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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 20:43:42 GMT 1
Look on the bright side. We are still in the Championship.
I still think we will finish mid table.
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Post by John Smith on Dec 20, 2014 21:03:59 GMT 1
I'M USING CAPS LOCK WHICH GIVES MY WORDS AN AGGRESSIVE, SHOUTY FLAVOUR TO THEM. SO YEAH, TAKE THAT. GRRRR.
We were garbage today. Pretty much to a man. Even the usually reliable Butterfield and Scannell couldn't work their magic, and as for the lump up front, the sooner he's gone the better. Had a great initial impact, but lets be honest he's bang average isn't he?
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 20, 2014 21:06:26 GMT 1
Gotta love Town 'supporters'. Yes last week and today were crap so we get over it and move on.
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Post by northnottsblue on Dec 20, 2014 21:06:37 GMT 1
Based on that performance today,we are relegation certainties.Boring negative football,no ambition.It's just not worth turning out to watch that crap.
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Post by Solid Snake on Dec 20, 2014 21:41:55 GMT 1
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Post by Mirfielder on Dec 20, 2014 21:54:37 GMT 1
Some of you Town fans must be the most fickle fuckers on this planet. I didn't hear any of you lot calling for Powell's head when he guided us to wins over third placed Brentford a couple of weeks back, or when we spanked Forest 3-0 at home, or when he took us to second placed Ipswich and secured a 2-2 draw. Eighth placed Blackburn also failed to beat us on their own patch, whilst ninth placed Wolves were hammered 3-1 at Molineux.
So stop moaning and get behind Powell and the team for a change, instead of calling for his head after every set back.
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Post by HAXBY TERRIER on Dec 20, 2014 22:01:00 GMT 1
Blue and white runs through my blood supported town 35 years so im not a doom and gloom merchant, but have we been blind to how hoyle really is? when he came he was our saviour and there is no doubt hes done many good things for this club, but as he got a side to him we fans dont see? when you look back despite having a big budget for league 1 we struggled to get promoted and in the end we won a mammoth penalty shoot out that we could quite easily have lost, and every season in the championship we have had a decent run but ultimatly we have struggled to stay up, why dont the players perform? why do managers struggle? is there a bad feeling around the club behind the scenes? i could be wrong but its a mystery why we are struggling so much, i know we are playing a lot of clubs with bigger budgets and some class players but its the way we lose its like we have no passion or fight and that the players cant be arsed? why is that?
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Post by shawsie on Dec 20, 2014 22:04:02 GMT 1
Some of you Town fans must be the most fickle fuckers on this planet. I didn't hear any of you lot calling for Powell's head when he guided us to wins over third placed Brentford a couple of weeks back, or when we spanked Forest 3-0 at home, or when he took us to second placed Ipswich and secured a 2-2 draw. Eighth placed Blackburn also failed to beat us on their own patch, whilst ninth placed Wolves were hammered 3-1 at Molineux. So stop moaning and get behind Powell and the team for a change, instead of calling for his head after every set back. Normally I would concur but today worried me a lot. We had no drive, energy, nothing! That's three games at home - Wigan, wed and brum where we have taken 2 pts because we've been negative and dull. Why, why, why when we have spanked in form brentford and high spending forest at home also?! At the moment our only creativity comes from scans or bunn running at players - the rest is so dull it's sending us all to sleep. Teams have worked us out......isolate the front man, stop the supply to our wide men and we will get frustrated and gift games with shit errors.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 20, 2014 22:17:55 GMT 1
Some of you Town fans must be the most fickle fuckers on this planet. I didn't hear any of you lot calling for Powell's head when he guided us to wins over third placed Brentford a couple of weeks back, or when we spanked Forest 3-0 at home, or when he took us to second placed Ipswich and secured a 2-2 draw. Eighth placed Blackburn also failed to beat us on their own patch, whilst ninth placed Wolves were hammered 3-1 at Molineux. So stop moaning and get behind Powell and the team for a change, instead of calling for his head after every set back. Top post
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Post by mickydombat on Dec 20, 2014 22:20:45 GMT 1
I wouldn't really or normally agree with sacking a manager so early, but his choices in the last 2 games have been suicidal.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 20, 2014 22:22:22 GMT 1
I wouldn't really or normally agree with sacking a manager so early, but his choices in the last 2 games have been suicidal. So do you or don't you?
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Post by Mr Breitside on Dec 20, 2014 22:37:34 GMT 1
The Caps lock and exclamation marks really can emphasise a point... Hard to read when it feels like you are shouting though.
Against Wednesday, wolves and Brentford we played some good fast flowing attacking football. In games we have lost we have done the same (Fulham, Derby) but just not taken our chances, I think Powell just over reacted to last week's result today.
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Post by Stewpot on Dec 20, 2014 22:44:12 GMT 1
Some of you Town fans must be the most fickle fuckers on this planet. I didn't hear any of you lot calling for Powell's head when he guided us to wins over third placed Brentford a couple of weeks back, or when we spanked Forest 3-0 at home, or when he took us to second placed Ipswich and secured a 2-2 draw. Eighth placed Blackburn also failed to beat us on their own patch, whilst ninth placed Wolves were hammered 3-1 at Molineux. So stop moaning and get behind Powell and the team for a change, instead of calling for his head after every set back. Top post Delusional ! What the fuck have those results got to do with where we are now, 7/8 games further down the road. Yes, I don´t know why suddenly we have become so shite one game excepted ( Brentford ), but we have. When we get relegated, on this form not if but when, are you still going to say " Ah but we were quite good in September and October, and had some cracking results ". Too many around the club are accepting mediocrity or worse, and if we all choose to go along with it instead of accepting the blatant reality, then this will be our last Championship campaign for a while. I am not calling for his head, but it needs sorting out, and quick.
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Post by John Smith on Dec 20, 2014 23:10:32 GMT 1
The Caps lock and exclamation marks really can emphasise a point... Hard to read when it feels like you are shouting though. Against Wednesday, wolves and Brentford we played some good fast flowing attacking football. In games we have lost we have done the same (Fulham, Derby) but just not taken our chances, I think Powell just over reacted to last week's result today. SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I agree on CP, in all seriousness. Think he went over cautious today off the back of last week. But calls for his head are tragically pathetic. But so DATM.
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Post by Mirfielder on Dec 20, 2014 23:24:01 GMT 1
"What the fuck have those results got to do with where we are now" - Every frigging thing - Because without those results we would be propping up the table with only 13 points, plus they show that we are capable of performing much better than we did today, when Powell and his players all under performed.
However come next May, you and all the other "Panickers and Knockers" will be eating Humble Pie, after we cement our Championship credentials for yet another season.
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Post by trailingleg on Dec 21, 2014 5:21:54 GMT 1
SO LETS GET HOYLE OUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE START WITH A GOOD NOT AVERAGE GOALIE SOME OTHER BUYER OF THE CLUB! BYE BYE WILSON !!! @cliburn !!! JUST THINK OF THE PLAYERS WE ALMOST BOUGHT! WE COULD HAVE BEEN OK !! SEND WILSONS NORWAY SIGNINGS BACK TO NORWAY @ SCOTLAND!! SACK CLIBURN!! the COMPLETE SCOUTING TEAM !!!(SORRY LADS BUT IT AS BEEN A SHITTY 65TH BIRTHDAY @ CHRISTMAS GET RID OF THE ACCADOMY BUY A GOALIE LEE CAMP ? ETC THEN WITH THE MONEY SAVED BUILD A TEAM WITH OTHER TEAMS FAILURES !! WE DONT PRODUCE ANY PLAYERS ABOVE AVERAGE SMITHIES ETC!! Well argued!
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Post by Chicken George on Dec 21, 2014 8:55:21 GMT 1
Whilst today was incredibly poor - Calling for the managers head everytime we have a few bad results is just nonsense.
For those calling for Deano out, tell me who could replace him them? Its ok you gobbing off about him when you know nothing about how hard it us running a football club in the championship with the budgets we have.
We are loosing money hand over foot at the moment, mainly due to not enough people attending, even when we are playing well, crowds are quite low so its always going to be a struggle.
That said, CP didnt help himself this last couple of weeks and does need to take a long hard look at what he has done but sacking? absolutely not. More upheaval is the last thing we need.
Successful teams have everyone pulling in the same direction - that never happens hear because as soon as have a few bad results, you get people on here/twitter gobbing off in capital letters thinking they know it all
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 9:09:54 GMT 1
poor dean. has to watch that shite then probably came on here to see the fans reaction and.....
I don't want powell sacked. far from it. and dean if you are reading this..... stay on and finish the job you started.
it was a shit performance. possibly the worst under powells charge at home. the players have a lot to answer for after that dross. us fans may be fickle, but as KOR said on radio leeds, we are fair. we will support the players if they give their all and yesterday they didn't. to criticise fans who come on to a public forum and rant about how utterly dire we were is a bit rich me thinks.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 21, 2014 9:18:24 GMT 1
Whilst today was incredibly poor - Calling for the managers head everytime we have a few bad results is just nonsense. For those calling for Deano out, tell me who could replace him them? Its ok you gobbing off about him when you know nothing about how hard it us running a football club in the championship with the budgets we have. We are loosing money hand over foot at the moment, mainly due to not enough people attending, even when we are playing well, crowds are quite low so its always going to be a struggle. That said, CP didnt help himself this last couple of weeks and does need to take a long hard look at what he has done but sacking? absolutely not. More upheaval is the last thing we need. Successful teams have everyone pulling in the same direction - that never happens hear because as soon as have a few bad results, you get people on here/twitter gobbing off in capital letters thinking they know it all It's the same everywhere though.......social media allows the dim and feckless to shout everybody out after a bad performance. The worrying thing for me right now is that there is an apathy in the town....supporters expect mediocrity, the board at times appear happy to tell us we should be thankful we are where we are and the players just produce a load of media tripe about bouncebackability, get a reaction etc etc. it's all so boringly predictable. Add to that a manager whose post match reactions confirm what everyone who went was saying afterwards - "happy with a point"! From top to bottom this club needs to have a good long think about the way it operates.........supporters will forgive a lot here, and have done for decades, but they won't allow players and managers on hundreds of thousands a year salaries to get away with a lack of desire and drive, particularly at home against average teams. Don't window dress it as a bad day at the office.......they happen too often for that. Use some resolve...........dig a few out, and if that means shipping players out and bringing in young hungry kids then go for it. "Fortune favours the brave" according to cp yesterday................ 1 win in 7 tells us fortune ain't favouring us right now!!! inject some life back in the place....be positive....forget trying to defend with this group, they can't do it at this level, so if you are going to be defensive then get the right players in to make it work!
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Post by Chicken George on Dec 21, 2014 9:20:50 GMT 1
I think it the manner the criticism that people take offence to. We were rubbish, make no bones about it, but its when the HOYLE OUT, POWELL OUT posts start flying about with no other substance to them, people tend to get a tad p****d off
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 9:32:03 GMT 1
The biggest disappointment for me yesterday wasn't as much how he set us up (if the tempo had been higher and the chosen personnel had performed, it might have worked) but his refusal to change it on the hour mark when it was obvious they were building up a head of steam. I said to my mate 'he'll not change this until we go behind'. To add further mystery, he then doesn't change it for nearly ten minutes AFTER we've gone behind. Vaughan and Wells were in conversation in front of me on the touchline and were completely baffled as to Powell's inactivity. He changed it at Norwich when we didn't need to and he didn't change it yesterday when we did. I'm totally behind the man (talk of sacking him is beyond ridiculous), but he does need to go back to the coaching manuals and have a ponder on how and when he uses his substitutes!
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Post by Chicken George on Dec 21, 2014 10:12:44 GMT 1
The biggest disappointment for me yesterday wasn't as much how he set us up (if the tempo had been higher and the chosen personnel had performed, it might have worked) but his refusal to change it on the hour mark when it was obvious they were building up a head of steam. I said to my mate 'he'll not change this until we go behind'. To add further mystery, he then doesn't change it for nearly ten minutes AFTER we've gone behind. Vaughan and Wells were in conversation in front of me on the touchline and were completely baffled as to Powell's inactivity. He changed it at Norwich when we didn't need to and he didn't change it yesterday when we did. I'm totally behind the man (talk of sacking him is beyond ridiculous), but he does need to go back to the coaching manuals and have a ponder on how and when he uses his substitutes! Good points, well made 100% agree
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Post by Blueblood on Dec 21, 2014 10:13:19 GMT 1
Different season same old shit.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 21, 2014 10:17:52 GMT 1
Don't think anyone with an ounce of sanity can justifiable call for Powell to be sacked. Thought he had turned the corner with that 7 game unbeaten run but ever since our last good performance doan at Fulham, we've been crap, momentum has been lost and Powell is constantly tinkering adopting negative tactics. He needs to get a win, get us back to playing like we were and get another run going.
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Post by captainblack on Dec 21, 2014 11:02:50 GMT 1
Calling for Powell to be sacked already is frankly ridiculous although yesterdays result was admittedly very frustrating. Birmingham City were there for the taking yesterday which I think annoyed Town fans more than anything.
Powell has the transfer window looming shortly and has said there will be some activity in January. I think he knows are weaknesses now and hopefully will rectify some of our shortcomings.
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Post by deo1 on Dec 21, 2014 11:31:41 GMT 1
I'm not wanting Powell sacked but from the games I've seen this season I've not been impressed with the style of football or performances. We seemed to lack a fighting spirit and when we did start to put some tasty and strong challenges in they only lasted mere seconds.
Town fans and football fans in general want to be entertained and see players putting in 100% and playing with passion and pride in the blue and white stripes and from what I've seen so far its not happening on a regular basis from the majority of players. Looking at the team selection yesterday you could see from the offset that we'd lose or at best scrape a 0-0. At home we should be taking the game to the opposition as if we can't do it then, then when can we do it. Something's got to change ASAP or we could be in for a long winter!!!
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Post by ACW on Dec 21, 2014 11:41:13 GMT 1
I'm not wanting Powell sacked but from the games I've seen this season I've not been impressed with the style of football or performances. We seemed to lack a fighting spirit and when we did start to put some tasty and strong challenges in they only lasted mere seconds. Town fans and football fans in general want to be entertained and see players putting in 100% and playing with passion and pride in the blue and white stripes and from what I've seen so far its not happening on a regular basis from the majority of players. Looking at the team selection yesterday you could see from the offset that we'd lose or at best scrape a 0-0. At home we should be taking the game to the opposition as if we can't do it then, then when can we do it. Something's got to change ASAP or we could be in for a long winter!!! I'm not even considering Powell being sacked - its a ridiculous idea at this stage - but I am concerned that his default setting is to be defensive. He has got us playing some decent attacking football at times, but it is obvious whenever the chips are down he reverts to type. This is fine in some games, particularly away from home, but at home we need to be more attacking. We all know our away performances are generally poor and we will have to rely on strong home form to stay up. Unfortunately trying to scrape 1-0s at home will not get us enough points to do this. It didn't when Macari was in charge, and it won't this season. Its not like we're very good at defending anyway. We all accept we can't keep the opposition out so why not give them something to worry about at the other end? You can argue that without Smithies mistake we would have got a point, but a) we need more than single points at home when playing other teams in the bottom half, and b) when we play this way we always seem to come up with some stupid defensive mistake that gifts the opposition a goal. Until we can improve the defensive side of our game there is no point playing for 0-0s and 1-0s - we simply aren't able to do it. Going for it a bit more might mean we lose a few, but we will almost certainly win more as well. Lets fight for our Championship survival with a bit more guts and conviction, rather than trying to scrape results here and there and trusting too much to luck.
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Post by detox on Dec 21, 2014 12:16:02 GMT 1
After shipping 5 last week you can understand CP being a bit nervous about the brum game, they'd scored 6 last week and another thumping for town would have been a disaster...maybe deano had had a word with CP...no more thumpings CP..? So basically he set us up to be tight all game, a clean sheet was worth more than a dour 0-0 draw obviously... forget entertainmnet, forget being bold., forget the fans,...just protect the players fickle confidence by avoiding another thumping....even a 0-1 result was better than last week, and what is it managers say ? "something to build on"?
I'm worrying now about CP's 'bottle' , and that for the rest of the season we're going to revert to negative defence minded football in a bid to stay up....stay up "at all costs", isn't that the message from Dean.. Can expect 4-5-1 from now on in, and dour mind numbingly boring shite right through to next May. Staying up, each year is ok if you have a plan to invest and compete, but just staying up so you can do the same the following season...well thats what barnsley did, spent there entire years in this league scratting around at the bottom,and we know what happened to them in the end.
If we're not going to compete, what's the point of being in this league ? certainly looking at the gates, it's not attracting any new fans is it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 14:27:34 GMT 1
OMG this thread is nuts, I wouldn't have even said something as stupid as sack CP and trust me i am more stupid than most on here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 14:30:30 GMT 1
Keep Powell. Mistakes happen, but just the once please.
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