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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 17:51:37 GMT 1
I think Murphy did alright. Far more vocal that Alex. Nowt between 'em, for me. Let Murphy have the shirt till he cocks it up. Ain't that what competition is? Thought we were crying out for Alex to be pushed. It'll do Alex good to have to fight for his place. Let battle commence!
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Post by Solid Snake on Nov 23, 2014 17:59:03 GMT 1
Tbh I don't think we can really compare the two atm. We haven't seen enough of Murphy. He hasn't yet had the opportunity to show us what he's like at stopping good driven shots, one on one's, penalties etc. Until then we can't make proper judgement. Thought he had a good game though and most importantly, kept a clean sheet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 18:11:58 GMT 1
There really is no debate. Smithies is the better keeper and from the evidence of the times I've seen both he's better at dealing with crosses and distribution is on par. If Smithies is 100% fit for Bolton then he should come back in. How is there no debate? I'm not going to say that Murphy is a better keeper based on one viewing, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that Smithies would have conceded from one if not both of the one on ones with Stevie May yesterday. Despite his improvement this season, Smithies is still too often criminally hesitant, and too slow off his line.
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Post by impact on Nov 23, 2014 18:54:53 GMT 1
There really is no debate. Smithies is the better keeper and from the evidence of the times I've seen both he's better at dealing with crosses and distribution is on par. If Smithies is 100% fit for Bolton then he should come back in. How is there no debate? I'm not going to say that Murphy is a better keeper based on one viewing, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that Smithies would have conceded from one if not both of the one on ones with Stevie May yesterday. Despite his improvement this season, Smithies is still too often criminally hesitant, and too slow off his line. These 1 on 1 saves were the keeper coming out and taking the ball at the edge of his box. Murphy made them look better by jumping into May every time. If you don't believe that watch again. The one where he hurt his shoulder he put his arms out in order to get hit! I cannot for the life of me see how you think Smithies would not have claimed those. His starting position is IMO better and out of the 2 Murphy looks like the more hesitant to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 20:11:32 GMT 1
How is there no debate? I'm not going to say that Murphy is a better keeper based on one viewing, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that Smithies would have conceded from one if not both of the one on ones with Stevie May yesterday. Despite his improvement this season, Smithies is still too often criminally hesitant, and too slow off his line. These 1 on 1 saves were the keeper coming out and taking the ball at the edge of his box. Murphy made them look better by jumping into May every time. If you don't believe that watch again. The one where he hurt his shoulder he put his arms out in order to get hit! I cannot for the life of me see how you think Smithies would not have claimed those. His starting position is IMO better and out of the 2 Murphy looks like the more hesitant to me. Have to agree to disagree then. Hesitation and questionable judgement are by far Smithies biggest weakness IMO, however there has been an improvement in him since Powell's arrival IMO, but those one on ones yesterday were exactly the kind of situations we have seen Smithies caught out on numerous times. Edit: Also I didn't make them out to be 'saves' as such, as they weren't, but they were the kind of situation where a moments hesitation from the keeper would likely result in a goal
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 23, 2014 20:25:17 GMT 1
Smithies is far better than Murphy for me
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Post by terrierfortythree on Nov 23, 2014 20:40:29 GMT 1
ridiculous comment, going by that then your logic would have him to blame for all of them It isn't ridiculous at all. Just bringing some stats to the argument. I've seen him at fault for many of them yes. He's an average keeper at best. Hasn't lived up to his wonder kid status but maybe there's time to improve if the coaching and determination is there. he is 24 years old, nowhere near the peak age for a keeper...to say 'many' of them is too far to be honest
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 20:43:19 GMT 1
Murphy only went down injured in the first clash with May because he hesitated!
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 6, 2015 12:09:47 GMT 1
Anyone know if Alex has recovered from his illness yet?
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Feb 6, 2015 12:13:35 GMT 1
Anyone know if Alex has recovered from his illness yet? Fully recovered.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 6, 2015 12:16:34 GMT 1
Anyone know if Alex has recovered from his illness yet? Fully recovered. Good we need him back in net!
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Post by wigster on Feb 6, 2015 13:53:27 GMT 1
I think Murphy did alright. Far more vocal that Alex. Nowt between 'em, for me. Let Murphy have the shirt till he cocks it up. Ain't that what competition is? Thought we were crying out for Alex to be pushed. It'll do Alex good to have to fight for his place. Let battle commence! Didn't Murphy cock it up - twice - against Leeds, have a bit of a mare away at Chesterfield, and generally looks terrified on crosses ?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 6, 2015 14:26:29 GMT 1
I think Murphy did alright. Far more vocal that Alex. Nowt between 'em, for me. Let Murphy have the shirt till he cocks it up. Ain't that what competition is? Thought we were crying out for Alex to be pushed. It'll do Alex good to have to fight for his place. Let battle commence! Didn't Murphy cock it up - twice - against Leeds, have a bit of a mare away at Chesterfield, and generally looks terrified on crosses ? No! First goal against l***s came about because of our none existent midfield in the first 20 mins and as Danny G said in his HTAFC World report it was a Robinson own goal. Apart from the second which is arguable that he should have come for, his commanding of his box was good, 2 or 3 times acting as sweeper for our slow defenders. In criticizing him for the other games, aren't we forgetting the clean sheet he kept against the Wendies (despite getting injured during the game) and the terrific save he made at the death to deny them a winner after Lynch had cocked up. If Smithies had made that save some on here would have been creaming themselves.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 6, 2015 14:30:18 GMT 1
Didn't Murphy cock it up - twice - against Leeds, have a bit of a mare away at Chesterfield, and generally looks terrified on crosses ? No! First goal against l***s came about because of our none existent midfield in the first 20 mins and as Danny G said in his HTAFC World report it was a Robinson own goal. Apart from the second which is arguable that he should have come for, his commanding of his box was good, 2 or 3 times acting as sweeper for our slow defenders. In criticizing him for the other games, aren't we forgetting the clean sheet he kept against the Wendies (despite getting injured during the game) and the terrific save he made at the death to deny them a winner after Lynch had cocked up. If Smithies had made that save some on here would have been creaming themselves. If the keeper was on his line for the first goal it would be a simple save! He'd simply catch the ball!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 6, 2015 14:34:26 GMT 1
No! First goal against l***s came about because of our none existent midfield in the first 20 mins and as Danny G said in his HTAFC World report it was a Robinson own goal. Apart from the second which is arguable that he should have come for, his commanding of his box was good, 2 or 3 times acting as sweeper for our slow defenders. In criticizing him for the other games, aren't we forgetting the clean sheet he kept against the Wendies (despite getting injured during the game) and the terrific save he made at the death to deny them a winner after Lynch had cocked up. If Smithies had made that save some on here would have been creaming themselves. If the keeper was on his line for the first goal it would be a simple save! He'd simply catch the ball! True but how often would you see a keeper on his line in that situation. I doubt Smithies would have been.
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Post by terrierfortythree on Feb 6, 2015 15:05:45 GMT 1
doubt murphy will even be on the bench this week due to injury, will allow him time to fully recover and only played v leeds because we were desperate
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Post by royrace on Feb 6, 2015 15:13:45 GMT 1
Funny people still slating Alex even after Saturday. I had a funny feeling people would be left eating their words. Murphy at fault for both goals. Alex clearly the better keep by a distance. Murphy will do for backup. Hope Alex is ready for tomorrow.
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Post by benhomly on Feb 6, 2015 15:29:46 GMT 1
No! First goal against l***s came about because of our none existent midfield in the first 20 mins and as Danny G said in his HTAFC World report it was a Robinson own goal. Apart from the second which is arguable that he should have come for, his commanding of his box was good, 2 or 3 times acting as sweeper for our slow defenders. In criticizing him for the other games, aren't we forgetting the clean sheet he kept against the Wendies (despite getting injured during the game) and the terrific save he made at the death to deny them a winner after Lynch had cocked up. If Smithies had made that save some on here would have been creaming themselves. If the keeper was on his line for the first goal it would be a simple save! He'd simply catch the ball! If the keeper had been on his line for the first goal I think it's a fair assumption that Byram wouldn't have simply lofted the ball meekly into his hands. I think he might have tried a different kind of shot don't you?
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 6, 2015 15:39:35 GMT 1
If the keeper was on his line for the first goal it would be a simple save! He'd simply catch the ball! If the keeper had been on his line for the first goal I think it's a fair assumption that Byram wouldn't have simply lofted the ball meekly into his hands. I think he might have tried a different kind of shot don't you? Yeah that's my point, he would have had a better chance of saving it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 15:49:29 GMT 1
He did alright, theres not much between keepers at this level.
I thought his communication seemed more vocal and commanding with his defenders (when Smithies does shout, he seems to sulk and moan rather than giving out clear instruction), and his distribution was crisp and decisive where Smithies tend to linger a bit more.
Wasnt as comfortable with the ball played to his feet (although in not sure our lads necessarily knew he is a left footer so maybe made things a bit difficult for him?!) and didn't seem to have the same kind of presence...
1st goal, he stays on his line and he be punished more often than not, it was just one of those unlucky deflections (off our player?)... Second goal was a ball put into the danger area with a decent striker attacking it as it swept towards goal with our defence wrong footed and running towards goal too...they go in, and are generally saved by an outfield player being more committed outside the box. Didn't do much wrong, not as good as Smithies considered all round, but no worries about him coming in for the odd game or three if required.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 6, 2015 16:06:43 GMT 1
Can't help thinking that both goals would have been down to Smithies 'lack of command of his area' had he been in goal.
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Post by terrierfortythree on Feb 6, 2015 16:23:43 GMT 1
Can't help thinking that both goals would have been down to Smithies 'lack of command of his area' had he been in goal. if we concede tomorrow expect a huge backlash tomorrow captain fenners, people have now had 2 weeks without the opportunity to have a pop at smithies
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 6, 2015 16:58:41 GMT 1
cant help thinking if we had been a bit further up the pitch, neither move from leeds would have required a commanding goalkeeper ...
if we had been attacking at the other end etc etc..
the whole discussions on here about particular players and who can be picked out to be at fault etc, usually misses out the obvious fact the we usually 'start' defending in the wrong place and the rest just goes to shit because of that..
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Post by towny4ever on Feb 6, 2015 17:07:38 GMT 1
By far the better keeper....
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 6, 2015 17:16:50 GMT 1
That second leeds goal was shocking defending from start to finish
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Feb 6, 2015 17:20:16 GMT 1
Smithies far and away the better. Murphy is a vampire...
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 6, 2015 17:21:12 GMT 1
3rd time in 3/4 minutes the same ball played by the same bloke down the same wing.. leeds supported the ball quickly on all 3 occasions and managed to get the ball into the box.. you cant say we hadn't been warned..
the first goal was the 4th time they had played the same diagonal ball, albeit from both sides..
17 thousand people see it coming, 11 plus the manager fail to???
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Post by terrierfortythree on Feb 6, 2015 18:38:07 GMT 1
3rd time in 3/4 minutes the same ball played by the same bloke down the same wing.. leeds supported the ball quickly on all 3 occasions and managed to get the ball into the box.. you cant say we hadn't been warned.. the first goal was the 4th time they had played the same diagonal ball, albeit from both sides.. 17 thousand people see it coming, 11 plus the manager fail to??? yep, interesting to note that during that spell a limping joel lynch was still quicker than a 'cart horse' murray wallace haha
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 2:44:57 GMT 1
I think Murphy did alright. Far more vocal that Alex. Nowt between 'em, for me. Let Murphy have the shirt till he cocks it up. Ain't that what competition is? Thought we were crying out for Alex to be pushed. It'll do Alex good to have to fight for his place. Let battle commence! Didn't Murphy cock it up - twice - against Leeds, have a bit of a mare away at Chesterfield, and generally looks terrified on crosses ? My post was Nov 23rd and you're citing the Leeds game two and a half months later. Hindsight... well ain't you the wise old owl!
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