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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 16, 2014 18:54:00 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Dec 16, 2014 19:10:55 GMT 1
Very good appointment IMO.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 16, 2014 23:33:07 GMT 1
Its funny how other clubs can manage to appoint a quality manager within a couple of days, whereas it took us a month to appoint a bloke who was out of work.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Dec 16, 2014 23:39:58 GMT 1
They sacked Adkins though so probably had a head start
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 23:59:27 GMT 1
Its funny how other clubs can manage to appoint a quality manager within a couple of days, whereas it took us a month to appoint a bloke who was out of work. It took us 6 months NOT to sack someone who should have been... so no great surprise.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 17, 2014 0:21:05 GMT 1
Only on Datm can another club appointing a new manager bring about sly digs at our own clubs appointment process!!
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Post by ritchie on Dec 17, 2014 1:07:25 GMT 1
Its funny how other clubs can manage to appoint a quality manager within a couple of days, whereas it took us a month to appoint a bloke who was out of work. few days (6?) to appoint grayson. circumstances. good appointment IMO.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 17, 2014 10:45:29 GMT 1
Only on Datm can another club appointing a new manager bring about sly digs at our own clubs appointment process!! A dig that is justified in my opinion. We could have had Powell in much earlier and given him time to shape in his own squad in this summer's transfer window.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 10:50:42 GMT 1
Only on Datm can another club appointing a new manager bring about sly digs at our own clubs appointment process!! A dig that is justified in my opinion. We could have had Powell in much earlier and given him time to shape in his own squad in this summer's transfer window. I think the suspicion is that Robins had spent the money allocated, and the new guy wouldn't have owt to play with. How much are we wasting on poor old Radi (as sorry as you can be for anyone on a minimum of £200k PA)
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 17, 2014 11:59:36 GMT 1
A couple of days ago we were laughing all the way to the 4th Rnd. Now that match has become a lot more difficult!
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Dec 17, 2014 12:23:57 GMT 1
Its funny how other clubs can manage to appoint a quality manager within a couple of days, whereas it took us a month to appoint a bloke who was out of work. Might be best to give it half a season first as there are plenty of managers who do well somewhere and never seem to repeat it at another club for whatever reason. He has effectively been out of work for a year so why havent other clubs appointed him before now?! Not to say he wont be good, he may well be, but its too early to say.
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 17, 2014 12:38:34 GMT 1
Looks a good appointment on paper. I'm sure he'll have had other offers, but has been waiting for the "right challenge" (bucketloads of cash).
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Post by shawsie on Dec 17, 2014 15:08:27 GMT 1
Only on Datm can another club appointing a new manager bring about sly digs at our own clubs appointment process!! A dig that is justified in my opinion. We could have had Powell in much earlier and given him time to shape in his own squad in this summer's transfer window. Why is it justified? Its clear that reading had eyes on a replacement for adkins for some time as there has been talk of his dismissal for weeks now.......that wasnt the case with us, and having had the quitter robins depart unexpectedly, the club HAD to make sure they scoured the market for a replacement who both had ambition and drive but who would work under our constraints. Unless of course you want us to appoint a Darko Milanic or Dave Hockaday at the personal behest of a megalomaniac owner??!! Also, we all agree the squad needs shaping, but if i was dean i would be asking my new recruit to at least watch and observe what we had before letting him loose with a cheque book - he got his hands singed by lee clark on that score several yrs before!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 17, 2014 15:29:51 GMT 1
A dig that is justified in my opinion. We could have had Powell in much earlier and given him time to shape in his own squad in this summer's transfer window. Why is it justified? Its clear that reading had eyes on a replacement for adkins for some time as there has been talk of his dismissal for weeks now.......that wasnt the case with us, and having had the quitter robins depart unexpectedly, the club HAD to make sure they scoured the market for a replacement who both had ambition and drive but who would work under our constraints. Unless of course you want us to appoint a Darko Milanic or Dave Hockaday at the personal behest of a megalomaniac owner??!! Also, we all agree the squad needs shaping, but if i was dean i would be asking my new recruit to at least watch and observe what we had before letting him loose with a cheque book - he got his hands singed by lee clark on that score several yrs before! It took us 38 days to appoint Clark after Ternent was sacked. 5 days to appoint Grayson after Clark was sacked (we won promotion so this quick decision worked out) 21 days to appoint Robins after Grayson was sacked 25 days to appoint Powell after Robins walked (he surely must have been on borrowed time anyway). Each time (Grayson excepted) the club stated that it would take its time to appoint the right man. Whilst I really hope that Powell proves to be that man, they haven't had much success with this policy so far.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 17, 2014 15:30:11 GMT 1
Only on Datm can another club appointing a new manager bring about sly digs at our own clubs appointment process!! A dig that is justified in my opinion. We could have had Powell in much earlier and given him time to shape in his own squad in this summer's transfer window. Dean was on holiday when Robins quit. If I remember rightly at the time the call was to get the appointment right rather than rush and get in another 18 month manager. Lillis had seteadied the ship and we were picking up points which included a win at Reading on the 19th August when Powell said he was first interviewed, it is prudent to go through a process given we needed to get the appointment correct. It is likely at the time that there were still other candidates to be interviewed and this was before the second round of interviews with the shortlisted candidates. All this would have left Powell 2 or 3 days of window to work with at best. Reading knew exactly when they were sacking Adkins and were at least thinking about it to 'tap up' prospective candidates, this allowed them to move quickly once they pulled the trigger. Clearly by Robins quitting 24 hours into the season we were caught 'with our trousers down' according to DH. It's patently clear that Reading's process started way before Monday.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 17, 2014 15:45:18 GMT 1
Why is it justified? Its clear that reading had eyes on a replacement for adkins for some time as there has been talk of his dismissal for weeks now.......that wasnt the case with us, and having had the quitter robins depart unexpectedly, the club HAD to make sure they scoured the market for a replacement who both had ambition and drive but who would work under our constraints. Unless of course you want us to appoint a Darko Milanic or Dave Hockaday at the personal behest of a megalomaniac owner??!! Also, we all agree the squad needs shaping, but if i was dean i would be asking my new recruit to at least watch and observe what we had before letting him loose with a cheque book - he got his hands singed by lee clark on that score several yrs before! It took us 38 days to appoint Clark after Ternent was sacked. 5 days to appoint Grayson after Clark was sacked (we won promotion so this quick decision worked out) 21 days to appoint Robins after Grayson was sacked 25 days to appoint Powell after Robins walked (he surely must have been on borrowed time anyway). Each time (Grayson excepted) the club stated that it would take its time to appoint the right man. Whilst I really hope that Powell proves to be that man, they haven't had much success with this policy so far. The Clark appointment IMO was a good one and we were in no danger of relegation and unlikely to be promoted and it was DH's first managerial selection process. Clark was employed by another club and we had to ask permission to speak with him and agree compensation with Norwich before appointing him. Clark failed in his objective of promotion but more than set the wheels in motion for our progress. The Grayson appointment was very speedy similar to Reading's out of work manager appointed by a club preparing to sack their own manager. This was an appointment that achieved our goal of promotion. The Robins appointment was again another manager employed elsewhere so we had to go through hoops of seeking Coventry's permission to speak to him and then agree to compensation with them and all this was after the club had identified Robins as THEIR man with similar ideas of nurturing the youth set up at the club again it was a good one as the initial job of securing survival was achieved. Robins leaving was not the club's decision and they had to start the process from the very beginning of an application stage I dare say we were still receiving applications one week after Robins left so we could hardly have appointed someone in just a few days. If the club had targeted Chris Powell as the man THEY wanted then the appointment could have been quickly made but this was not the case and CP emerged on top after all the other applicants had either been considered, met or interviewed. IMO there is no reason to have a dig at the club for their managerial selection process, they have yet to get an appointment correct in the long term but 2 of the 3 managers appointed before Powell achieved their initial aim. We are far from alone regarding getting the perfect managerial appointment, given that CP is already 72th of 92 in longest tenured managers shows what sort of success rate there actually is.
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Post by Solid Snake on Dec 17, 2014 16:03:47 GMT 1
I'm not really fussed how long it took our club to find a new manager. I'd rather the club took their time and did a thorough interview process and properly look at all the available options than rushing into things. Plus, during these transitional periods we have a man in Mark Lillis who is more than capable in taking the driving seat.
..but the Grayson appointment was a quick one and proved to be a successful one. I think it was one of them right time, right place appointments.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 17, 2014 19:30:47 GMT 1
Why is it justified? Its clear that reading had eyes on a replacement for adkins for some time as there has been talk of his dismissal for weeks now.......that wasnt the case with us, and having had the quitter robins depart unexpectedly, the club HAD to make sure they scoured the market for a replacement who both had ambition and drive but who would work under our constraints. Unless of course you want us to appoint a Darko Milanic or Dave Hockaday at the personal behest of a megalomaniac owner??!! Also, we all agree the squad needs shaping, but if i was dean i would be asking my new recruit to at least watch and observe what we had before letting him loose with a cheque book - he got his hands singed by lee clark on that score several yrs before! It took us 38 days to appoint Clark after Ternent was sacked. 5 days to appoint Grayson after Clark was sacked (we won promotion so this quick decision worked out) 21 days to appoint Robins after Grayson was sacked 25 days to appoint Powell after Robins walked (he surely must have been on borrowed time anyway). Each time (Grayson excepted) the club stated that it would take its time to appoint the right man. Whilst I really hope that Powell proves to be that man, they haven't had much success with this policy so far. No it's been shocking.....each manager departing leaving the club in a higher position than their predecessor with the notable exception of ternent who wasn't appointed by the current owner!!!! It might be slow and at times painful progress.....but imagine how forest, Brighton, Leeds, Wigan, Fulham, Blackburn et al fans feel right now. All except Brighton been in prem in last decade or so and continue to regress.
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Post by detox on Dec 17, 2014 19:49:12 GMT 1
Robins ? didn't we advertise, long list...short list..interview...then appoint someone who didn't apply ?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 17, 2014 19:53:01 GMT 1
Clark thread again......
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Post by ringdisco on Dec 17, 2014 19:58:08 GMT 1
Its funny how other clubs can manage to appoint a quality manager within a couple of days, whereas it took us a month to appoint a bloke who was out of work. few days (6?) to appoint grayson. circumstances. good appointment IMO. He said quality.
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Post by Solid Snake on Dec 17, 2014 20:10:56 GMT 1
few days (6?) to appoint grayson. circumstances. good appointment IMO. He said quality. He got us promotion to the Championship. A manager that has gained promotion with a few clubs and probably will do with Preston. Yes, I'd say quality. At getting promotion to the Championship at the very least.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 17, 2014 22:08:44 GMT 1
Only on Datm can another club appointing a new manager bring about sly digs at our own clubs appointment process!! A dig that is justified in my opinion. We could have had Powell in much earlier and given him time to shape in his own squad in this summer's transfer window. You don't know that , not unless you think the deal was done & dusted, but we just sat on our hands for the hell of it!!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 17, 2014 22:18:13 GMT 1
A dig that is justified in my opinion. We could have had Powell in much earlier and given him time to shape in his own squad in this summer's transfer window. You don't know that , not unless you think the deal was done & dusted, but we just sat on our hands for the hell of it!! He was out of work so he didn't have to give notice. How long does it take to appoint a member of the unemployed? Somebody else on here said he was first interviewed on the 19th of August which if true would suggest that maybe he wasn't the first choice.
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 17, 2014 22:21:21 GMT 1
Sreve Clarke is quality, was my first choice to replace Robins.
We should have gone all out to get him at the time.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 17, 2014 22:42:20 GMT 1
You don't know that , not unless you think the deal was done & dusted, but we just sat on our hands for the hell of it!! He was out of work so he didn't have to give notice. How long does it take to appoint a member of the unemployed? Somebody else on here said he was first interviewed on the 19th of August which if true would suggest that maybe he wasn't the first choice. It takes a length of time to go through the application, 1st interview and 2nd interview process. The club didn't have a first choice, they wanted to use a selection process rather than targeting any one person. He's the man who got the job. You said we could have had him sooner, we could but surely it is better for the club to consider every serious candidate, meet with the better ones and then offer the job to the one that they feel will do the best job and Powell was the ONLY one to be offered the position. It was YOU that had the dig about the length of time it took us to appoint Powell, I think it showed a foresight to ensure the Powell takes a good long assessment of the squad before he can shape it how he wishes. We weren't floundering at the time under Lillis. We did good business in the August window capturing the likes of Coady, Butterfield and Hudson, whilst getting fees for Clayton and Norwood. Powell stepped in to stop the sale of Scannell and got Holt on loan which were good deals, the Poyet loan deal whilst excellent on paper but it seemed to upset the balance of the team and so he wasn't retained.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 17, 2014 23:04:17 GMT 1
He was out of work so he didn't have to give notice. How long does it take to appoint a member of the unemployed? Somebody else on here said he was first interviewed on the 19th of August which if true would suggest that maybe he wasn't the first choice. It takes a length of time to go through the application, 1st interview and 2nd interview process. The club didn't have a first choice, they wanted to use a selection process rather than targeting any one person. He's the man who got the job. You said we could have had him sooner, we could but surely it is better for the club to consider every serious candidate, meet with the better ones and then offer the job to the one that they feel will do the best job and Powell was the ONLY one to be offered the position. It was YOU that had the dig about the length of time it took us to appoint Powell, I think it showed a foresight to ensure the Powell takes a good long assessment of the squad before he can shape it how he wishes. We weren't floundering at the time under Lillis. We did good business in the August window capturing the likes of Coady, Butterfield and Hudson, whilst getting fees for Clayton and Norwood. Powell stepped in to stop the sale of Scannell and got Holt on loan which were good deals, the Poyet loan deal whilst excellent on paper but it seemed to upset the balance of the team and so he wasn't retained. And I stand by my view. Five managers in just over six years is hardly an endorsement for the laboured selection process!
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Post by ritchie on Dec 18, 2014 1:21:51 GMT 1
few days (6?) to appoint grayson. circumstances. good appointment IMO. He said quality. I was one of graysons biggest critics...both before his appointment and after his sacking...He's the complete opposite of what i would look at in a manager (in terms of philosophy etc), but probably our best appointment in a decade. he achieved his objectives and got us promoted.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 18, 2014 2:19:53 GMT 1
It takes a length of time to go through the application, 1st interview and 2nd interview process. The club didn't have a first choice, they wanted to use a selection process rather than targeting any one person. He's the man who got the job. You said we could have had him sooner, we could but surely it is better for the club to consider every serious candidate, meet with the better ones and then offer the job to the one that they feel will do the best job and Powell was the ONLY one to be offered the position. It was YOU that had the dig about the length of time it took us to appoint Powell, I think it showed a foresight to ensure the Powell takes a good long assessment of the squad before he can shape it how he wishes. We weren't floundering at the time under Lillis. We did good business in the August window capturing the likes of Coady, Butterfield and Hudson, whilst getting fees for Clayton and Norwood. Powell stepped in to stop the sale of Scannell and got Holt on loan which were good deals, the Poyet loan deal whilst excellent on paper but it seemed to upset the balance of the team and so he wasn't retained. And I stand by my view. Five managers in just over six years is hardly an endorsement for the laboured selection process! Under DH's stewardship and selection process we have had 4 permanent managers since Dec 2008 A few selected others and the PL champions in that time. Man Utd ..... 3 managers Man City .... 3 managers Town ........ 4 managers Millwall .... 4 managers Charlton .... 4 managers Norwich...... 5 managers Sheff W ..... 5 managers Brighton..... 5 managers Southampton . 6 managers Chelsea...... 7 managers L666s ....... 7 managers I don't think there is anything remarkable or reason to be critical about our managerial selection process.
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Post by ringdisco on Dec 18, 2014 12:45:56 GMT 1
I was one of graysons biggest critics...both before his appointment and after his sacking...He's the complete opposite of what i would look at in a manager (in terms of philosophy etc), but probably our best appointment in a decade. he achieved his objectives and got us promoted. That is so sad, but in terms of objectives, you might be right.
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