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Post by SaudiTerrier on Nov 23, 2014 23:01:43 GMT 1
Don't understand this obsession with the south stand.. It's the stand for away fans, that's the way its always been and changing it would require so much re-planning and reorganisation for so many different parties. People do realise that the north stand isn't just the FM Lower right? Have you not seen the boxes and the upper tier above it?
Moaners need to stop trying to shit on what the NSL guys doing, because truth is nobody else is doing anything. If you don't like it then shut up and let people do their thing, the anti-NSL comments I've seen are making out like the NSL is actively trying to ruin atmosphere whereas we all know their intentions are the opposite.
At some point the moaners need to realise it's a bit of a "can't beat em, join em" situation. The club support it, the manager supports it, the staff support it, the players support it, and around 800 fans support it. Stop whining and get in there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 23:08:46 GMT 1
NSL just keep it up please.You are doing fine.It isn't for every fan but jeez let those who do enjoy it there do just that. It is going to take time but I still see it becoming a success.I as I said earlier went in there yesterday and enjoyed it ok I won't be regular but don't knock all the hard work already done to give Town a home end.Get behind them .We are all fans UTT.
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Post by scoffsablue on Nov 23, 2014 23:15:51 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow out anyone's candle here,but it just does not work, the North Stand can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team. The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and even Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create. Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and move the Town fans to the current away end and stop all this silly messing about,it's the only way we can ever recreate the same noise and atmospheres as that at away games. If this had been possible in the first place then the NSL would never have been set up....I've answered this question so many times and will say the same again...It's not financially viable...YET...That said if we could get 1500 in the NS every other Saturday then at least we could go to the club to ask them for a change of the stadium safety certificate to move the away fans and let us have what is quite obviously the best stand in the stadium....Last season there was an average away following from Lids to Yeovil of approx 1300 fan....We have to generate more than that to balance the books in favour of HTAFC..The hardy souls that are in the NS may or may not know that....but in the meantime we're gonna give it all we've got.....God & Deano loves a trier!!
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Nov 26, 2014 12:07:37 GMT 1
The ground looks far better with fans in the north stand, and definitely creates a far better atmosphere. . This must also motivated the players,as what can be worse than playing towards a dead end full of empty seats . The North stand loyal have recently been reconised for all their hard work , and surely the best answer here is to give them the support they deserve.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Nov 26, 2014 12:26:27 GMT 1
Sit whereever you want, support the team however you want. It's that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 12:53:15 GMT 1
Amen.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Nov 26, 2014 12:57:23 GMT 1
I'm sure this has come up before but is there no way in future that a section of the upper riverside closest to the corner flag near the south stand could be freed up for away supporters?. Is this area really popular with ST holders? wouldn't think the view would be all that great but if its a full section and those people don't want to move then I guess its not feasible. Shame the ground doesn't have filled in corners like Derby as this would be the ideal place for away fans, which is what they do there now (and sometimes at Wolves).
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Nov 26, 2014 13:14:26 GMT 1
I'm sure this has come up before but is there no way in future that a section of the upper riverside closest to the corner flag near the south stand could be freed up for away supporters?. Is this area really popular with ST holders? wouldn't think the view would be all that great but if its a full section and those people don't want to move then I guess its not feasible. Shame the ground doesn't have filled in corners like Derby as this would be the ideal place for away fans, which is what they do there now (and sometimes at Wolves). Everybody i know representing other clubs , think the John Smiths its the best away end in the whole football league. I was talking to a few leicester lads the other week, and they mentioned how good they were treated last season.
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Post by terrier1987cas on Nov 26, 2014 13:35:37 GMT 1
People aren't that bothered about singing at home games, it's as simple as that. If they were, they would, and the atmosphere would be different as a result. Away days are a complete different thing - I'll join in the odd song at home games but sing for 90 minutes away from home. I don't think the atmosphere at home games will ever change too much, apart from the odd big game where everyone chips in like the Bournemouth game as already mentioned. To say the NSL should just give up however is nonsense, good on them for trying to create a better atmosphere more akin to what they will enjoy, but for the most part people are happy enough just turning up and watching the football at home games, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Nov 26, 2014 15:40:37 GMT 1
People aren't that bothered about singing at home games, it's as simple as that. If they were, they would, and the atmosphere would be different as a result. Away days are a complete different thing - I'll join in the odd song at home games but sing for 90 minutes away from home. I don't think the atmosphere at home games will ever change too much, apart from the odd big game where everyone chips in like the Bournemouth game as already mentioned. To say the NSL should just give up however is nonsense, good on them for trying to create a better atmosphere more akin to what they will enjoy, but for the most part people are happy enough just turning up and watching the football at home games, and there's nothing wrong with that. .... but it used to be a good atmosphere at Leeds Road - so the genes and talent are there!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 15:46:15 GMT 1
If fans don't want to go in the NSL then just don't go in it, but it shouldn't affect them in any way if others go in. It's an open stand, any town fan can go in anytime. It's 100% inclusive. I don't understand the animosity towards those that go in the NSL. It's ridiculous to judge it at this stage.
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Post by AndySk on Nov 26, 2014 15:56:53 GMT 1
Amazed Terrier1 hasnt been in this thread with his 'i'm not having a go at Town fans but i hate you all, you smell, you're all wankers. I'm not having a go mind you, please dont think i am' type posts
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 16:05:39 GMT 1
Amazed Terrier1 hasnt been in this thread with his 'i'm not having a go at Town fans but i hate you all, you smell, you're all wankers. I'm not having a go mind you, please dont think i am' type posts Give it time, NSL threads are like flames to a moth.
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Post by Sio on Nov 26, 2014 16:07:06 GMT 1
People aren't that bothered about singing at home games, it's as simple as that. If they were, they would, and the atmosphere would be different as a result. Away days are a complete different thing - I'll join in the odd song at home games but sing for 90 minutes away from home. I don't think the atmosphere at home games will ever change too much, apart from the odd big game where everyone chips in like the Bournemouth game as already mentioned. To say the NSL should just give up however is nonsense, good on them for trying to create a better atmosphere more akin to what they will enjoy, but for the most part people are happy enough just turning up and watching the football at home games, and there's nothing wrong with that. You're definitely right, there isn't much of a desire to sing at home games for the majority. However, why is that? Personally, I think it's because a 'non-singing culture' has developed at the ground. A big part of what makes atmosphere is when you know other people are equally up for it, and you sort of join in with and compete against your friends in the singing. At Fulham, for example, there wasn't really any major significance of the game, and it's not like the result encouraged an atmosphere; but because it was sort of expected that there'd be an atmosphere, there was an atmosphere. Straight from the off, it was kind of expected that everyone would sing. That sort of culture can be developed at home grounds too, but because of the nature of our ground and how the singing sections have been placed for 20 years, it hasn't really happened for us. The singing has been expected to be in the tight corner and as such people outside of that don't really expect to be involved in the singing. I think what we have needed to do at the ground for a while, and what the NSL are trying to do, is spread out the culture of singing. Moving it behind the goal towards fans in the FMU and LB north will hopefully show some of the younger fans that it isn't unusual to sing outside of the BR south. Plenty of Town fans want to sing at games, and plenty of grounds we visit have good atmospheres. It's just about setting the example around our whole ground, not just one corner.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 16:10:12 GMT 1
People aren't that bothered about singing at home games, it's as simple as that. If they were, they would, and the atmosphere would be different as a result. Away days are a complete different thing - I'll join in the odd song at home games but sing for 90 minutes away from home. I don't think the atmosphere at home games will ever change too much, apart from the odd big game where everyone chips in like the Bournemouth game as already mentioned. To say the NSL should just give up however is nonsense, good on them for trying to create a better atmosphere more akin to what they will enjoy, but for the most part people are happy enough just turning up and watching the football at home games, and there's nothing wrong with that. You're definitely right, there isn't much of a desire to sing at home games for the majority. However, why is that? Personally, I think it's because a 'non-singing culture' has developed at the ground. A big part of what makes atmosphere is when you know other people are equally up for it, and you sort of join in with and compete against your friends in the singing. At Fulham, for example, there wasn't really any major significance of the game, and it's not like the result encouraged an atmosphere; but because it was sort of expected that there'd be an atmosphere, there was an atmosphere. Straight from the off, it was kind of expected that everyone would sing. That sort of culture can be developed at home grounds too, but because of the nature of our ground and how the singing sections have been placed for 20 years, it hasn't really happened for us. The singing has been expected to be in the tight corner and as such people outside of that don't really expect to be involved in the singing. I think what we have needed to do at the ground for a while, and what the NSL are trying to do, is spread out the culture of singing. Moving it behind the goal towards fans in the FMU and LB north will hopefully show some of the younger fans that it isn't unusual to sing outside of the BR south. Plenty of Town fans want to sing at games, and plenty of grounds we visit have good atmospheres. It's just about setting the example around our whole ground, not just one corner. One of your better posts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 16:11:15 GMT 1
3 stars on my chest. Fa cup still gleaming. 20 years of dearh. Never stopped me dreaming.
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Post by Sio on Nov 26, 2014 16:14:56 GMT 1
You're definitely right, there isn't much of a desire to sing at home games for the majority. However, why is that? Personally, I think it's because a 'non-singing culture' has developed at the ground. A big part of what makes atmosphere is when you know other people are equally up for it, and you sort of join in with and compete against your friends in the singing. At Fulham, for example, there wasn't really any major significance of the game, and it's not like the result encouraged an atmosphere; but because it was sort of expected that there'd be an atmosphere, there was an atmosphere. Straight from the off, it was kind of expected that everyone would sing. That sort of culture can be developed at home grounds too, but because of the nature of our ground and how the singing sections have been placed for 20 years, it hasn't really happened for us. The singing has been expected to be in the tight corner and as such people outside of that don't really expect to be involved in the singing. I think what we have needed to do at the ground for a while, and what the NSL are trying to do, is spread out the culture of singing. Moving it behind the goal towards fans in the FMU and LB north will hopefully show some of the younger fans that it isn't unusual to sing outside of the BR south. Plenty of Town fans want to sing at games, and plenty of grounds we visit have good atmospheres. It's just about setting the example around our whole ground, not just one corner. One of your better posts. Maybe you should follow my lead
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 16:16:48 GMT 1
One of your better posts. Maybe you should follow my lead I don't do twitter....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 16:18:55 GMT 1
Dearth even.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 17:05:33 GMT 1
People aren't that bothered about singing at home games, it's as simple as that. If they were, they would, and the atmosphere would be different as a result. Away days are a complete different thing - I'll join in the odd song at home games but sing for 90 minutes away from home. I don't think the atmosphere at home games will ever change too much, apart from the odd big game where everyone chips in like the Bournemouth game as already mentioned. To say the NSL should just give up however is nonsense, good on them for trying to create a better atmosphere more akin to what they will enjoy, but for the most part people are happy enough just turning up and watching the football at home games, and there's nothing wrong with that. .... but it used to be a good atmosphere at Leeds Road - so the genes and talent are there! My memory is faded, but I remember it was pretty dire most of the time....although I hung around with some mates and we had a good laugh despite that. I guess nothing has really changed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 17:41:21 GMT 1
Wait while it looks like this.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Nov 26, 2014 18:03:34 GMT 1
.... but it used to be a good atmosphere at Leeds Road - so the genes and talent are there! My memory is faded, but I remember it was pretty dire most of the time....although I hung around with some mates and we had a good laugh despite that. I guess nothing has really changed. I only remember the good times.
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Post by Sio on Nov 26, 2014 18:08:48 GMT 1
Wait while it looks like this. But there's no roof, so surely that sound is dubbed in?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Nov 26, 2014 18:50:31 GMT 1
Given the fact that the FM Upper tier (family section) rarely comes close to being full, wouldn't it be better to swap things round and have the family stand in the lower tier. Those families who want to stay & join in the fun could stay upstairs with the choir and those that don't would still have their bit downstairs.
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Post by Sio on Nov 26, 2014 19:01:21 GMT 1
Given the fact that the FM Upper tier (family section) rarely comes close to being full, wouldn't it be better to swap things round and have the family stand in the lower tier. Those families who want to stay & join in the fun could stay upstairs with the choir and those that don't would still have their bit downstairs. Don't think it'll create the same vibe being so high/distant from the pitch, personally. Part of what makes the experienced so good, especially in the second half, is the closeness to the action.
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Post by Zopa64 on Nov 26, 2014 23:58:49 GMT 1
Given the fact that the FM Upper tier (family section) rarely comes close to being full, wouldn't it be better to swap things round and have the family stand in the lower tier. Those families who want to stay & join in the fun could stay upstairs with the choir and those that don't would still have their bit downstairs. Don't think it'll create the same vibe being so high/distant from the pitch, personally. Part of what makes the experienced so good, especially in the second half, is the closeness to the action. Surely you are still as close to the action in the first half? ;-)
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Post by terrierpark on Nov 27, 2014 0:50:27 GMT 1
I have dipped in and out of north stand lower this season and enjoyed it each time i went. The atmosphere there is good and people shouldn't knock it til they try it, but i would like to see some sort of roof structure designed for it whether that be a canvas style sail type covering or some lightweight metallic structure it needs a roof to attract more fans as many just don't relish the prospect of getting piss wet through. OK the nsl die hards might say a bit a rain wont harm you and sure it wont matter if your pretty well tanked up which is another reason why some might perceive it as a valid reason not to have a dabble and try it. Overall the NSL have done a fantastic job and those in the john smiths stands who moan that their singers have gone, well i say start singing yourself! So for me if the weather is ok the nsl lower tier is always going to be a viable option and a financially sound one too!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 1:06:14 GMT 1
I am not trying to blow out anyone's candle here,but it just does not work, the North Stand can never create the atmosphere to match any large following from the away team. The atmosphere and noise at Fulham and even Derby was 10 times better than any noise the North stand can create. Give the away fans the North Stand upper level and lower ( if they bring enough supporters) and move the Town fans to the current away end and stop all this silly messing about,it's the only way we can ever recreate the same noise and atmospheres as that at away games. Been here a thousand times.. Why don't you just live and let live and stop creating crap threads .. Re hashing this boring argument for the thousandth time has gotta beat being told to pay homage to only town fan who knew just how good Sean Scannell was. !!
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Post by Pozza on Nov 27, 2014 8:38:46 GMT 1
When ever the North Stand is discussed 'getting piss wet through' is always mentioned
I've sat in there 3 seasons and can't never remember getting a proper soaking, certainly no more than when I sat at the front of the Kilner.
It doesn't rain every week! In fact, since going in there I've come out with a tan more times than I've even needed a coat.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Nov 27, 2014 9:15:56 GMT 1
Given the fact that the FM Upper tier (family section) rarely comes close to being full, wouldn't it be better to swap things round and have the family stand in the lower tier. Those families who want to stay & join in the fun could stay upstairs with the choir and those that don't would still have their bit downstairs. Don't think it'll create the same vibe being so high/distant from the pitch, personally. Part of what makes the experienced so good, especially in the second half, is the closeness to the action. Didn't it used to be up there anyway - I recall the drummer being up there, at least? And anyway Frankiesleftpeg, you leave us in the Family Stand alone - we join in more chanting than you you lot in The Misery Stand!! Sorry, The Kilner Bank.
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