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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 19:38:54 GMT 1
This country is fucked. Left wingers have killed it. What a load of rubbish! Its bad enough somebody uttering the words their own country is ruined as though its a fait a complis.........but to blame the left wingers is just nonsense given these people dont hold any positions of power. For a country on its knees, there are a hell of alot of folk still wanting to come ere...............doesnt say much for rest of the world if true!!!! Don't you just hate them country screwing commies
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 19:43:40 GMT 1
Whelan is a very welcome diversion, that's all. The columnists love all this so they can 'safely' have a go at white middle aged/elderly men who wont fight back. I said before, wait till the first footballer comes out, lets see how the politicians and the 'right on' columnists deal with the backlash from the 'deeply devout players' to this revelation. You know what, they wont, they will avoid it. The idea that people as a rule don't discriminate every day in normal life is ridiculous. Human beings discriminate in the blink of an eye every single day due to sex, height, weight, looks, colour of hair etc etc etc etc.... Anyone who claims to be 'discrimination free' is a liar or a fool. ...or wearing beer goggles.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 23, 2014 19:53:56 GMT 1
they hold the power of being 'outraged'...right wingers/left wingers, be honest in government the only difference is the colour of their ties. being 'outraged' is political expediency on most of their behalfs. This current lot want the Police to be investigated at every turn, they want incidents from the past re-hashing and to find guilty parties to appease the current clamour for it, but they don't want their expenses looking at and quickly passed a law allowing their destruction. ?? They wanted child sex allegations to disappear from their own political classes past and they pressurised police forces for the last 20 odd years to 'leave alone' the complaints made against large groups of ethnic minority suspected child abusers because they 'feared' the backlash if the cps couldn't make the complaints into fully fledged allegations and court cases(which on evidence I am aware of, they wouldn't have had a cat in hells chance of doing).. North western cities and Towns would still be burning. It was 'thought' best to press social services and the police into sweeping it under the carpet. They are political pygmies, who would sell their own mothers for a vote. Current social services heads and chief constables are clearly under no illusion how long they will last if they don't take the blame and promise strong action, some of which we have seen already but again the Political 'suspects' will be shielded and protected for the simple fact that the politicians of today learnt all they 'know' from these people and still continue to be indebted to them and the secrets they 'hold... This isn't a conspiracy theory. they don't conspire, they just don't allow the blame to come back to their doors. They made decisions then, they make them now to cover for those earlier wrong decisions. Cyril smith is dead, they will allow him to take a lot of the rap whilst covering associates of his who are not dead and still weild some influence. Whelan mentioning 'chinks' ? don't let the crap they peddle or the alternative crap from the liberal elite fool anyone, they are all in the shit together but they wont drown.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 23, 2014 19:59:31 GMT 1
I utterly despise Whelan. Nothing to do with recent stuff. Everything to do with the way he made his fortune - treating his employees at places such as JJB Sports in an appalling manner with regard to pay and union rights.
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Post by Solid Snake on Nov 23, 2014 20:02:52 GMT 1
"I hear your a racist now father" "What? No!!" "It's not the Greeks, it's the Chinese he's after"
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 23, 2014 20:24:48 GMT 1
This country is fucked. Left wingers have killed it. What a load of rubbish! Its bad enough somebody uttering the words their own country is ruined as though its a fait a complis......... but to blame the left wingers is just nonsense given these people dont hold any positions of power. For a country on its knees, there are a hell of alot of folk still wanting to come ere...............doesnt say much for rest of the world if true!!!! Not sure about that. The national media are all pretty left wing ( the BBC being the prime example) and they tend to have enormous power over public opinion, as do pop stars, comedians, personalities etc, who are in the main left of centre. Then theres the EU, who set our laws and moral code. We may have a slightly to the right of centre government but we're far from not having any left wingers in power.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 23, 2014 20:35:00 GMT 1
The BBC who give UKIP a ludicrously disproportionate amount of time to spout their ignorant bile are left wing. Don't make me laugh. They are establishment and establishment is and always will be right wing.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 23, 2014 20:43:58 GMT 1
You think the BBC are right wing?!!! And the EU? And most influential 'personalities'? You're having a laugh surely!
the coverage the BBc have given UkIP has always had a strong stench of left wing bias around it.- 'Look , the racists have won another local election, How appalling'.
Its very refreshing that enough people are so fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration and being governed by unelected foreign MEPs that they aren't influenced by them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 20:54:39 GMT 1
The media just exacerbate the problem don't they? Listening to that oaf Adrian Durham calling for Whelan to quit football on Friday teatime, all I could think was that for somebody with such strong opinions, his viewpoint on this issue was cowardly weak. The media daren't speak out against the reaction to Whelan because they'd be seen to be taking the side of a perceived racist, which is just simply not true.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 23, 2014 21:06:00 GMT 1
You think the BBC are right wing?!!! And the EU? And most influential 'personalities'? You're having a laugh surely! the coverage the BBc have given UkIP has always had a strong stench of left wing bias around it.- 'Look , the racists have won another local election, How appalling'. Its very refreshing that enough people are so fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration and being governed by unelected foreign MEPs that they aren't influenced by them. Answers to your first line: Yes, yes, yes.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 21:22:03 GMT 1
You think the BBC are right wing?!!! And the EU? And most influential 'personalities'? You're having a laugh surely! the coverage the BBc have given UkIP has always had a strong stench of left wing bias around it.- 'Look , the racists have won another local election, How appalling'. Its very refreshing that enough people are so fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration and being governed by unelected foreign MEPs that they aren't influenced by them. Answers to your first line: Yes, yes, yes.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 23, 2014 21:27:32 GMT 1
Quality, Ted
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 21:32:16 GMT 1
You think the BBC are right wing?!!! And the EU? And most influential 'personalities'? You're having a laugh surely! the coverage the BBc have given UkIP has always had a strong stench of left wing bias around it.- 'Look , the racists have won another local election, How appalling'. Its very refreshing that enough people are so fed up of mass uncontrolled immigration and being governed by unelected foreign MEPs that they aren't influenced by them. Answers to your first line: Yes, yes, yes. It's funny really - European leftists generally think the EU is Trojan Horse by which the British and Americans can impose neoliberalism like forcing through privitisations. The BBC is a bit metropolitan elite, as most of its people are Oxbridge southerners. I don't watch much of its news content as I think it's just shallow. I know slapper hates the leftwing comedians but they're not really left wing as opposed to smug and middle class. Firing bullets into Nick Clegg's corpse is hardly the defining mark of a socialist. The only real bias in British public life is the print media, which is overwhelmingly right wing (though still more establishment and middle class.) Tbh I think the papers are a bit surprised at having to reap the whirlwind with Ukip. They weren't meant to be preventing Tory governments.
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Post by thrice on Nov 23, 2014 22:15:19 GMT 1
Im struggling on my phone at my mams waiting for a feed, but I cannot find it? 7.06 Pm Thursday Five live Not sure how to link iplayer I cannot listen to it right now but here it is. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04p5qs2
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 23, 2014 22:25:39 GMT 1
Answers to your first line: Yes, yes, yes. It's funny really - European leftists generally think the EU is Trojan Horse by which the British and Americans can impose neoliberalism like forcing through privitisations. The BBC is a bit metropolitan elite, as most of its people are Oxbridge southerners. I don't watch much of its news content as I think it's just shallow. I know slapper hates the leftwing comedians but they're not really left wing as opposed to smug and middle class. Firing bullets into Nick Clegg's corpse is hardly the defining mark of a socialist. The only real bias in British public life is the print media, which is overwhelmingly right wing (though still more establishment and middle class.) Tbh I think the papers are a bit surprised at having to reap the whirlwind with Ukip. They weren't meant to be preventing Tory governments. Pretty impressive critique. Agree with most of what you say.
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Post by upthetown on Nov 23, 2014 23:10:13 GMT 1
Once again, the point is not whether Whelan thinks the word is offensive, it's whether the large group of people at which it is directed think it's offensive. I don't think intent can be ignored. Context and intent are crucial, otherwise its rife for misinterpretation.
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Post by shawsie on Nov 23, 2014 23:24:28 GMT 1
What a load of rubbish! Its bad enough somebody uttering the words their own country is ruined as though its a fait a complis......... but to blame the left wingers is just nonsense given these people dont hold any positions of power. For a country on its knees, there are a hell of alot of folk still wanting to come ere...............doesnt say much for rest of the world if true!!!! Not sure about that. The national media are all pretty left wing ( the BBC being the prime example) and they tend to have enormous power over public opinion, as do pop stars, comedians, personalities etc, who are in the main left of centre. Then theres the EU, who set our laws and moral code. We may have a slightly to the right of centre government but we're far from not having any left wingers in power. I think there may need to be a new definition of left wing if the sun,mail,express, times and telegraph are in any way considered left of centre. There are the odd few lefties in the beeb and in "celebrity" circles but nothing of note.....and we certainly haven't had a left wing govt in the last 35 years.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 23, 2014 23:32:13 GMT 1
context is now all about what the term/phrase is to you!!! not to the person who said it/wrote it.. any explanation is seen as 'weedling your way out', your explanation is seen as further proof of your guilt.
we will soon have to have a caveat after everything ie;; in saying/writing that word/phrase I actually mean this etc etc.. the media will then remove the caveat and print the bit that makes you seem what they want you to be..they might apologise a month later with a line under the advert for pile cream but nobody will care by then.
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Post by artysid on Nov 23, 2014 23:34:48 GMT 1
Serious question, which one of these would you describe as right wing?
Someone who believes in laissez faire capitalism with free unrestricted movement of labour and capital between nations, or
Someone who believes themselves to be a nationalist & a patriot, and supports protecting home industries with restrictions such as tariffs, trade associations, and immigration controls.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 23:39:08 GMT 1
Not sure about that. The national media are all pretty left wing ( the BBC being the prime example) and they tend to have enormous power over public opinion, as do pop stars, comedians, personalities etc, who are in the main left of centre. Then theres the EU, who set our laws and moral code. We may have a slightly to the right of centre government but we're far from not having any left wingers in power. I think there may need to be a new definition of left wing if the sun,mail,express, times and telegraph are in any way considered left of centre. There are the odd few lefties in the been and in "celebrity" circles but nothing of note.....and we certainly haven't had a left wing govt in the last 35 years. In Slappsworld Sean scannell plays central midfield
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 23, 2014 23:53:58 GMT 1
Think some people don't understand the difference between left and right wing. We have someone saying the Beeb is right wing, to be honest they are so far to the left they are sat in the stand to give it a football analogy. ITV are so far the other way, they are sat in the opposite stand from the Beeb......and if anyone thinks the print media are all right wing they must just read the Daily Mail. The Guardian/Observer ard lefties just for the record.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 23:56:30 GMT 1
Serious question, which one of these would you describe as right wing? Someone who believes in laissez faire capitalism with free unrestricted movement of labour and capital between nations, or Someone who believes themselves to be a nationalist & a patriot, and supports protecting home industries with restrictions such as tariffs, trade associations, and immigration controls. They're both economic rationales, not political. Neither is right wing. It's a term that's mis used all the time. I guess this is this the point you're making here.
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Post by artysid on Nov 24, 2014 0:00:54 GMT 1
Think some people don't understand the difference between left and right wing. We have someone saying the Beeb is right wing, to be honest they are so far to the left they are sat in the stand to give it a football analogy. ITV are so far the other way, they are sat in the opposite stand from the Beeb......and if anyone thinks the print media are all right wing they must just read the Daily Mail. The Guardian/Observer ard lefties just for the record. Can you explain it for us all please
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 0:06:06 GMT 1
Think some people don't understand the difference between left and right wing. We have someone saying the Beeb is right wing, to be honest they are so far to the left they are sat in the stand to give it a football analogy. ITV are so far the other way, they are sat in the opposite stand from the Beeb......and if anyone thinks the print media are all right wing they must just read the Daily Mail. The Guardian/Observer ard lefties just for the record. Can you explain it for us all please If you're sat in seats 'A,B or C' then you're left wing. 'D, E or F' then you're on the right wing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 0:07:48 GMT 1
Think some people don't understand the difference between left and right wing. We have someone saying the Beeb is right wing, to be honest they are so far to the left they are sat in the stand to give it a football analogy. ITV are so far the other way, they are sat in the opposite stand from the Beeb......and if anyone thinks the print media are all right wing they must just read the Daily Mail. The Guardian/Observer ard lefties just for the record. It's a stupid unhelpful term, dating from the late French royal court of all places - reformers on the King's left, conservatives on his right. They mostly met Mme Guillotine whichever side. The Guardian and Indy have a fraction the circulation of the "right wing" rags, but they're all united by being run and written in by upper middle class people from the South. The scope of all of them is thus terribly narrow whatever your political beliefs. I think both the TV companies are terrified of expressing any opinion whatsoever. Neutrality is bollocks. The constant parade of Daily Mail witch hunts followed by mass resignations at the Beeb hardly speaks of a confident organisation pushing some leftist agenda. I personally think Today has a bit of a Tory bent, but that might just be Humphreys being miserable.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 24, 2014 0:10:19 GMT 1
Think some people don't understand the difference between left and right wing. We have someone saying the Beeb is right wing, to be honest they are so far to the left they are sat in the stand to give it a football analogy. ITV are so far the other way, they are sat in the opposite stand from the Beeb......and if anyone thinks the print media are all right wing they must just read the Daily Mail. The Guardian/Observer ard lefties just for the record. Can you explain it for us all please Not sure if you're taking the piss or not but here goes.... Basically the main upshot is Left wing politics advocates social equality and all that entails and right wing politics advocates social inequality is desirable ie Tories shitting on the working classes from a great height. Obviously these definitions are not exhaustive and there are plenty of ideologies within each 'wing' viewpoint such as race.
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Post by BoltonTerrier on Nov 24, 2014 0:10:28 GMT 1
I've no idea, comments have been deleted now. What was said mate?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 0:10:56 GMT 1
When there used to be a difference. Left - Benn. Right - Thatcher.
Now it's a bit grey for me the difference.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 24, 2014 0:15:34 GMT 1
When there used to be a difference. Left - Benn. Right - Thatcher. Now it's a bit grey for me the difference. Yes, you're spot on with that. Politics in this country has moved so far to the centre there is practically no difference between any of the parties anymore.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 24, 2014 0:31:58 GMT 1
Wedgie Benn -------- Jean Marie Le Pen You gotta have a system
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