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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 8:41:29 GMT 1
I've seen the Sainsburys advert a few times, not been to Sainsburys to shop though. I have however been provoked into sparing a moments thought for how tragic the 1st World War was though.
Brand is just an attention seeking wanker.
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Post by cheesyhtfc on Dec 19, 2014 9:10:51 GMT 1
The advert is basically a copy of Paul McCartney's "Pipes of Peace" video....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 9:18:43 GMT 1
The advert is basically a copy of Paul McCartney's "Pipes of Peace" video.... Do you think McCartney exploited the deaths of countless young men in order to sell records?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 9:25:43 GMT 1
The advert is basically a copy of Paul McCartney's "Pipes of Peace" video.... Do you think McCartney exploited the deaths of countless young men in order to sell records? There's a difference between art and advertising. You can argue about whether McCartney's real aim was just to make money, but that was definitely the intention of Sainsburys.
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Post by yeti1975 on Dec 19, 2014 9:34:24 GMT 1
I've seen the Sainsburys advert a few times, not been to Sainsburys to shop though. I have however been provoked into sparing a moments thought for how tragic the 1st World War was though. Brand is just an attention seeking wanker. could not agree more, total fucktard! Is Fucktard a word? if not it should be, and it should be used to describe Russell Brand! Merry Christmas
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 9:34:43 GMT 1
Do you think McCartney exploited the deaths of countless young men in order to sell records? There's a difference between art and advertising. You can argue about whether McCartney's real aim was just to make money, but that was definitely the intention of Sainsburys. A business trying to make money, whatever next.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 9:36:01 GMT 1
I've seen the Sainsburys advert a few times, not been to Sainsburys to shop though. I have however been provoked into sparing a moments thought for how tragic the 1st World War was though. Brand is just an attention seeking wanker. could not agree more, total fucktard! Is Fucktard a word? if not it should be, and it should be used to describe Russell Brand! Merry Christmas It's definitely in my vocabulary. Merry Christmas to you as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 9:44:46 GMT 1
There's a difference between art and advertising. You can argue about whether McCartney's real aim was just to make money, but that was definitely the intention of Sainsburys. A business trying to make money, whatever next. That's advertising, I've no problem with it; I'm a capitalist. I do however find the subject matter a bit crass for flogging bog rolls. The advert is a cynical attempt to manipulate your emotions so that you'll buy more tat. It's a bit seedy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 10:05:56 GMT 1
Brand talks brilliantly about addiction and recovery. He writes fantastically about football and the emotions of a being a supporter. So it's a shame that his forays into 'politics' make him sound like a 17 year old politics A level student who has just found a copy of Das Kapital in the college library. Oh well.
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Post by cheesyhtfc on Dec 19, 2014 10:46:06 GMT 1
The advert is basically a copy of Paul McCartney's "Pipes of Peace" video.... Do you think McCartney exploited the deaths of countless young men in order to sell records? Absolutely he did. People will always exploit emotive subjects to get their message across. The whole point of media is to make sure that as many people as possible 1) watch and 2) respond positively to what they're saying. If they didn't "exploit" things like the Christmas truce (which is surely more a wonderful story of togetherness and unity across peoples in the middle of tragedy), then frankly they wouldn't be doing their job properly.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 19, 2014 10:50:42 GMT 1
I've seen the Sainsburys advert a few times, not been to Sainsburys to shop though. I have however been provoked into sparing a moments thought for how tragic the 1st World War was though. Brand is just an attention seeking wanker. could not agree more, total fucktard! Is Fucktard a word? if not it should be, and it should be used to describe Russell Brand! Merry Christmas Total talentless fucktard you mean ;D Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:08:07 GMT 1
I've seen the Sainsburys advert a few times, not been to Sainsburys to shop though. I have however been provoked into sparing a moments thought for how tragic the 1st World War was though. Brand is just an attention seeking wanker. Maybe you dont understand the angle hes coming from? Maybe your a wanker.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:24:59 GMT 1
I've seen the Sainsburys advert a few times, not been to Sainsburys to shop though. I have however been provoked into sparing a moments thought for how tragic the 1st World War was though. Brand is just an attention seeking wanker. Maybe you dont understand the angle hes coming from? Maybe your a wanker. Welcome to the forum Russell.
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Post by conman on Dec 19, 2014 11:40:18 GMT 1
I wonder if everyone at downatthemac could forget their differences and hatred for each other this Christmas and have a jolly old game of football together?... £10 on bilo the bantem being stretchered off in the first five minutes if so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:57:24 GMT 1
I wonder if everyone at downatthemac could forget their differences and hatred for each other this Christmas and have a jolly old game of football together?... £10 on bilo the bantem being stretchered off in the first five minutes if so. Merry christmas, old bean
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 19, 2014 12:00:24 GMT 1
A business trying to make money, whatever next. That's advertising, I've no problem with it; I'm a capitalist. I do however find the subject matter a bit crass for flogging bog rolls. The advert is a cynical attempt to manipulate your emotions so that you'll buy more tat. It's a bit seedy. Bit of a dramatic response to an advert imo. Why can't it just be that - an advert portraying a historical moment at Christmas time. But no, in this day and age it's got to have a harsher agenda..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 12:06:26 GMT 1
That's advertising, I've no problem with it; I'm a capitalist. I do however find the subject matter a bit crass for flogging bog rolls. The advert is a cynical attempt to manipulate your emotions so that you'll buy more tat. It's a bit seedy. Bit of a dramatic response to an advert imo. Why can't it just be that - an advert portraying a historical moment at Christmas time. But no, in this day and age it's got to have a harsher agenda.. I can understand your point of view. Personally, I just think some topics are too awful to be made into a saccharine sales pitch for a multibillion plc. What next? The SS guard cheekily giving the emaciated Jewish girl a Christmas present behind the back of Himmler hehehe
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Post by Manx Terrier on Dec 19, 2014 12:08:03 GMT 1
I've seen the Sainsburys advert a few times, not been to Sainsburys to shop though. I have however been provoked into sparing a moments thought for how tragic the 1st World War was though. Brand is just an attention seeking wanker. I'm afraid it says a lot about us the public that he ever became a celebrity. He should never be given any airtime or attention in the future. for example:- " The comedian posted on Twitter a link to a YouTube video in which he speaks to former Guantanamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg. Alongside the link he tweeted: "The people who do 'terror' best are the people who decide what 'terror' is." But others on the microblogging website reacted angrily to the self-styled revolutionary, who uses the handle @rustyrockets. They highlighted how his tweet coincided with news that 120 people, mainly children, had been killed in a Taliban assault on a military school in Peshawar. Nate Anderson wrote: 'Bad timing given what's just happened in Pakistan dude. Bad bad timing'. Colin Wright, a professor of International Relations, added: '@rustyrockets you do talk some crap at times. Not all the time but I'm seeing more and more of it. You tweet this while Pakistan unfolds. " Read more at www.liveleak.com/view?i=18b_1418771410#4CERLtivUDArSMmz.99
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Post by Torquayterrier on Dec 19, 2014 12:17:21 GMT 1
I was under the impression that the allies v germany football match was a bit of a myth anyway. Hostilities stopped yes and there was a meeting with some handshakes etc (much against the wishes of the higher ranks on both sides)but the actual football was only between allied forces and behind the lines. There was a plan to do an allies v germans match but it was vetoed by high command. Or at least that's what I heard, could be wrong.
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Post by conman on Dec 19, 2014 12:35:06 GMT 1
I was under the impression that the allies v germany football match was a bit of a myth anyway. Hostilities stopped yes and there was a meeting with some handshakes etc (much against the wishes of the higher ranks on both sides)but the actual football was only between allied forces and behind the lines. There was a plan to do an allies v germans match but it was vetoed by high command. Or at least that's what I heard, could be wrong. Was it behind the lines tho, or as the Germans said at the time "on the lines", therefore it shouldn't have stood..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 12:37:18 GMT 1
I was under the impression that the allies v germany football match was a bit of a myth anyway. Hostilities stopped yes and there was a meeting with some handshakes etc (much against the wishes of the higher ranks on both sides)but the actual football was only between allied forces and behind the lines. There was a plan to do an allies v germans match but it was vetoed by high command. Or at least that's what I heard, could be wrong. Yes, there were some small ceasefires - as much to collect the dead as anything - and some singing. The High Command on both sides went mental - moving entire battalions to different positions and threatening court martials for NCOs permitting it. It doesn't do to humanise your enemy.
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Post by AndySk on Dec 19, 2014 12:38:15 GMT 1
I take it we lost on penalties?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 12:44:36 GMT 1
Just watched this. Who is more crass, Brand or Sainsburys.
Stick em both in the same boat.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 19, 2014 13:42:31 GMT 1
The best ever presenter of big brothers little brother is spot on on this matter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 14:09:45 GMT 1
The best ever presenter of big brothers little brother is spot on on this matter That's akin to being the best looking man on the burns unit
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Post by philincalifornia on Dec 19, 2014 15:24:28 GMT 1
There's a difference between art and advertising. You can argue about whether McCartney's real aim was just to make money, but that was definitely the intention of Sainsburys. A business trying to make money, whatever next. Rich comedian getting richer by ridiculing company that he's stolen his material from in order to get richer, maybe ? Good business model. (Someone tap him on the shoulder and let him know that national service ended in 1963).
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 19, 2014 15:43:48 GMT 1
It's a advertisement! Nobody is pretending it is anything else - Get over yourself Brand! - so a marketing team has come up with an idea. Just like John Lewis try to tug at many a female heartstring with their kid that can't wait to give his parents a present, or a snowman venturing to get a and gloves for his snowman wife, to a bear that has never seen christmas to this year's young lad wanting a partner for his cuddly penguin. So Sainburys have used an historical event, one of the most heartwarming stories to come from the terrible war and for me then any reminder of that story can't be bad especially to those too young for McCartney's pipes of peace...more kudos to them. Since moving abroad I wax lyrical about the quality of British TV advertising (which says everything about its audience contrary to Otium's belief) to my foreign friends whilst been subjected to crap like this on Canadian TV
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 19, 2014 16:48:29 GMT 1
There are people from all walks of life and all backgrounds worth listening to, Brand isn't one of them. As for the advert, The British Legion sanctioned it and I am aware they canvass a range of the membership re these things, then im not sure Brand and others who have never served anyone other than themselves have an opinion worth a shit.
I have fallen out with this country, regularly quite recently but haven't joined the haters brigade we seem to be producing. The finest, fairest country in the world is still where we live(just)... I find the constant beating ourselves up over everything and anything is getting very 'boring'...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 7:49:36 GMT 1
I'm sat in a hotel room in Arras this morning, there's a WW1 memorial nearby.
I might pay it a visit and see if there's a "sponsored by Sainsburys" sign on the entrance.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Dec 20, 2014 8:47:43 GMT 1
I've seen the advertisement a few times and I have no problem with it. It made me think how lucky I am to have never had to face the horror of a senseless war like that one. It made me think of those lads on both sides who gave their life for their country.
It was made with the blessing of the RBL. Sure it's an advertisement made with the intention of making money, but exploitation? I just don't see it that way.
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