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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 24, 2014 22:25:45 GMT 1
I know this has been done recently but i have just been to see Cracovia v Gornik Zabzre for 20p! The best seat in the house. A 15 match season ticket is £22!! Match by match its £4.80. Top division football in a brand new stadium. It was bloody freezing but the fans sang and danced the entire game. Pre-match i was amazed to see the riot Police...perhaps 150 of them for just 350 away fans. All masked, all massive and all wielding sticks and shields. Every fan (home and away) has their eyes scanned and is patted down/searched. They had anti-riot wagons with water cannons. 4 bobbies had backpacks and lances, they were filled with pepper spray! The price in the UK is now ludicrous and bears no relation to supply and demand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 22:54:13 GMT 1
what sort of wages will those players be on?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 24, 2014 22:57:17 GMT 1
what sort of wages are the police on?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 23:10:08 GMT 1
I know this has been done recently but i have just been to see Cracovia v Gornik Zabzre for 20p! The best seat in the house. A 15 match season ticket is £22!! Match by match its £4.80. Top division football in a brand new stadium. It was bloody freezing but the fans sang and danced the entire game. Pre-match i was amazed to see the riot Police...perhaps 150 of them for just 350 away fans. All masked, all massive and all wielding sticks and shields. Every fan (home and away) has their eyes scanned and is patted down/searched. They had anti-riot wagons with water cannons. 4 bobbies had backpacks and lances, they were filled with pepper spray! The price in the UK is now ludicrous and bears no relation to supply and demand. I'm not sure attracting only 350 away fans at less than 20p a pop for top flight football in a new stadium is the best example of highlighting why UK football doesn't demonstrate supply and demand! What's the real point you're wanting to make?
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Nov 24, 2014 23:31:07 GMT 1
I remember my mate going to Brazil in the early 80's for a holiday. He got chance to go to Rio and take in a game at The Maracana stadium and watch Flamengo. It was 50p in and the ground was half empty, only 90,000 there!! and i remember it well because at the time it was about £4 to watch Town.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 0:10:00 GMT 1
I remember my mate going to Brazil in the early 80's for a holiday. He got chance to go to Rio and take in a game at The Maracana stadium and watch Flamengo. It was 50p in and the ground was half empty, only 90,000 there!! and i remember it well because at the time it was about £4 to watch Town. And since the population of Rio is approximately 10x that of Kirklees, that demonstrates that the demand was being met effectively at Town games, charging 8x more but getting roughly the same percentage of fans through the door?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 25, 2014 16:18:14 GMT 1
Bobbies get £100 a week in Poland. I also saw Flamengo in the Maracana. A ticket was about 40p. Only 15,000 in the stadium due to fans boycotting games. Several stabbed as well. Oh, and the point of the post...rip off (RIP) Britain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 17:54:16 GMT 1
How much do those players earn then?? seen as tho you ignored my earlier question
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Post by softboy on Nov 25, 2014 18:07:51 GMT 1
Still not really sure what the original point is. Are you saying Town should charge 20p per game & sell part season tickets at less than a fiver!
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Post by softboy on Nov 25, 2014 18:09:17 GMT 1
Sorry got the amounts wrong - but still not sure.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 25, 2014 18:54:46 GMT 1
How much do those players earn then?? seen as tho you ignored my earlier question I only know what i have been told so dont quote me. All the top players quickly leave when offers come but a 1st team player at Legia gets around 4k a week (they are the best team with the most dough and a £20 mill per year budget). Cracovia players half that. Zabzre are due to be deducted 3 points for FFP. As dicussed many times on here....a match ticket at Town has gone up 4 times in real terms since the 1970s. They simply earn too much for too little return. We laugh at stratospheric Prem wages but we pay them! As much as i am a capitalist/supply and demand man no player in the Champs is worth more than 2k a week.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Nov 25, 2014 18:59:34 GMT 1
How much do those players earn then?? seen as tho you ignored my earlier question I only know what i have been told so dont quote me. All the top players quickly leave when offers come but a 1st team player at Legia gets around 4k a week (they are the best team with the most dough and a £20 mill per year budget). Cracovia players half that. Zabzre are due to be deducted 3 points for FFP. As dicussed many times on here....a match ticket at Town has gone up 4 times in real terms since the 1970s. They simply earn too much for too little return. We laugh at stratospheric Prem wages but we pay them! As much as i am a capitalist/supply and demand man no player in the Champs is worth more than 2k a week. Well, the TV deals pay them really. And a salary cap is unworkable and possibly illegal. The much maligned FFP might help though (while probably putting upward pressure on ticket prices if demand holds up). The people who actually go and watch are pretty much screwed whichever way - but we aren't forced to attend.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 19:07:30 GMT 1
How much do those players earn then?? seen as tho you ignored my earlier question I only know what i have been told so dont quote me. All the top players quickly leave when offers come but a 1st team player at Legia gets around 4k a week (they are the best team with the most dough and a £20 mill per year budget). Cracovia players half that. Zabzre are due to be deducted 3 points for FFP. As dicussed many times on here....a match ticket at Town has gone up 4 times in real terms since the 1970s. They simply earn too much for too little return. We laugh at stratospheric Prem wages but we pay them! As much as i am a capitalist/supply and demand man no player in the Champs is worth more than 2k a week. I agree,a player earning £100,000 would still be a footballer if he could only earn £2,000,where else could he get a job he loves so much and get paid,back to the good old days I say,bring down the wages let them earn a testimonial match to set them up in business or for a bit of a financial cushion,i might sound mad saying this BUT they could even get a job when thy retire,,they don't even pay full whack to learn new skills or do courses as the FA funds most of it,sick of watching the clowns run about in Bentleys Range Rovers,takin the piss
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Post by patfield on Nov 25, 2014 19:17:33 GMT 1
Huddersfield Town Association Football Club Total Net Worth (excludes intangible fixed assets) 31st May 2011 £-15,874,252 31st May 2012 £-22,125,085 31st May 2013 £-25,881,214 31st may 2014
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 19:22:02 GMT 1
How much do those players earn then?? seen as tho you ignored my earlier question I only know what i have been told so dont quote me. All the top players quickly leave when offers come but a 1st team player at Legia gets around 4k a week (they are the best team with the most dough and a £20 mill per year budget). Cracovia players half that. Zabzre are due to be deducted 3 points for FFP. As dicussed many times on here....a match ticket at Town has gone up 4 times in real terms since the 1970s. They simply earn too much for too little return. We laugh at stratospheric Prem wages but we pay them! As much as i am a capitalist/supply and demand man no player in the Champs is worth more than 2k a week. But what are you suggesting? It costs £10 to £30 to get into a Championship match, and police are I assume earning from around £500 upwards from day one. Do you think our police should be only on £100 a week, because if that was the case, and the average wage was around that level, then I'm 100% certain that the cost of watching a football match would be comparitively low also. You can't just declare rip off Britain comparing the cost of one item in two different currencies and economies, you HAVE to look at the wider picture.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 25, 2014 20:50:24 GMT 1
I only know what i have been told so dont quote me. All the top players quickly leave when offers come but a 1st team player at Legia gets around 4k a week (they are the best team with the most dough and a £20 mill per year budget). Cracovia players half that. Zabzre are due to be deducted 3 points for FFP. As dicussed many times on here....a match ticket at Town has gone up 4 times in real terms since the 1970s. They simply earn too much for too little return. We laugh at stratospheric Prem wages but we pay them! As much as i am a capitalist/supply and demand man no player in the Champs is worth more than 2k a week. But what are you suggesting? It costs £10 to £30 to get into a Championship match, and police are I assume earning from around £500 upwards from day one. Do you think our police should be only on £100 a week, because if that was the case, and the average wage was around that level, then I'm 100% certain that the cost of watching a football match would be comparitively low also. You can't just declare rip off Britain comparing the cost of one item in two different currencies and economies, you HAVE to look at the wider picture. Dont you realise we pay more than anyone else in the World for tickets, for fuel, for sales tax, for water, for electric, for everything. Highest taxes (77p in every pound including purchases) Average salary in Britain £27k a year and families cant afford to eat out once a week. Ripped off to death. Cheapest ticket at Huddersfield £24...dearest ticket at Cracovia £4.80. Dearest ticket at Hudds £32...cheapest at Cracovia £1.50 If one compares wages and costs with Poland tickets should be less than £10 at Town...and Cracovia are in the Prem!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 22:21:44 GMT 1
Yes I realise this, and that it affords us a better quality of life than pretty much anywhere else in Europe.
Don't get me wrong, I've spent the last 3 years trying (and failing!) to get a permanent work visa overseas to increase the value of my money, give my kids better prospects for the future and make my retirement a more pleasurable experience, but....there's not really much wrong with England.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 25, 2014 22:28:53 GMT 1
Better quality of life in Britain than anywhere else? I cant think of a country worse off!! Countries like Denmark, Sweden, Germany, France etc are so far ahead of us its ridiculous. Britain ...just a small state of America
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Post by patfield on Nov 27, 2014 7:24:27 GMT 1
Otium the grass is always greener lad.
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Post by northwick on Nov 27, 2014 19:15:41 GMT 1
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 27, 2014 20:06:35 GMT 1
I am CERTAIN the quality of life in France is way ahead of Britain, the schools are better, the food, the lifestyle, the weather, the attitudes to alcohol and sex show that. The streets of Britain are like Kubricks Clockwork Orange. Teenage pregnancy, drug-taking, crime, fast-food. There is no society left. I also believe its a better standard of living in virtually every country in Europe bar the rally poor ones like Albania and Bulgaria.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Nov 27, 2014 20:25:33 GMT 1
You went to watch who? Yes it's cheap, and in a brand new stadium in the top division; but this brand new stadium holds 15,500 and the top division is also the the league ranked 19th in Europe: www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/Please can stop wanking over how amazing and how much better other countries' football is and how badly we have it, when in reality we have it pretty damn good?
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Post by Five Lamps on Nov 27, 2014 20:42:52 GMT 1
I think the point otium is trying to make is that we should all fuck off to Poland and watch some football.
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Post by ruud1boy on Nov 27, 2014 21:31:18 GMT 1
I am CERTAIN the quality of life in France is way ahead of Britain, the schools are better, the food, the lifestyle, the weather, the attitudes to alcohol and sex show that. The streets of Britain are like Kubricks Clockwork Orange. Teenage pregnancy, drug-taking, crime, fast-food. There is no society left. I also believe its a better standard of living in virtually every country in Europe bar the rally poor ones like Albania and Bulgaria. Look in the right (wrong) bits of any major city in Europe and you'll find this and worse.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 27, 2014 22:08:23 GMT 1
Look at any "quality of life" indices and we are way down the list, then remember the weighting because we have one of the highest GDPs in the World. British people eat shit, look like shit, are interested in shit. Obese, sickly, criminal. Broken families, broken communities. Ghettos, drugs, greed. Failed schools, failed politics. The selfie and the selfish. A state living on welfare and debt. Minimum wage and minimum respect. Traffic, pollution, cost of living...all some of the highest rates in the Western world. Prisons full, McDonalds full and libraries empty. Feckless, ill-disciplined, disaffected youth with no hope of a proper job or buying a home. Terror plots, immigration meltdown and old people marginalised and hidden away whilst living in abject poverty. Chuck in the rain and general air of decay and all i see is dystopia. We are falling ever faster...and without a parachute.
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Post by shawsie on Nov 27, 2014 22:29:29 GMT 1
Look at any "quality of life" indices and we are way down the list, then remember the weighting because we have one of the highest GDPs in the World. British people eat shit, look like shit, are interested in shit. Obese, sickly, criminal. Broken families, broken communities. Ghettos, drugs, greed. Failed schools, failed politics. The selfie and the selfish. A state living on welfare and debt. Minimum wage and minimum respect. Traffic, pollution, cost of living...all some of the highest rates in the Western world. Prisons full, McDonalds full and libraries empty. Feckless, ill-disciplined, disaffected youth with no hope of a proper job or buying a home. Terror plots, immigration meltdown and old people marginalised and hidden away whilst living in abject poverty. Chuck in the rain and general air of decay and all i see is dystopia. We are falling ever faster...and without a parachute. And the polish and far east/south americans where you profess to spend plenty of time have a much better standard of living dont they!? I quite admire your outspoken views oti even if i dont agree with many of em.......but if itsthat bad, why do you stay here?! A man of independent means/no family to curb your romany instincts....why bother coming back?!
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 27, 2014 22:41:48 GMT 1
Home's home wherever you're from. I'm currently abroad and am one of those annoying ex-pats who constantly harps on about how great England (or just Yorkshire in my case) is. I often want to move back, but know the quality of life for my family wouldn't be as good.
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 27, 2014 22:45:17 GMT 1
Home's home wherever you're from. I'm currently abroad and am one of those annoying ex-pats who constantly harps on about how great England (or just Yorkshire in my case) is. I often want to move back, but know the quality of life for my family wouldn't be as good. Snap.
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Post by einediemengedochsen on Nov 27, 2014 23:51:26 GMT 1
Went to see Sparta Prague v Banik Ostrava a few years back - Tanks - yes TANKS outside the ground along with loads of burly army/security types with guns. Joined queue to get in about £2 but was approached and told priority queue would let us jump the queue - so paid about £3 in the end.
Bizzare game - Sparta fans had a demonstration about something to do with the running of the club and all walked out half way through before coming back in again. This after several large banners of telly-tubbies were burned along with other banners creating large fires on the terraces.(some protest about police with ACAB in large letters on the tubbies tummies (All Cops Are B****** apparently)).
That and the fact a very fat local sat alone behind us reading a book eating hot dogs occasionally and at random non exciting times during the match insisted giving a single parp on a little trumpet/horn thing before getting back to reading his book made it a very surreal experience.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 27, 2014 23:51:28 GMT 1
Look at any "quality of life" indices and we are way down the list, then remember the weighting because we have one of the highest GDPs in the World. British people eat shit, look like shit, are interested in shit. Obese, sickly, criminal. Broken families, broken communities. Ghettos, drugs, greed. Failed schools, failed politics. The selfie and the selfish. A state living on welfare and debt. Minimum wage and minimum respect. Traffic, pollution, cost of living...all some of the highest rates in the Western world. Prisons full, McDonalds full and libraries empty. Feckless, ill-disciplined, disaffected youth with no hope of a proper job or buying a home. Terror plots, immigration meltdown and old people marginalised and hidden away whilst living in abject poverty. Chuck in the rain and general air of decay and all i see is dystopia. We are falling ever faster...and without a parachute. And the polish and far east/south americans where you profess to spend plenty of time have a much better standard of living dont they!? I quite admire your outspoken views oti even if i dont agree with many of em.......but if itsthat bad, why do you stay here?! A man of independent means/no family to curb your romany instincts....why bother coming back?! Yes, generally. I went for a run to the countryside on Sunday (in Poland). I saw 4 different men alone with prams, taking their kids out. Not seen that in England for years. I spend as little time in Britain as possible...and when i see the Brits over here (in Kung-fu pumps and with masses of tattoos) i cross the road. Were it not for our historically strong economy we would be a basket case.
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