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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 7, 2014 16:50:40 GMT 1
I don't get this attitude that the club has to away games where they continually say 'we don't make any money from them', true, but as a fan I couldn't give two hoots whether the club make any money from them or not. I am still supporting the club by travelling to the game, getting behind the players. I assume by adopting this attitude they aren't interested in my support because I'm not handing over money to Town, is that all the club care about? Money? What "attitude"? Clibbens has said on more than one occasion that 'the club don't make money on away game' blah blah like they don't give a shit about the fans that travel away regularly. Besides, I got a ticket for Rotherham, I've no real beef with how they've sold the allocation but I do agree if you've attended so many away games you get first dibs on tickets. I understand the club don't sell out more often than not, everyone usually gets a ticket who wants one for most away games.
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Post by swam4mwg on Dec 7, 2014 16:55:07 GMT 1
I have never missed out on a Town away match that I have wanted to go to. You just make sure you get in first. Town rarely sell out at away games. Rotherham might be different. A new ground for many and it is on Boxing Day. Lets face it, only 1,600 Town fans went to Elland Road.That just about sums it up. Absolutely. That's how I see it too. The way you get in first is to buy a SC, join the B&W & keep away ticket stubs (in case they become necessary). I have a season ticket. I am not a BWF member and I don't save ticket stubs. You will always get a ticket at Town. There is always a lack of urgency in buying tickets.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 7, 2014 16:57:56 GMT 1
I don't get this attitude that the club has to away games where they continually say 'we don't make any money from them', true, but as a fan I couldn't give two hoots whether the club make any money from them or not. I am still supporting the club by travelling to the game, getting behind the players. I assume by adopting this attitude they aren't interested in my support because I'm not handing over money to Town, is that all the club care about? Money? Hang on, you can't complain about a lack of ambition then complain about the club wanting to make money. You can't expect us to spend big without getting money into the club. At no point when I made the 'ambition' statement did I say the club should go out spending a shit load a brass it doesn't have.....smart arse. It just seems to me the club want you to continually spend money with them. Buy a season ticket, buy a shirt, join the blue and white but if you go away regularly we're not really interested in that support, that's how it feels. Just like that shit loyalyty scheme they brought in, they gave you more loyalty points for buying some tat from the club shop than going to Yeovil away, what shows more loyalty, schlepping to Yeovil or spending brass in the club shop? Or do I have my definition of loyalty skewed?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 7, 2014 16:58:40 GMT 1
you go away from home but you are highly unlikely to buy a season ticket.. you are not going to get priority for the odd away game where we might sell out.. it would be financial stupidity to prioritise you and possibly alienate a person who invests in the club in a big wad before the season starts..
we might want away support, we 'need' home support and we also need money up front punters.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 7, 2014 17:01:41 GMT 1
you go away from home but you are highly unlikely to buy a season ticket.. you are not going to get priority for the odd away game where we might sell out.. it would be financial stupidity to prioritise you and possibly alienate a person who invests in the club in a big wad before the season starts.. we might want away support, we 'need' home support and we also need money up front punters. If you're referring to me, I am a season ticket holder and in the BWF too.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 7, 2014 17:40:20 GMT 1
The tier cake System is fair imo This going to every away game thing is silly, So we've sold 1600 to ST holders and blue and white, Still nearly Thousand for anybody else from now or Monday this week, anyone who misss out can't be bothered enough. Can't see problem. some of your post is the most sensible stuff you have ever posted,,,apart from the cake bit,thats like your usuall shite Bit harsh, was trying to use the tiers on wedding cake analogy Diggers. At least you said it was a bit sensible.
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 7, 2014 18:16:58 GMT 1
I have never missed out on a Town away match that I have wanted to go to. You just make sure you get in first. Town rarely sell out at away games. Rotherham might be different. A new ground for many and it is on Boxing Day. Lets face it, only 1,600 Town fans went to Elland Road.That just about sums it up. Absolutely. That's how I see it too. The way you get in first is to buy a SC, join the B&W & keep away ticket stubs (in case they become necessary). If we get Liverpool away tomorrow loads of season ticket holders who want to go will miss out. Hence we should always have a fair system of allocation. Surely that means the peolpe who go most regularly to away games have the best chance of tickets for the biggest game. I just can't see how or why that isn't fair (& no-one has ever given an arguement that suggests it isn't) I've complained (ranted even - almost hypo-ventilated on occasions - I accept it I get much too worked up about this issue) about this policy since day one. I can't see how it's fair that we have a policy that favours those with enough spare cash to join the BWF and that supporters who are stapped for cash are (by implication) pushed by the club to join the BWF rather than actually going to away games. I just can't see how thats fair or what supporting a football club should be about. I've complained to the club and got a sh8*te response. Truly and utterly sh8*te. They didn't even have the decency (which at least some are accepting now) to admit it was all about money and that as they didn't get much (they get I believe 10% of all sales as an administration fee) they didn't give a sh8*te how many away games people went to but they wanted everyone to join the BWF and have the most expensive away ticket scheme in the league (possibly the entire world). I have to think this is down to Clibbens (who surely didn't grow up as a Town fan or we'd have heard about it by now). I can't believe the lad I've seen dancing on the pitch at Bury thinks being a member of the BWF is what being a football supporter should be all about if you're strapped for cash. PS I'll stress again this isn't protecting my position. It's trying to protect the position of the 17 year old version of me who didn't have any spare cash at all but saw 20+ away games in 1979/80. When I look around the stands at say Watford or Reading I see lots of young lads like I was who simply will not have the brass to be in the BWF. There is simply no logic or justification (IMHO) in the fact a BWF member who hasn't been away since Wembley should get a ticket for Liverpool ahead of those lads. No justification at all.
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 7, 2014 18:51:46 GMT 1
you go away from home but you are highly unlikely to buy a season ticket.. you are not going to get priority for the odd away game where we might sell out.. it would be financial stupidity to prioritise you and possibly alienate a person who invests in the club in a big wad before the season starts.. we might want away support, we 'need' home support and we also need money up front punters. I don't get your point. Surely we're debating how to differentiate between season ticket holders aren't we? The club (to their great credit - I don't always slag them off - although not to do this would be financial suicide) have introduced interest free payment schemes to allow loyal supporters who are strapped for cash to spread their payments over the course of a season. If you really are a regular attendee & you didn't have a season ticket these days then you're a bit daft TBH. Surely what we're debating is the whether or not the club are right to (by implication) encourage those who are strapped for cash to join the BWF rather than going to away games. Doesn't seem right to me or much fun. But if you enjoy those (often) boring Patron / BWF meetings more than an away day out good luck to you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 18:52:41 GMT 1
Just said on't wireless that Villa v Man utd tickets are £27 quid. Good price for modern. Puts Wednesday and Leeds to shame.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 20:17:34 GMT 1
I'm loving all the posts on here, some of them make war and peace look like a few sentences in comparison.
And yet, there are still hundreds of tickets available. Calm down FFS!!!
Call the ticket office tomorrow if you want some, if you don't get any, there's only one person to blame.......
YOU!!!!
Amen.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 20:20:27 GMT 1
By the way, I'm a season card holder and BWF member. Never been to a patrons meeting once but for £6 a month or whatever it is it supports the academy so I can't see the big deal. £6 a month is less than a newspaper each day?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 20:22:33 GMT 1
1 years BWF is about the same as 1 away game so i struggle with "being strapped for cash so choose to go to away games instead of joining BWF"?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Dec 7, 2014 20:30:54 GMT 1
1 years BWF is about the same as 1 away game so i struggle with "being strapped for cash so choose to go to away games instead of joining BWF"? I think Town should operate a system of means testing, coupled with a complex system of fan points based on their away game attendance to ensure that these once every 10 year events are administered entirely fairly to prevent elitist BWF and Patrons members getting their leather clad mitts on tickets before someone more deserving. And Clibbens should be forced to devise and implement the system - then subjected to close scrutiny every 6 months to make sure his attitude towards away fans is entirely acceptable to us all.
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Post by swam4mwg on Dec 7, 2014 20:40:24 GMT 1
Absolutely. That's how I see it too. The way you get in first is to buy a SC, join the B&W & keep away ticket stubs (in case they become necessary). If we get Liverpool away tomorrow loads of season ticket holders who want to go will miss out. Hence we should always have a fair system of allocation. Surely that means the peolpe who go most regularly to away games have the best chance of tickets for the biggest game. I just can't see how or why that isn't fair (& no-one has ever given an arguement that suggests it isn't) I've complained (ranted even - almost hypo-ventilated on occasions - I accept it I get much too worked up about this issue) about this policy since day one. I can't see how it's fair that we have a policy that favours those with enough spare cash to join the BWF and that supporters who are stapped for cash are (by implication) pushed by the club to join the BWF rather than actually going to away games. I just can't see how thats fair or what supporting a football club should be about. I've complained to the club and got a sh8*te response. Truly and utterly sh8*te. They didn't even have the decency (which at least some are accepting now) to admit it was all about money and that as they didn't get much (they get I believe 10% of all sales as an administration fee) they didn't give a sh8*te how many away games people went to but they wanted everyone to join the BWF and have the most expensive away ticket scheme in the league (possibly the entire world). I have to think this is down to Clibbens (who surely didn't grow up as a Town fan or we'd have heard about it by now). I can't believe the lad I've seen dancing on the pitch at Bury thinks being a member of the BWF is what being a football supporter should be all about if you're strapped for cash. PS I'll stress again this isn't protecting my position. It's trying to protect the position of the 17 year old version of me who didn't have any spare cash at all but saw 20+ away games in 1979/80. When I look around the stands at say Watford or Reading I see lots of young lads like I was who simply will not have the brass to be in the BWF. There is simply no logic or justification (IMHO) in the fact a BWF member who hasn't been away since Wembley should get a ticket for Liverpool ahead of those lads. No justification at all. When Town played Liverpool at home in 1999, only season ticket holders were guaranteed a seat. Loads of regular Town fans who didn't have a season ticket missed out! That was a terrible act by the club. Lets put this in a proper light though, this post is about Rotherham tickets and there are loads left. Liverpool away is a different kettle of fish. You could also ask what plan of action would Town implement if we ever got into the Premier League. Town would have a sudden extra few thousand 'loyal' fans.
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Post by tinyterrier on Dec 7, 2014 20:56:27 GMT 1
I agree with The cancun Kid with regards to BWF, its a small price to pay to try and help sustain the very foundations of this football club. There are always going to be a million and one ideas on which is best and none will ever suit everybody. However, in the grand scheme of things how many people have not been able to go to an away game of their choice because they couldn't get tickets?? There is only one match that i have experience of this and it is Arsenal away in the FA cup, i still went in the home end, added to this i have not had a season ticket for 10 Years but have been a BWF holder from the start.
I don't thinks it is a problem we need to worry about, and i think this is summed up by there being nearly 1,000 tickets left for general sale at Rotherham, i was afraid that getting one on day 2 of the tiered system may seem impossible to the point that i got my wife to phone early doors. No panic.
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Post by rubicon on Dec 8, 2014 10:27:36 GMT 1
All that panic for nothing. Just got mine. Ticket Office is open EARLY, at least online for anyone waiting until 9.30.
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Post by stottyhtfc on Dec 8, 2014 10:33:49 GMT 1
Got 2 tickets and 2 coach tickets, easy as that Anybody that doesn't get tickets only has themselves to blame.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 8, 2014 10:44:18 GMT 1
....Wednesday,tier 16 -
Season card holders of over 5 years standing who have been members of Blue and white foundation for over 6 months but who aren't patrons and have 5 away ticket stubs from this season plus 10 away ticket stubs from either but not both of the previous two seasons, who are buying an extra ticket for a non season ticket holder who isn't in the blue and white foundation but are a patron, who have two away ticket stubs from either of the past four seasons.
..Thursday, tier 17...
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 8, 2014 11:32:10 GMT 1
Got mine only 400 left
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Post by Sheffield Terrier on Dec 8, 2014 11:33:48 GMT 1
Just bought 4
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2014 12:59:15 GMT 1
Just bought 4 You greedy bastard!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 8, 2014 14:21:16 GMT 1
Well, it looks like everyone has got one who wants one!! Panic over.
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Post by Sio on Dec 8, 2014 15:11:08 GMT 1
Sold out. Good effort
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Post by AndySk on Dec 8, 2014 15:28:11 GMT 1
All these people crying over how we handle tickets sales can you please list all these games you wanted to go to but couldn't because you couldnt get a ticket?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 8, 2014 15:40:53 GMT 1
its a non event. if the club allowed season card holders to buy shitloads from the off then I might have some sympathy, they didn't and I haven't. simple, we don't have to panic or rush to get on the phone/interweb or ticket office because we have invested in the club as well as supporting the club ie; the b&w foundation.
the figures for away support broken down into season card holders and non season card holders attending might be interesting. take away the Fulham game and I bet there are still more card holders than non card holders. scrub that, I bet there were more card holders at Fulham..
some posters seem to suggest that out of the 8/9 thousand card holders the vast majority don't go to away games, which is shite.
at some of our less well attended away games I see lots and lots of faces I have seen at many, many home games.
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Post by suffolkterrier on Dec 8, 2014 15:53:16 GMT 1
On a minor point about away tickets. If it is accepted that Town get 10% as an administrative fee for selling them they make a massive mark up on the postage of said tickets; 4 tickets for Saturday's game at Norwich ,face value £65 ;total cost £69; cost of postage In reality 47p. Always impressed by the ticket office's efficiency but a very expensive service non the less. Before anyone says I should go down and collect them myself, my user name might be a clue. Let's hope for 3 points on Saturday,. UTT.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 8, 2014 15:57:30 GMT 1
Im 99% certain that clubs get a 5% commission for away tickets they sell.
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Post by townatheart on Dec 8, 2014 15:59:31 GMT 1
On a minor point about away tickets. If it is accepted that Town get 10% as an administrative fee for selling them they make a massive mark up on the postage of said tickets; 4 tickets for Saturday's game at Norwich ,face value £65 ;total cost £69; cost of postage In reality 47p. Always impressed by the ticket office's efficiency but a very expensive service non the less. Before anyone says I should go down and collect them myself, my user name might be a clue. Let's hope for 3 points on Saturday,. UTT. when businesses do this, there is also the cost of an envelope and staff time etc etc that they factor in (that plus a big mark up), so it is more than simply the cost of a stamp a business has to cover
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Post by deo1 on Dec 8, 2014 16:01:08 GMT 1
Clibbens is a leeds fan, he said so at his first meet and greet session the club had when he came on board and they all had a laugh about it and rightly so.
Also this ticket situation people are harping on about, I've not had a season ticket for 3 seasons now and I've got a ticket to every cup, league or playoff game ive wanted to go to and that includes Arsenal away, Leeds away when everyone wanted to go and tickets were like gold dust so I look at it this way and that's if you want to go to a certain game there are ways and means to get your hands on the tickets, I've never struggled.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 8, 2014 16:10:07 GMT 1
Hope everyone got one that wanted one!
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