalifornia on Nov 18, 2014 0:10:42 GMT 1
Mike O'Grady
Trevor Cherry
Just wanted to get my two cents worth in by reminiscing on a couple more who could've made the list.
|
|
|
|
Post by shawsie on Nov 18, 2014 0:10:59 GMT 1
So that was just a lie then because it certainly did the rounds at the time? The other bit leaving after promotion is correct, and although i fully recognise what jr did for us i didnt like one bit about his departure. He will never be a legend for me. Well its true he wanted to leave ( if someone was offering to pretty much quadruple his wage, who could blame him!!) He first asked to leave after the old trafford debacle. Id imagine he was fed up of being in and out of the side that season. The club turned that request down. He then aksed to leave again the following january when prem clubs were sniffing round like west ham, so the club said hhe had to stay for the rest of the season and carry on scoring the phenomenal amount of goals that were keeping us in with a shout of going up and if someone matched our valuation in the summer of £8m, hed be allowed to leave. He did his bit and pretty much dragged a mediocre side up with his goals, and then the asking price was met. Town tried it on a bit for a few extras and the deal was in danger of falling though so his agent ( his dad) had to get a bit shirty with Clibbens to make sure we stuck to our promise, which we then did. Yes he left after a promotion for 4 times the money on a 5 year deal ( nothing that any of us wouldn't have done) , but without his exceptional form there wouldn't have been any promotion anyway. I doubt we'd have been anywhere near the play-offs even. And he left us with a massive financial boost 3 times the size of any fee we've received in the past. If we're including modern day players in our 'legends' then Rhodes is right up there and well ahead of the likes of Kindon, Lillis or Brown IMO and maybe even Boothy and Stewart too. Well ahead of lillis and brown?! Both players involved in multiple promotions and delivering in each of the respective divisions?! Not for me slapps, although agree re kindon. Its not something to get too worked up about though is it?! Most young lads will only vote for those they have seen........liverpool fans of a similar age would probably do the same re suarez and sturridge v rush and dalglish. Wheres your lad on here anyway ?! |
|
|
|
Post by philincalifornia on Nov 18, 2014 0:47:02 GMT 1
Slaps' lad could be on here if it was based on effort, but where's E4B's lad ??
|
|
|
|
Post by Captainslapper on Nov 18, 2014 1:06:49 GMT 1
Well its true he wanted to leave ( if someone was offering to pretty much quadruple his wage, who could blame him!!) He first asked to leave after the old trafford debacle. Id imagine he was fed up of being in and out of the side that season. The club turned that request down. He then aksed to leave again the following january when prem clubs were sniffing round like west ham, so the club said hhe had to stay for the rest of the season and carry on scoring the phenomenal amount of goals that were keeping us in with a shout of going up and if someone matched our valuation in the summer of £8m, hed be allowed to leave. He did his bit and pretty much dragged a mediocre side up with his goals, and then the asking price was met. Town tried it on a bit for a few extras and the deal was in danger of falling though so his agent ( his dad) had to get a bit shirty with Clibbens to make sure we stuck to our promise, which we then did. Yes he left after a promotion for 4 times the money on a 5 year deal ( nothing that any of us wouldn't have done) , but without his exceptional form there wouldn't have been any promotion anyway. I doubt we'd have been anywhere near the play-offs even. And he left us with a massive financial boost 3 times the size of any fee we've received in the past. If we're including modern day players in our 'legends' then Rhodes is right up there and well ahead of the likes of Kindon, Lillis or Brown IMO and maybe even Boothy and Stewart too. Well ahead of lillis and brown?! Both players involved in multiple promotions and delivering in each of the respective divisions?! Not for me slapps, although agree re kindon. Its not something to get too worked up about though is it?! Most young lads will only vote for those they have seen........liverpool fans of a similar age would probably do the same re suarez and sturridge v rush and dalglish. Wheres your lad on here anyway ?! About 500 above your lad mate!!  Lillis wasn't really involved in any notable way in the 79/80 promotion so just had 1 to his name at Town in 82/83 and although good , wasn't even close to how prolific or vital Rhodes was in 2011/12. Mally brown- great player and 2 promotions but again, not anywhere near as key as Rhodes in their respective teams , which is why id put Rhodes ahead of him. Then theres the legacy he left--£££££ Your right though. the sort of person who votes on things like this is likely to be 15 and might not even have heard of Alex Jackson. Im surprised Grant Holt didn't get in. |
|
|
|
Post by shawsie on Nov 18, 2014 7:36:13 GMT 1
Well ahead of lillis and brown?! Both players involved in multiple promotions and delivering in each of the respective divisions?! Not for me slapps, although agree re kindon. Its not something to get too worked up about though is it?! Most young lads will only vote for those they have seen........liverpool fans of a similar age would probably do the same re suarez and sturridge v rush and dalglish. Wheres your lad on here anyway ?! About 500 above your lad mate!! Lillis wasn't really involved in any notable way in the 79/80 promotion so just had 1 to his name at Town in 82/83 and although good , wasn't even close to how prolific or vital Rhodes was in 2011/12. Mally brown- great player and 2 promotions but again, not anywhere near as key as Rhodes in their respective teams , which is why id put Rhodes ahead of him. Then theres the legacy he left--£££££ Your right though. the sort of person who votes on things like this is likely to be 15 and might not even have heard of Alex Jackson. Im surprised Grant Holt didn't get in. Nay capn......you cant vote over 1000 times surely?! And u r older than 15! Different eras i suppose, but lillis made us good money for the time and played in numerous positions.........brown must have had 30 assists over that period and again went for big money, although rhodes record over the 3 yrs here is astonishing, particularly as he was sub for most of his second season.....8m smackers not to be sniffed at either as we have used it to consolidate higher up. Hes in ! |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 10:53:00 GMT 1
Mike O'Grady Trevor Cherry Just wanted to get my two cents worth in by reminiscing on a couple more who could've made the list. I think Cherry could rightly feel miffed. He helped us gain promotion to the top flight and went on to play for England (as did Frank Worthington). However, he made the cardinal sin of going on to play for Leeds United (but so did Frank). He also was involved with the 'pay up and stay up' ultimatum given to the club in our second season in the old Division One (as was Frank). |
|
sudbury
Jimmy Nicholson Terrier
Posts: 1,437
|
Post by sudbury on Nov 18, 2014 12:27:05 GMT 1
There are so many great players missing from the 14 because the younger generation don't know anything
about them. That's why he decision should not be left to Town fans.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 12:47:39 GMT 1
There are so many great players missing from the 14 because the younger generation don't know anything about them. That's why he decision should not be left to Town fans. If this vote had been done 30 years ago, before the dawn of the internet and Wikipedia, the results would have been skewed even more in favour of the then contemporary players. When I was 13 I'd practically no knowledge of towns history. It's much more accessible and talked about now, but you can't expect young fans to be massively interested in the clubs distant past, it just doesn't appeal at that age. Out of interest, can you name your 14? |
|
