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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 23, 2014 1:16:54 GMT 1
Took me back, God the 70's were bad. Laughed like a drain when the "Wolf" described Bristol Rovers as "ap Norf"!
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Post by Gordon Tuckers silky skills on Nov 23, 2014 9:05:43 GMT 1
Took me back, God the 70's were bad. Laughed like a drain when the "Wolf" described Bristol Rovers as "ap Norf"! They don't like us northerners them boys, 'Arry the dog, woof, woof!!!!!
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Post by brickthespecial on Nov 23, 2014 11:57:38 GMT 1
But 37 years later the talk on here is another well supported trip to Charlton in February and not Millwall in the same month, the Treatment legacy remains today (the very reason why Bradfud chose the 'Ointment').
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Post by deo1 on Nov 23, 2014 15:10:08 GMT 1
That was a cracking watch, it was more like a comedy than a documentary. Wonder where the "lads" are now. Always wondered why a few years ago when Millwall played us the last game of the season why some of their fans were wearing surgeon coats with the masks and now I know why.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 23, 2014 15:17:10 GMT 1
Whilst this kind of thing is interesting, more from a social history point of view, it portrays working class people in a poor light rightly or wrongly.
Take the presenter for instance and the narrator, cut glass accents, uni educated, from the home counties no doubt, whilst the subject matter is working class males, a total contrast.
I watched 10 minutes of it, will watch the rest later but one thing that strikes me is the lack of social aspiration, caught in a cycle of work, home and terrace violence with nothing else. I wasn't born till 1976, was life that humdrum in the 70's with very little to aim for, no social mobility? Or is the film making if look that way?
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Post by htfctx on Nov 23, 2014 15:54:00 GMT 1
Whilst this kind of thing is interesting, more from a social history point of view, it portrays working class people in a poor light rightly or wrongly. Take the presenter for instance and the narrator, cut glass accents, uni educated, from the home counties no doubt, whilst the subject matter is working class males, a total contrast. I watched 10 minutes of it, will watch the rest later but one thing that strikes me is the lack of social aspiration, caught in a cycle of work, home and terrace violence with nothing else. I wasn't born till 1976, was life that humdrum in the 70's with very little to aim for, no social mobility? Or is the film making if look that way? Lack of social mobility was the point. After the debacle of nationalization and union power. There was a working class reaction to limited opportunity. Manifesting in different ways ie violence, music, travel. 70's was fairly humdrum. Soul, Punk, football and two weeks in lloret de mar was living large.
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 23, 2014 19:59:23 GMT 1
First time I've ever seen that, but heard about it loads of times in popular culture (especially Arry the Dog). Anyone remember the one on West Ham a few years later (possibly simply called Hooligan) that had some brilliant lines it and one of the blokes involved in the Range Rover murders?
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 23, 2014 20:09:59 GMT 1
Whilst this kind of thing is interesting, more from a social history point of view, it portrays working class people in a poor light rightly or wrongly. Take the presenter for instance and the narrator, cut glass accents, uni educated, from the home counties no doubt, whilst the subject matter is working class males, a total contrast. I watched 10 minutes of it, will watch the rest later but one thing that strikes me is the lack of social aspiration, caught in a cycle of work, home and terrace violence with nothing else. I wasn't born till 1976, was life that humdrum in the 70's with very little to aim for, no social mobility? Or is the film making if look that way? People have strange memories of the 70s buy I loved them. Covered me from 6-16 years and was a much more equal and fair society than we have now. Playing footsie in the street, punk rock and people power - great times despite what people (many of whom weren't born) often tell you.
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Post by Gordon Tuckers silky skills on Nov 23, 2014 20:21:27 GMT 1
First time I've ever seen that, but heard about it loads of times in popular culture (especially Arry the Dog). Anyone remember the one on West Ham a few years later (possibly simply called Hooligan) that had some brilliant lines it and one of the blokes involved in the Range Rover murders? If you haven't, try and watch 'rise of the foot soldier', that's about Carlton Leach who was West Ham about that time and was involved with them who were blasted to shite in the Range Rover....not a bad film really,
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 21:05:10 GMT 1
Quality video, Harry making a solo attack on the Bristol end good old days traveling away to go in the home end,quick slap then thrown into your own fans end like a war hero
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 23, 2014 21:36:56 GMT 1
That was a cracking watch, it was more like a comedy than a documentary. Wonder where the "lads" are now. Always wondered why a few years ago when Millwall played us the last game of the season why some of their fans were wearing surgeon coats with the masks and now I know why. Agree. Will Millwall be our lowest attended London away game? For those who haven't been, it is really safe nowadays by coach or train. Would be good to see 3,000 there like at Fulham
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 23, 2014 23:22:27 GMT 1
That was a cracking watch, it was more like a comedy than a documentary. Wonder where the "lads" are now. Always wondered why a few years ago when Millwall played us the last game of the season why some of their fans were wearing surgeon coats with the masks and now I know why. Agree. Will Millwall be our lowest attended London away game? For those who haven't been, it is really safe nowadays by coach or train. Would be good to see 3,000 there like at Fulham Been numerous times and never had a problem nor have I seen any trouble. The ground us close enough to London Bridge that you don't need to go drinking near the ground, its 4 minutes to South Bermondsey on the train. There is a direct footpath from the station straight into the away compound so you don't really mix with the natives. After the game I've experienced being held back until the home fans have vacated the station and on some occasions they've let us mingle at the station with no probs. Besides Millwall actually draw a lot of support from its door step the New Cross and Bermondsey areas rather than fans travelling in like with other London clubs. Think what puts people off is its not really a glamorous fixture nor us it a glamorous area of London.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 23, 2014 23:38:02 GMT 1
badly dressed morons, replaced by badly dressed morons who pay a lot to be badly dressed. morons can be employed or unemployed, badly educated or well educated, they are still morons. Its a state of mind or a mind in no real state.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 23, 2014 23:49:16 GMT 1
we all agree harry the dog is a poodle
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Post by artysid on Nov 23, 2014 23:56:26 GMT 1
Whilst this kind of thing is interesting, more from a social history point of view, it portrays working class people in a poor light rightly or wrongly. Take the presenter for instance and the narrator, cut glass accents, uni educated, from the home counties no doubt, whilst the subject matter is working class males, a total contrast. I watched 10 minutes of it, will watch the rest later but one thing that strikes me is the lack of social aspiration, caught in a cycle of work, home and terrace violence with nothing else. I wasn't born till 1976, was life that humdrum in the 70's with very little to aim for, no social mobility? Or is the film making if look that way? People have strange memories of the 70s buy I loved them. Covered me from 6-16 years and was a much more equal and fair society than we have now. Playing footsie in the street, punk rock and people power - great times despite what people (many of whom weren't born) often tell you. The seventies were a Utopia in terms of social mobility, and working class aspirations compared to the decades before (and probably since). Unfortunately with increased power should come increased responsibility and many people have never quite understood or accepted that.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 24, 2014 2:26:35 GMT 1
I went twice in the bad old days, first time i was threatened with 2 knives just before the turnstile, later on i was on one of the two mad coaches. I will let let someone else tell you of the introduction on match of the Day by Jimmy Hill. All i remember is us pulling the fencing down and climbing into the Millwall terrace. Crazy days.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 24, 2014 2:33:51 GMT 1
I went twice in the bad old days, first time i was threatened with 2 knives just before the turnstile, later on i was on one of the two mad coaches. I will let let someone else tell you of the introduction on match of the Day by Jimmy Hill. All i remember is us pulling the fencing down and climbing into the Millwall terrace. Crazy days. playing british bulldog in the police cells
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 24, 2014 2:46:19 GMT 1
Were you nicked blueballs? Who was on the coach stopped at the services on the way down?
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Post by Marco4 on Nov 24, 2014 5:35:54 GMT 1
Can only echo the sentiment that going to Millwall now is no trouble, but personally I'm doing Brentford as my (probably solitary) match this season.
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Post by Marshleeds on Nov 24, 2014 8:47:49 GMT 1
Remember tales of this from the Junior Schoolyard that if you went to Millwall their fans were waiting dressed as surgeons ready to cut you up, the images that conjours up still stay with me to this day.
Still a very tense trip for us but maybe reputations, bravado and not be seen to losing face have a lot to do with this. Would have thought your set to at Waterloo few years back would have also added to tensions in your fixture but maybe this has been forgotten.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 24, 2014 8:58:26 GMT 1
Remember tales of this from the Junior Schoolyard that if you went to Millwall their fans were waiting dressed as surgeons ready to cut you up, the images that conjours up still stay with me to this day. Still a very tense trip for us but maybe reputations, bravado and not be seen to losing face have a lot to do with this. Would have thought your set to at Waterloo few years back would have also added to tensions in your fixture but maybe this has been forgotten. What they actually did was piss in a bovill cup put cling film over it and throw it into the away end and they call us dirty northern bastards millwall fans are scum
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 24, 2014 9:28:12 GMT 1
Were you nicked blueballs? Who was on the coach stopped at the services on the way down? All our coach got nicked when we come away from the services some of the lad had taken some cutlery and thought it was funny to throw them through those windows in the roof of the coach at over supporters traveling on the motorway the police pulled us over and searched the coach and found a large number of baseball bats and pickaxe handles so they took us all to a near by police station and kept us there until the game was over and then escorted us back up the motorway on our coach was paddock and quarmby and Walpole lads
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Post by Floyds on Nov 24, 2014 10:31:02 GMT 1
Anyone else remember there being any issues when they came up to Leeds Road for the FA Cup in circa 1993?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 24, 2014 13:55:50 GMT 1
Were you nicked blueballs? Who was on the coach stopped at the services on the way down? All our coach got nicked when we come away from the services some of the lad had taken some cutlery and thought it was funny to throw them through those windows in the roof of the coach at over supporters traveling on the motorway the police pulled us over and searched the coach and found a large number of baseball bats and pickaxe handles so they took us all to a near by police station and kept us there until the game was over and then escorted us back up the motorway on our coach was paddock and quarmby and Walpole lads Jimmy Hill began Match of the Day with "today an entire coachload of Huddersfield fans were arrested with weapons on the way to Millwall". Very surreal. I made it to the game on another coach. Werent you all held at Leicester before returning? Was the shotgun on the bus an urban myth? I heard the when stopped the bats were put on the roof but one rolled off and alerted the bobbies. Crazy days.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 24, 2014 14:08:51 GMT 1
All our coach got nicked when we come away from the services some of the lad had taken some cutlery and thought it was funny to throw them through those windows in the roof of the coach at over supporters traveling on the motorway the police pulled us over and searched the coach and found a large number of baseball bats and pickaxe handles so they took us all to a near by police station and kept us there until the game was over and then escorted us back up the motorway on our coach was paddock and quarmby and Walpole lads Jimmy Hill began Match of the Day with "today an entire coachload of Huddersfield fans were arrested with weapons on the way to Millwall". Very surreal. I made it to the game on another coach. Werent you all held at Leicester before returning? Was the shotgun on the bus an urban myth? I heard the when stopped the bats were put on the roof but one rolled off and alerted the bobbies. Crazy days. I never saw a shotgun it was all bats and such and yes one rolled off the roof I think town lost silly times
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 24, 2014 14:10:25 GMT 1
Anyone else remember there being any issues when they came up to Leeds Road for the FA Cup in circa 1993? Starngely enough, no, don't think there was any trouble that day, they gave us a right pounding on the pitch, think everyone just went home!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 24, 2014 14:11:13 GMT 1
Were you nicked blueballs? Who was on the coach stopped at the services on the way down? All our coach got nicked when we come away from the services some of the lad had taken some cutlery and thought it was funny to throw them through those windows in the roof of the coach at over supporters traveling on the motorway the police pulled us over and searched the coach and found a large number of baseball bats and pickaxe handles so they took us all to a near by police station and kept us there until the game was over and then escorted us back up the motorway on our coach was paddock and quarmby and Walpole lads At least you were prepared for all eventualities....
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Post by kes on Nov 24, 2014 14:15:08 GMT 1
A home game in the early 80`s resulted in the fences being erected after trouble after a Millwall game at home.Was only very young but I seem to remember they won the game with an offside goal.
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Post by Floyds on Nov 24, 2014 14:16:18 GMT 1
Anyone else remember there being any issues when they came up to Leeds Road for the FA Cup in circa 1993? Starngely enough, no, don't think there was any trouble that day, they gave us a right pounding on the pitch, think everyone just went home! I was a ball boy in front of the Open End that day, heard some stories afterwards but couldn't remember seeing anything - lost 4-0 I think. I do remember the Peterborough game at the end of that season - carnage.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 24, 2014 14:25:12 GMT 1
All our coach got nicked when we come away from the services some of the lad had taken some cutlery and thought it was funny to throw them through those windows in the roof of the coach at over supporters traveling on the motorway the police pulled us over and searched the coach and found a large number of baseball bats and pickaxe handles so they took us all to a near by police station and kept us there until the game was over and then escorted us back up the motorway on our coach was paddock and quarmby and Walpole lads At least you were prepared for all eventualities.... When they came to town a lot of there lads had walking stick and pretended to have limps so the police didn't confiscate them it was like a comedy
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