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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Dec 7, 2014 6:17:06 GMT 1
This isn't passing any opinion on BWF or Patrons or anything else, but to not incorporate away ticket 'stubs' into the away ticketing hierarchy policy is just plain ridiculous and the opposite of what every single football club who actually have the problem of over-subscription to away games does. This isn't a new thing either, loads of clubs have had this for 20 years. United got 8000 requests per away game on average last year, and they manage to do it fairly. I guess we find ourselves 'lucky' enough to ever have this problem and the faults in our current criteria exposed. I'll take bets on it being the flattest of farts atmosphere from our lot too. Hope I'm wrong. How do you account for away games that are pay on the day? How long do you keep ticket stubs for? Which tickets stubs can you use at which away fixtures? Can you use more than one away stub for more than away ticket?
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Dec 7, 2014 6:25:07 GMT 1
This isn't passing any opinion on BWF or Patrons or anything else, but to not incorporate away ticket 'stubs' into the away ticketing hierarchy policy is just plain ridiculous and the opposite of what every single football club who actually have the problem of over-subscription to away games does. This isn't a new thing either, loads of clubs have had this for 20 years. United got 8000 requests per away game on average last year, and they manage to do it fairly. I guess we find ourselves 'lucky' enough to ever have this problem and the faults in our current criteria exposed. I'll take bets on it being the flattest of farts atmosphere from our lot too. Hope I'm wrong. How do you account for away games that are pay on the day? How long do you keep ticket stubs for? Which tickets stubs can you use at which away fixtures? Can you use more than one away stub for more than away ticket? Simple, each time you buy an away ticket they record it on their database then each away game has.it's own criteria. If you only decide to go on the day and pay on the gate then unlucky, although maybe they could incorporate a system where on production of a turnstile bought ticket they could update your account? Favours the away fans each time and this is coming from someone who due to personal circumstances hasn't been to an away game this season. Just think the fairest way is to reward those who go away most frequently.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Dec 7, 2014 7:25:48 GMT 1
How do you account for away games that are pay on the day? How long do you keep ticket stubs for? Which tickets stubs can you use at which away fixtures? Can you use more than one away stub for more than away ticket? Simple, each time you buy an away ticket they record it on their database then each away game has.it's own criteria. If you only decide to go on the day and pay on the gate then unlucky, although maybe they could incorporate a system where on production of a turnstile bought ticket they could update your account? Favours the away fans each time and this is coming from someone who due to personal circumstances hasn't been to an away game this season. Just think the fairest way is to reward those who go away most frequently. We will have to agree to differ then
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 7, 2014 9:33:36 GMT 1
The tier cake System is fair imo
This going to every away game thing is silly,
So we've sold 1600 to ST holders and blue and white, Still nearly Thousand for anybody else from now or Monday this week, anyone who misss out can't be bothered enough.
Can't see problem.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 7, 2014 10:54:32 GMT 1
The tier cake System is fair imo This going to every away game thing is silly, So we've sold 1600 to ST holders and blue and white, Still nearly Thousand for anybody else from now or Monday this week, anyone who misss out can't be bothered enough. Can't see problem. How do you think it works at other clubs Nick, big clubs with big away followings, like Leeds? The regular away travellers get first dibs, then any left go on general sale. Our away following isn't that big and grounds in this league can accommodate as many Town fans who want to attend. But if you think that travelling to away games shouldn't gain you first dibs on 'short supply' tickets then I'm gobsmacked. Doesn't matter how much cash you shovel into Towns coffers, going to away games isn't about that.
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Post by York Terrier on Dec 7, 2014 10:55:04 GMT 1
How do you account for away games that are pay on the day? How long do you keep ticket stubs for? Which tickets stubs can you use at which away fixtures? Can you use more than one away stub for more than away ticket? Simple, each time you buy an away ticket they record it on their database then each away game has.it's own criteria. If you only decide to go on the day and pay on the gate then unlucky, although maybe they could incorporate a system where on production of a turnstile bought ticket they could update your account? Favours the away fans each time and this is coming from someone who due to personal circumstances hasn't been to an away game this season. Just think the fairest way is to reward those who go away most frequently. Stop trying to use common sense on the allocation of away tickets what you are suggesting is what I have been saying for at least two years and is the system that is operated by most clubs. Most of the opposition to this system comes from the fans who only want to travel 20 miles to a game,all the fans who regularly travel should get priority and a points system would be a fair way to deal with one off games like Boxing Day
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Post by York Terrier on Dec 7, 2014 11:01:29 GMT 1
After all this f***ing palava , hundreds of posts of outrage anguish and despair. And there are 1000 left.. Maybe a lesson for next time to chill the f**k out ? Are you going Ted? I doubt it not sure if he goes to any game
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 11:02:56 GMT 1
We never sell out so why bother.id say have general sale from day one and its up to you to get in first.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 11:06:40 GMT 1
This game is the only game this season we are likely to have a demand like this. As Christ in Shades (art) said, we don't hve the following like Leeds do. The system we have works, this is a one off and unfortunately it's a small stadium so it's a small allocation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 11:06:47 GMT 1
Reading, you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. I can't remember us ever selling out an away allocation before they went on general sale, so why would the club waste time implementing a scheme that will never be used?
As stated, there's a better argument to be made that away tickets should just go straight on general sale.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 11:10:37 GMT 1
Reading, you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. I can't remember us ever selling out an away allocation before they went on general sale, so why would the club waste time implementing a scheme that will never be used? As stated, there's a better argument to be made that away tickets should just go straight on general sale. Spot on. Reading terrier is only argueing the case because he went to Fulham and believes those that went to Fulham should get life time priority on away tickets, even though we don't have a demand like Leeds do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 11:18:15 GMT 1
The tier cake System is fair imo This going to every away game thing is silly, So we've sold 1600 to ST holders and blue and white, Still nearly Thousand for anybody else from now or Monday this week, anyone who misss out can't be bothered enough. Can't see problem. some of your post is the most sensible stuff you have ever posted,,,apart from the cake bit,thats like your usuall shite
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Post by York Terrier on Dec 7, 2014 11:23:14 GMT 1
Reading, you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. I can't remember us ever selling out an away allocation before they went on general sale, so why would the club waste time implementing a scheme that will never be used? As stated, there's a better argument to be made that away tickets should just go straight on general sale. Spot on. Reading terrier is only argueing the case because he went to Fulham and believes those that went to Fulham should get life time priority on away tickets, even though we don't have a demand like Leeds do. Fulham Wolverhampton Bolton and would you believe Reading plus Leeds Etc I am not arguing for any other reason than being fair to the most frequent traveling fans who watch Town every game I have been at Yeovil on a Tuesday night and the 300/400 fans who go to games like this every week should get priority on away games if we are likely to sell out. I don't see how anyone can complain about the most loyal traveling fans getting first dibs at the tickets.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 11:31:23 GMT 1
Spot on. Reading terrier is only argueing the case because he went to Fulham and believes those that went to Fulham should get life time priority on away tickets, even though we don't have a demand like Leeds do. Fulham Wolverhampton Bolton and would you believe Reading plus Leeds Etc I am not arguing for any other reason than being fair to the most frequent traveling fans who watch Town every game I have been at Yeovil on a Tuesday night and the 300/400 fans who go to games like this every week should get priority on away games if we are likely to sell out. I don't see how anyone can complain about the most loyal traveling fans getting first dibs at the tickets. Because your trying to create a new system that's only needed for this one game. We don't sell out generally speaking. It looks like we will sell out at Rotherham and we sold out at Fulham but which other game will we sell out at this season? I can't think of any. Your logic only works if your a club like Leeds that took just shy of 8k to Blackburn. We took 1600 for the same fixture at less money. The demand isn't there, if it was then fine. I don't dispute that those who go to Yeovil on any day let alone a Tuesday deserve first dibs on tickets but why alter the system? We haven't even sold Rotherham out yet. Our away support in such a competitive league full of ex premier league clubs is very good, but it's not strong enough for a system like your asking for.
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Post by holmfirth on Dec 7, 2014 12:22:59 GMT 1
just bought 2 x tix online and they were numbers 2221/2222.
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 7, 2014 12:44:43 GMT 1
On the basis of this argument would it also have stuck in your throat if you were stood in the queue behind a SC holder? [/quote] You completely and spectacularly have missed the point. As poor an effort as a Barry Endean shot on goal. Not sure why you think I'm not a season ticket holder. For all but a few years I've been a season ticket holder since 1970/71 (initially via my parents). I had a season ticket for a number of years on the East Terrace when very few bought season tickets. Partly for economic reasons but primarily to ensure tickets for big games. The only time I wasn't a season ticket holder was firstly a period when for a degree of independence (and partly to fund my away travel)I sold golden goal tickets and then programmes to gain free admission and a (very) small wage and then when I first went to University, I stupidly thought that I wouldn't get back for many games. Whilst still at school, to aid the club (I thought they were a club then rather than just a p**s poor apology for a business) and to fund my away travel i sold lottery tickets. I've not lived in Huddersfield since 1980 but since the mid eighties I've always had a season ticket even though my match day commute (currently 165 miles) has on occasions exceeeded 200 miles. My parents were both season ticket holders at the point of their deaths. In fact my Mother continued to buy My Dad's season ticket for a few years partly because she couldn't bear the thought of someone sitting in his seat but partly to support the club (they were still a club then). If at any point up to the last few years you'd have suggested that I wouldn't have been a ST holder at death then I'd have laughed at you, but as Clibbens turns HTFC day by day into just a business, then I'm afraid I can see the day quickly approaching when I'll just jack it in. Judging by our falling attendences I'm not alone in this view. We are debating the method of allocating tickets between season ticket holders (although I should also point out that before the introduction of "payment in instalments" options Non season ticket holders should always have been included in ticket allocation systems - not being able to afford the one off cost should have been no barrier to obtaining tickets provided you went to enough games). My problem with this system are mainly two fold (although there are other issues), firstly it seems to be all about ££££££ rather than fairness (although TBH IMHO that sums up the organisation these days) and secondly for those strapped for cash (and fortunately I'm not in that category - so this isn't just looking after No. 1 - far from it) it appears that the business are (by implication) suggesting you should join the BWF rather than going to away games. Is that really what supporting a football club should be about? Really? Surely the business should be encouraging people to go to as many games as possible not to join some lottery or sitting in dull BWF meetings. I really don't get it all. When you can't sleep you may reminisce about exciting BWF meetings you've been to but I think of wins at the likes of Exeter, Swansea, Brentford and Wolverhampton (etc etc.). Each to their own I suppose. Attending games is what supporting a club should be all about and surely that is the only fair way to measure your loyalty. The time you're prepared to spend on the club not the size of the £££££ in your bank balance. First and foremost we are a club even though Clibbens seems to have forgotten that most of the time and a club should treat its members / followers fairly. Those that are suggesting this issue doesn't really matter are missing the point. Tomorrow (or next year)we could get Liverpool away and then demand will really outstrip supply. If we don't get an unfair system changed now it may become too late. Plus I want to feel like we're a club again and some greater fairness in ticket allocation (rather than Clibbens just thinking about ££££££) may help there. PS Could I ask one more thing Tanzanian. Could you please not give me a lecture on the club needing to be more businesslike. I really fear you'd be the sort. I'm an Economics graduate from a proper (Russell group) university and a Chartered Accountant. What some don't seem to get is that a football club is a very special type of business. HTFC seem to be forgetting they're a club at the moment. Some have walked already (possibly for that reason). I know that if I ever do it will be for that reason. The likes of Bobby Collins, Barry Endean, Terry Austin, Ian Bray, Malcolm Mcdonald, Willie Mcstay, John Kelly, Nat Brown, Mick Wadsworth, Kevin Sharp, Matty Young and many many more never made me consider stopping watching Town. Nigel Clibbens may just be capable of doing that. He is (I fear - he certainly gives that impression) the worst type of Accountant (the ones that give my proffesion such a bad name in many circles). He seems to know the cost of everything but the VALUE of nothing.
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Post by rubicon on Dec 7, 2014 13:00:46 GMT 1
Well I'm a season ticket holder and get to about four away games a season, the last being Ipswich, but it's beginning to look like I'll miss out on this one. I need a ticket for my son too, who isn't a season ticket holder, so fair enough, but having said that I'm not happy about it. Ruined our yearly Boxing Day outing basically, but I don't know what the answer is. One thing though, why Monday for general sale. If as it is, still possible to buy online, surely they could have brought it forward to Sunday. I think one day, two for season ticket holders, is more than enough really. So in this case at least, it looks like they'll be making me a disgruntled season ticket holder and occasional away supporter too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 13:30:21 GMT 1
On the basis of this argument would it also have stuck in your throat if you were stood in the queue behind a SC holder? You completely and spectacularly have missed the point. As poor an effort as a Barry Endean shot on goal. Not sure why you think I'm not a season ticket holder. For all but a few years I've been a season ticket holder since 1970/71 (initially via my parents). I had a season ticket for a number of years on the East Terrace when very few bought season tickets. Partly for economic reasons but primarily to ensure tickets for big games. The only time I wasn't a season ticket holder was firstly a period when for a degree of independence (and partly to fund my away travel)I sold golden goal tickets and then programmes to gain free admission and a (very) small wage and then when I first went to University, I stupidly thought that I wouldn't get back for many games. Whilst still at school, to aid the club (I thought they were a club then rather than just a p**s poor apology for a business) and to fund my away travel i sold lottery tickets. I've not lived in Huddersfield since 1980 but since the mid eighties I've always had a season ticket even though my match day commute (currently 165 miles) has on occasions exceeeded 200 miles. My parents were both season ticket holders at the point of their deaths. In fact my Mother continued to buy My Dad's season ticket for a few years partly because she couldn't bear the thought of someone sitting in his seat but partly to support the club (they were still a club then). If at any point up to the last few years you'd have suggested that I wouldn't have been a ST holder at death then I'd have laughed at you, but as Clibbens turns HTFC day by day into just a business, then I'm afraid I can see the day quickly approaching when I'll just jack it in. Judging by our falling attendences I'm not alone in this view. We are debating the method of allocating tickets between season ticket holders (although I should also point out that before the introduction of "payment in instalments" options Non season ticket holders should always have been included in ticket allocation systems - not being able to afford the one off cost should have been no barrier to obtaining tickets provided you went to enough games). My problem with this system are mainly two fold (although there are other issues), firstly it seems to be all about ££££££ rather than fairness (although TBH IMHO that sums up the organisation these days) and secondly for those strapped for cash (and fortunately I'm not in that category - so this isn't just looking after No. 1 - far from it) it appears that the business are (by implication) suggesting you should join the BWF rather than going to away games. Is that really what supporting a football club should be about? Really? Surely the business should be encouraging people to go to as many games as possible not to join some lottery or sitting in dull BWF meetings. I really don't get it all. When you can't sleep you may reminisce about exciting BWF meetings you've been to but I think of wins at the likes of Exeter, Swansea, Brentford and Wolverhampton (etc etc.). Each to their own I suppose. Attending games is what supporting a club should be all about and surely that is the only fair way to measure your loyalty. The time you're prepared to spend on the club not the size of the £££££ in your bank balance. First and foremost we are a club even though Clibbens seems to have forgotten that most of the time and a club should treat its members / followers fairly. Those that are suggesting this issue doesn't really matter are missing the point. Tomorrow (or next year)we could get Liverpool away and then demand will really outstrip supply. If we don't get an unfair system changed now it may become too late. Plus I want to feel like we're a club again and some greater fairness in ticket allocation (rather than Clibbens just thinking about ££££££) may help there. PS Could I ask one more thing Tanzanian. Could you please not give me a lecture on the club needing to be more businesslike. I really fear you'd be the sort. I'm an Economics graduate from a proper (Russell group) university and a Chartered Accountant. What some don't seem to get is that a football club is a very special type of business. HTFC seem to be forgetting they're a club at the moment. Some have walked already (possibly for that reason). I know that if I ever do it will be for that reason. The likes of Bobby Collins, Barry Endean, Terry Austin, Ian Bray, Malcolm Mcdonald, Willie Mcstay, John Kelly, Nat Brown, Mick Wadsworth, Kevin Sharp, Matty Young and many many more never made me consider stopping watching Town. Nigel Clibbens may just be capable of doing that. He is (I fear - he certainly gives that impression) the worst type of Accountant (the ones that give my proffesion such a bad name in many circles). He seems to know the cost of everything but the VALUE of nothing. [/quote] First class ranting Top marks I'd be happy with that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 13:31:49 GMT 1
Well I'm a season ticket holder and get to about four away games a season, the last being Ipswich, but it's beginning to look like I'll miss out on this one. I need a ticket for my son too, who isn't a season ticket holder, so fair enough, but having said that I'm not happy about it. Ruined our yearly Boxing Day outing basically, but I don't know what the answer is. One thing though, why Monday for general sale. If as it is, still possible to buy online, surely they could have brought it forward to Sunday. I think one day, two for season ticket holders, is more than enough really. So in this case at least, it looks like they'll be making me a disgruntled season ticket holder and occasional away supporter too. You will get one tomorrow easy
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Dec 7, 2014 13:37:20 GMT 1
On the basis of this argument would it also have stuck in your throat if you were stood in the queue behind a SC holder? You completely and spectacularly have missed the point. As poor an effort as a Barry Endean shot on goal. Not sure why you think I'm not a season ticket holder. For all but a few years I've been a season ticket holder since 1970/71 (initially via my parents). I had a season ticket for a number of years on the East Terrace when very few bought season tickets. Partly for economic reasons but primarily to ensure tickets for big games. The only time I wasn't a season ticket holder was firstly a period when for a degree of independence (and partly to fund my away travel)I sold golden goal tickets and then programmes to gain free admission and a (very) small wage and then when I first went to University, I stupidly thought that I wouldn't get back for many games. Whilst still at school, to aid the club (I thought they were a club then rather than just a p**s poor apology for a business) and to fund my away travel i sold lottery tickets. I've not lived in Huddersfield since 1980 but since the mid eighties I've always had a season ticket even though my match day commute (currently 165 miles) has on occasions exceeeded 200 miles. My parents were both season ticket holders at the point of their deaths. In fact my Mother continued to buy My Dad's season ticket for a few years partly because she couldn't bear the thought of someone sitting in his seat but partly to support the club (they were still a club then). If at any point up to the last few years you'd have suggested that I wouldn't have been a ST holder at death then I'd have laughed at you, but as Clibbens turns HTFC day by day into just a business, then I'm afraid I can see the day quickly approaching when I'll just jack it in. Judging by our falling attendences I'm not alone in this view. We are debating the method of allocating tickets between season ticket holders (although I should also point out that before the introduction of "payment in instalments" options Non season ticket holders should always have been included in ticket allocation systems - not being able to afford the one off cost should have been no barrier to obtaining tickets provided you went to enough games). My problem with this system are mainly two fold (although there are other issues), firstly it seems to be all about ££££££ rather than fairness (although TBH IMHO that sums up the organisation these days) and secondly for those strapped for cash (and fortunately I'm not in that category - so this isn't just looking after No. 1 - far from it) it appears that the business are (by implication) suggesting you should join the BWF rather than going to away games. Is that really what supporting a football club should be about? Really? Surely the business should be encouraging people to go to as many games as possible not to join some lottery or sitting in dull BWF meetings. I really don't get it all. When you can't sleep you may reminisce about exciting BWF meetings you've been to but I think of wins at the likes of Exeter, Swansea, Brentford and Wolverhampton (etc etc.). Each to their own I suppose. Attending games is what supporting a club should be all about and surely that is the only fair way to measure your loyalty. The time you're prepared to spend on the club not the size of the £££££ in your bank balance. First and foremost we are a club even though Clibbens seems to have forgotten that most of the time and a club should treat its members / followers fairly. Those that are suggesting this issue doesn't really matter are missing the point. Tomorrow (or next year)we could get Liverpool away and then demand will really outstrip supply. If we don't get an unfair system changed now it may become too late. Plus I want to feel like we're a club again and some greater fairness in ticket allocation (rather than Clibbens just thinking about ££££££) may help there. PS Could I ask one more thing Tanzanian. Could you please not give me a lecture on business. I really fear you'd be the sort. I'm an Economics graduate from a proper (Russell group) university and a Chartered Accountant. What some don't seem to get is that a football club is a very special type of business. HTFC seem to be forgetting they're a club at the moment. Some have walked already (possibly for that reason). I know that if I ever do it will be for that reason. The likes of Bobby Collins, Barry Endean, Terry Austin, Ian Bray, Malcolm Mcdonald, Willie Mcstay, John Kelly, Nat Brown, Mick Wadsworth, Kevin Sharp, Matty Young and many many more never made me consider stopping watching Town. Nigel Clibbens may just be capable of doing that. He is (I fear - he certainly gives that impression) the worst type of Accountant (the ones that give my proffesion such a bad name in many circles). He seems to know the cost of everything but the VALUE of nothing. [/quote] I fully accept that I should have put the caveat, "if you were not a SC holder..." but it never entered my mind that you were or were not a SC holder. I fail to see how I have tried to lecture you on business other than pointing the glaringly obvious that the club does not receive any revenue from away games. But I really will sleep better knowing you are considerably more qualified than I and thanks for reminding me of my place in such a David Melloresque way or indeed sounding like Andrew Mitchell lecturing the plebs. What I feel is that you have really missed the point and your opinion is subjective, as is mine and probably everybody else who has commented on this thread. But for clarity you said... "to have found myself behind BWF members in the queue for away games would really have stuck in the throat........" and the point was that on that basis, if you were not a season ticket holder (we all know that you are one now and my failing was not mentioning if you were or were not) but if you were not a season ticket holder would it still stuck in your throat if a SC holder was in front of you. Because a SC holder has invested in the club, as many do in so many different ways ie BWF, Patrons, Take 10 etc etc and therefore a SC holder has found himself receiving priority treatment, just the same as a BWF In my clearly less well educated opinion, football is as you describe is a special type of business but nonetheless no matter how special it is, it is still a business and for fear of actually challenging an economic guru, am I being simplistic in saying that all income and revenue streams ideally should not exceed outgoings. But what do I know? Non season ticket holder are involved in the ticket allocation, it just so happens that SC holders and others have first bite of the cherry. Thanks for telling me all about yourself and reminding me of my place squire as I doth my cap to you.
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 7, 2014 13:55:05 GMT 1
Tanzanian
I write a rant about the business not being fair to its supporters and those without ££££££ and you compare me to David Mellor, Andrew Mitchell & a Country Squire?
What planet are you on?
If you want to take the p**s then I might sound like Tony Benn but the list you've provided???
TBF you didn't really criticise my business sense. I was getting my retaliation in first. Others have already tried to justify NC's actions on business grounds and given your posts I guessed you'd be itching to. & reading your response I'm preeeeety sure I was right.
IMHO the club concentrating too much on ££££££ can backfire as they can forget they're a club. Ultimately losing rather than gaining revenue. They could well lose mine one of these days.
PS UTT apologies if I offended you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 14:15:26 GMT 1
They try to sell more b&w tickets buy saying you get priority tickets. Priority tickets that you would never need. Has anyone ever not got a ticket to a town match who wanted one??? I'd be amazed if they hadn't
So in short the b&w gets more funding and everyone gets a ticket.great business to me
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Dec 7, 2014 14:43:33 GMT 1
Tanzanian I write a rant about the business not being fair to its supporters and those without ££££££ and you compare me to David Mellor, Andrew Mitchell & a Country Squire? What planet are you on? If you want to take the p**s then I might sound like Tony Benn but the list you've provided??? TBF you didn't really criticise my business sense. I was getting my retaliation in first. Others have already tried to justify NC's actions on business grounds and given your posts I guessed you'd be itching to. & reading your response I'm preeeeety sure I was right. IMHO the club concentrating too much on ££££££ can backfire as they can forget they're a club. Ultimately losing rather than gaining revenue. They could well lose mine one of these days. PS UTT apologies if I offended you. I have just reread my posts just to check and cannot see where once did I mention NC and you are right I didn't. Nor will I mention him. It is was the holier than thou, "PS Could I ask one more thing Tanzanian. Could you please not give me a lecture on business. I'm an Economics graduate from a proper (Russell group) university and Chartered Accountant" It reminded me of David Mellor telling the taxi driver how good he was and how not so good the taxi driver was and to shut up. Or indeed Andrew Mitchell telling the cops he was busy running the country whilst the plebs were doing the mundane jobs. But you have eluded that this was in fact your way of dealing with the response you anticipated although as you say I did not criticise your business sense nor mention NC. But you are right I was taking the piss in response to the above, which seemed an appropriate response to your self confessed rant and as part of the "conflict resolution model" was a measured response. In essence the response was to the sticking in the throat behind BWF members and me in simple terms what is the difference between standing behind a SC holder or a BWF member. Both are receiving priority treatment. It seems you are saying that it is OK for SC holders to get priority treatment but not BWF members. You will be glad to know that I have never ever been to a BWF meeting and the 9000 mile commute prevents that from happening although I probably would not go now, knowing that they are so dull. So fortuitously I have not had the experience of lying awake at night thinking of them. As I have said all the ideas on whether it is fair or not is subjective and maybe this is an issue you would like to be brought to the attention of the ATT Voices Panel. I just so happen to think it is fair but that is a subjective point of view and one reason for becoming a BWF member was in the knowledge that they do get priority ticketing and of course this system has been used previously. So with that in mind it should not have been any surprise to anyone that the would use the same system again. It seems that this is perhaps the first time at least this season that Tiered Ticketing has become an issue to some and looking at the ticket sales it appears that about 1700 are happy with the current system. What appears to magnify the problem is that it is Rotherham, on Boxing Day at a Stadia that many may not have been to. I do not recall the same furore a few seasons ago, when we played Carlisle on Boxing Day and as I pulled into Lancaster Services was met by Oggy and Kieren O'Regan telling me and my better half the game was off but it was Pay on the Day for that fixture. At least we are agreed on one thing though.......................... UTT
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 7, 2014 15:26:23 GMT 1
I don't get this attitude that the club has to away games where they continually say 'we don't make any money from them', true, but as a fan I couldn't give two hoots whether the club make any money from them or not. I am still supporting the club by travelling to the game, getting behind the players. I assume by adopting this attitude they aren't interested in my support because I'm not handing over money to Town, is that all the club care about? Money?
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Post by impact on Dec 7, 2014 15:51:08 GMT 1
I don't get this attitude that the club has to away games where they continually say 'we don't make any money from them', true, but as a fan I couldn't give two hoots whether the club make any money from them or not. I am still supporting the club by travelling to the game, getting behind the players. I assume by adopting this attitude they aren't interested in my support because I'm not handing over money to Town, is that all the club care about? Money? Hang on, you can't complain about a lack of ambition then complain about the club wanting to make money. You can't expect us to spend big without getting money into the club.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 16:11:23 GMT 1
I don't get this attitude that the club has to away games where they continually say 'we don't make any money from them', true, but as a fan I couldn't give two hoots whether the club make any money from them or not. I am still supporting the club by travelling to the game, getting behind the players. I assume by adopting this attitude they aren't interested in my support because I'm not handing over money to Town, is that all the club care about? Money? Hang on, you can't complain about a lack of ambition then complain about the club wanting to make money. You can't expect us to spend big without getting money into the club. Never let past opinions get in the way of a good old moan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 16:14:55 GMT 1
I don't get this attitude that the club has to away games where they continually say 'we don't make any money from them', true, but as a fan I couldn't give two hoots whether the club make any money from them or not. I am still supporting the club by travelling to the game, getting behind the players. I assume by adopting this attitude they aren't interested in my support because I'm not handing over money to Town, is that all the club care about? Money? Yes, that's why we set the foundation up, to pinch the school dinner money off the poor kids.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Dec 7, 2014 16:19:06 GMT 1
I don't get this attitude that the club has to away games where they continually say 'we don't make any money from them', true, but as a fan I couldn't give two hoots whether the club make any money from them or not. I am still supporting the club by travelling to the game, getting behind the players. I assume by adopting this attitude they aren't interested in my support because I'm not handing over money to Town, is that all the club care about? Money? What "attitude"?
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Post by swam4mwg on Dec 7, 2014 16:30:56 GMT 1
I have never missed out on a Town away match that I have wanted to go to. You just make sure you get in first. Town rarely sell out at away games. Rotherham might be different. A new ground for many and it is on Boxing Day. Lets face it, only 1,600 Town fans went to Elland Road.That just about sums it up.
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Post by rocky on Dec 7, 2014 16:42:22 GMT 1
I have never missed out on a Town away match that I have wanted to go to. You just make sure you get in first. Town rarely sell out at away games. Rotherham might be different. A new ground for many and it is on Boxing Day. Lets face it, only 1,600 Town fans went to Elland Road.That just about sums it up. Absolutely. That's how I see it too. The way you get in first is to buy a SC, join the B&W & keep away ticket stubs (in case they become necessary).
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