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Post by softboy on Nov 22, 2014 20:53:55 GMT 1
We are at home to a team who have not won in 10 games and we leave our leading scorer on the bench till 20 mins from the end.
Shit management - full stop!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 20:56:35 GMT 1
Looks more like an exclamation mark.
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Post by bro600 on Nov 22, 2014 20:58:44 GMT 1
Looks more like an exclamation mark. Yeah it is an exclamation mark. A full stop is . |
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Post by softboy on Nov 22, 2014 21:00:25 GMT 1
Sorry about the grammer !!!!!!
But surely you play your leading scorer at home.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 22, 2014 21:06:08 GMT 1
Said this to my mate before the kick off, that Wells must be pissed off, comes off the bench bags 2 at Ipswich and scores against Forest. Then is relegated to the bench!! As I said elsewhere, it was so obvious that he was trying to win his place back in the team with haste at shooting and shooting when passing maybe have been better.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Nov 22, 2014 21:06:10 GMT 1
In the formation that Powell selected then Holt over Wells anyday for me. I thought our other joint leading league scorer had a mare today (Bunn)
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Post by impact on Nov 22, 2014 21:11:06 GMT 1
No issues with the starting XI but I would have changed it at half time and brought Wells on for Poyet. Holt needed someone to get close to him and put their defence under some pressure.
That's my only real issue with Powell so far - he seems to wait too long to make subs (for my liking anyway).
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 22, 2014 21:14:26 GMT 1
Sorry about the grammer !!!!!! But surely you play your leading scorer at home. Grammar.  |
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Post by terracesider on Nov 22, 2014 21:20:04 GMT 1
Don't feel as strong as the OP but I was VERY fed up when I heard that line up.
4 - 5 - 1 at home!!!! (several exclamation marks!)
I seem to remember Jacko putting a line up like that out and getting absolutely slaughtered on here....
Two mediocre teams this aft - unlikely to influence the play-off positions and (hopefully in our case) won't get relegated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 21:36:17 GMT 1
The starting line up was valid. The substitution was correct. Wells' general play was then excellent. His finishing was very poor. Not everything was Powell's fault. |
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Post by raggytash on Nov 22, 2014 21:53:58 GMT 1
The starting line up was valid. The substitution was correct. Wells' general play was then excellent. His finishing was very poor. Not everything was Powell's fault. Got to agree, wells finishing was poor, but would he have missed the one on ones if he had been on from the start? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 22:01:28 GMT 1
The starting line up was valid. The substitution was correct. Wells' general play was then excellent. His finishing was very poor. Not everything was Powell's fault. ;) Got to agree, wells finishing was poor, but would he have missed the one on ones if he had been on from the start? What - I've started so I'll finish? |
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Post by raggytash on Nov 22, 2014 22:08:28 GMT 1
Got to agree, wells finishing was poor, but would he have missed the one on ones if he had been on from the start? What - I've started so I'll finish? It takes time to get into a game when you come on from the bench, just saying if he had been on from the start he might have put his chances away........... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 22:10:59 GMT 1
What - I've started so I'll finish? It takes time to get into a game when you come on from the bench, just saying if he had been on from the start he might have put his chances away........... Erm..... it was just a little joke. Sorry. |
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Post by specialone on Nov 22, 2014 22:15:48 GMT 1
AH yes, we didn't win today and predictably softboy, arterrier and nickhudd1 are prominent on here with their usual uninformed drivel. Wish I was as good at my job as they are at everyone else's.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 22:17:17 GMT 1
Can understand the starting line up. I too would've liked to have seen 442 and wells on at half time though.
It was stalemate and the international break didn't seem to have helped our rhythm or energy levels.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 22:22:43 GMT 1
Typical English outlook: 'Why 451 at home!?!?!??'
Playing 451 does not mean you aren't looking to win. Spain and Germany have won World Cups with variations of it. It can change into a 4231, 41311 pretty easily and is a nightmare to defend against if indeed it is used in a fluid way.
The 442 mindset is what has made English football fall about 20 years behind other European nations.
Powell wants to play the 451 and is currently looking at how well his current players are suited to it, and will no doubt bring in his own guys in Jan and the summer.
IMO, the problem as it stands today is that our wingers (apart from Bunn) don't score enough and our midfielders certainly don't. Its crucial that these guys support the #9. That's what I reckon Powell will target (Like Poyet coming in on loan).
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Nov 22, 2014 22:26:13 GMT 1
One up front at home is shite no matter who the opposition is! We only started shooting once Wells came on.
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Post by Yesss on Nov 22, 2014 22:39:40 GMT 1
We are at home to a team who have not won in 10 games and we leave our leading scorer on the bench till 20 mins from the end. Shit management - full stop! tactics. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 22, 2014 22:48:00 GMT 1
AH yes, we didn't win today and predictably softboy, arterrier and nickhudd1 are prominent on here with their usual uninformed drivel. Wish I was as good at my job as they are at everyone else's. What? Not one us have criticised but given a balanced view of todays game and what went wrong. |
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Post by specialone on Nov 22, 2014 22:58:30 GMT 1
Balanced?!!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 22, 2014 23:02:56 GMT 1
You quote a post by any of the named posters that is a 'knee jerk' or 'unbalanced'.... |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 22, 2014 23:04:46 GMT 1
To be fair I don't think Powell set out and thought "let's get a draw today", he obviously looks at the opposition and thinks of the best way he can think of beating them. Today he thought 3 in midfield, Millwall we were more defensive, Forest we were more attacking. If Nahki had a bit more composure when he came on or Holt or Bunn had got on the end of Scannell's crosses in the first half we'd have won against a side that although are on a bad run I think have only lost once away this season (?).
It was disappointing not to win but we had chances to win it (and lose it) especially in the last 20 minutes or so.
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Nov 22, 2014 23:17:18 GMT 1
Chris Powell's face was thunder all game, he certainly wasn't happy with that today
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Post by Floyds on Nov 22, 2014 23:28:41 GMT 1
Typical English outlook: 'Why 451 at home!?!?!??' Playing 451 does not mean you aren't looking to win. Spain and Germany have won World Cups with variations of it. It can change into a 4231, 41311 pretty easily and is a nightmare to defend against if indeed it is used in a fluid way. The 442 mindset is what has made English football fall about 20 years behind other European nations. Powell wants to play the 451 and is currently looking at how well his current players are suited to it, and will no doubt bring in his own guys in Jan and the summer. IMO, the problem as it stands today is that our wingers (apart from Bunn) don't score enough and our midfielders certainly don't. Its crucial that these guys support the #9. That's what I reckon Powell will target (Like Poyet coming in on loan). It doesn't matter what the formation is, if you don't have a single shot on target for 65 minutes, at home, to a side that hasn't won in 9, with your leading scorer on the bench, then something isn't quite working. 4-5-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-2 - who cares? If the side is playing with a high tempo, getting stuck in, creating chances, formations won't be discussed. It's not rocket science, and we're in danger of over complicating a simple game. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 23:32:26 GMT 1
Chelsea played 1 up front at home to West Brom today. Their fans must be livid.
How many were complaining with 1 up front when we were 3 up in 16 minutes against Blackpool with Bunn and Scannell running riot.
1 up front being defensive is such a simplistic and out dated view. In theory if it works it allows your midfield to control the game better and your wingers to get into more advanced a dangerous positions. It can absolutely be a more attacking formation than 4-4-2.
Maybe not the greatest example given their current form but do Arsenal play defensive football? And do they ever play 2 up front?
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Post by Floyds on Nov 22, 2014 23:49:37 GMT 1
They would have been livid had they not mustered a single shot on target for over an hour using that formation.
Why is this point so difficult to understand?
If we play 4-5-1 and have central midfielders who support the attack then it works.
But we don't.
And it didn't.
Hazard, Fabregas and Oscar supporting Costa.
Don't quite see the similarities but feel free to show me the error of my ways.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 23:54:41 GMT 1
My post was in response to those criticising 4-5-1 at home.
As you rightly pointed out the formation wasn't the problem today
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Post by Floyds on Nov 23, 2014 0:01:06 GMT 1
We're all getting bogged down in formations.
We must play our top scorer and main goal threat at home, against a side who have not won in 9.
Whether it's 4-5-1, 3-4-3 or whatever. No one cares!
Play your best players. In their own positions. With pace, tempo, aggression, desire - and they'll be no complaints.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Nov 23, 2014 0:33:53 GMT 1
We're all getting bogged down in formations. We must play our top scorer and main goal threat at home, against a side who have not won in 9. Whether it's 4-5-1, 3-4-3 or whatever. No one cares! Play your best players. In their own positions. With pace, tempo, aggression, desire - and they'll be no complaints. There were no complaints when we gave Wolves their first home defeat in like a year with Nahki sitting on the bench. Powell has tweaked the starting team and formation in pretty much every game depending on who we face. He probably felt that the game wasn't suited to Nahki today, and he was probably justified in that thought as we almost conceded several times while Nahki was on. Obviously Nahki had some chances as well and at the end of the day it was a poor display of finishing from both teams. Was a weird game today where anything could've happened..but nothing actually did. Most people are probably having horrible flashbacks to last season where our shit-run started around this time. We haven't won in 3 but I think we'll turn it around. |
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