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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 9:49:09 GMT 1
Your not telling me say these 3 clubs/teams have far better squads than Town ? We seem to be going backwards again. Hope CP has the know how to sort it and fast. Big changes now needed in transfer window and from some of his comments we will be doing. That was a shocking perfomance. Imo this is a fair response, some posters take your head out of the sands of time.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 21, 2014 10:11:58 GMT 1
Brentford and Bournemouth probably not, thing with them two us they have found a group of players playing for each consistently coupled with a game plan and playing good football along with managers who know the game and how it needs to be played.
As for Ipswich, they seem to have a certain style of play that is successful, I don't think much of their style, their football is like their managers personality dour as fuck and lifeless!! Every goal they score is a goal mouth scramble from a set play.
Problem at Town is, mediocrity, excuses and total lack of desire for success has become so ingrained with in the club that shit like yesterday is taken with a shrug of the shoulders and a line of excuses just trotted out. Its always been the same, no matter who the manager is, no which players play for us, things will never change unless they shake off this mentality.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 10:19:09 GMT 1
Another way of looking at it is to compare us with Bristol City, Sheff Utd PNE Bradford Coventry Barnsley Plymouth and Portsmouth ... Not sure Art where you get "a total lack of desire for success " from... maybe you can explain this ? Seeing as you are writing it as if its a fact ?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 21, 2014 10:24:26 GMT 1
Another way of looking at it is to compare us with Bristol City, Sheff Utd PNE Bradford Coventry Barnsley Plymouth and Portsmouth ... Not sure Art where you get "a total lack of desire for success " from... maybe you can explain this ? Seeing as you are writing it as if its a fact ? Its been over 40 years since our last top flight appearance, 30 since our last automatic promotion, if that doesn't say 'lack of desire for success' I don't know what does!!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 10:28:02 GMT 1
Another way of looking at it is to compare us with Bristol City, Sheff Utd PNE Bradford Coventry Barnsley Plymouth and Portsmouth ... Not sure Art where you get "a total lack of desire for success " from... maybe you can explain this ? Seeing as you are writing it as if its a fact ? Its been over 40 years since our last top flight appearance, 30 since our last automatic promotion, if that doesn't say 'lack of desire for success' I don't know what does!! No chairman in towns history had had more ambition than Dean Hoyle .. What more exactly do you want him to do ?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 21, 2014 10:36:47 GMT 1
Its been over 40 years since our last top flight appearance, 30 since our last automatic promotion, if that doesn't say 'lack of desire for success' I don't know what does!! No chairman in towns history had had more ambition than Dean Hoyle .. What more exactly do you want him to do ? Not saying he hasn't got any ambition but talk is cheap, we can all claim ambition but if it can't be backed up with tangible results on the pitch then it means nothing. Personally, I think it might be better if he tried to move the club on to someone else. He's said he's not prepared to foot the bill for large losses, no one wants mass spending but a little more spending might just move us toward being a play off team, as opposed to this shite we get served up week on week. What makes me laugh is the club have the temerity to complain about low crowds, get a grip, people will not pay 27 notes to watch that shit on a regular basis. Its upto the club to draw in the crowds by making the football watchable, exciting and to loom like we want it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 10:43:17 GMT 1
We are managing to a budget, I think everyone accepts that. We understand the club is prudently managed off the field. I think the negative approach on the field yesterday is the main cause of a of negativity. One up front and a using a striker that returns to his parent club in a couple of weeks makes most people a bit fearful of what's to come in 2015. I know CP thinks that keeping a tight set up at the back and conceding only a few goals will keep us safe. We may accept that away from home but not at the JSS to a poor team like BC even if they were on the back of one good result..
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 10:47:56 GMT 1
No chairman in towns history had had more ambition than Dean Hoyle .. What more exactly do you want him to do ? Not saying he hasn't got any ambition but talk is cheap, we can all claim ambition but if it can't be backed up with tangible results on the pitch then it means nothing. Personally, I think it might be better if he tried to move the club on to someone else. He's said he's not prepared to foot the bill for large losses, no one wants mass spending but a little more spending might just move us toward being a play off team, as opposed to this shite we get served up week on week. What makes me laugh is the club have the temerity to complain about low crowds, get a grip, people will not pay 27 notes to watch that shit on a regular basis. Its upto the club to draw in the crowds by making the football watchable, exciting and to loom like we want it. Yes Art talk is cheap. That's why Dean has put his money where his mouth is... To move our small club approx 20 places up the football ladder and then put more in to try and establish us as a championship club on gates of 12k... That shit yesterday had nothing to do with the clubs ambition... It was players putting in bad performances...how anyone can criticise investment and ambition is beyond me ... Have you ever heard of FFP Art ? As for " it would be better if he tried to move the club on to someone else" ... We've been here before Art... How many months ago was it that I told you he was actively trying to do that ? Do you have dementia ? Or do you choose not to listen ? Maybe just maybe the world famous Huddersfield Town aren't as much of a pull for a foreign billionaire as you think they should be
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Dec 21, 2014 10:49:37 GMT 1
Ipswich have a good manager (for your league) who has been there a couple of years and put together a decent team. I doubt they'll finish top two but playoffs probably.
You can't really say you have a better team than the other two. All Brentford's signings in pre season were good buys and now proving to be. They signed the best young players from L1/L2 who will probably end up playing in the Prem - can't really say that about Scannell, Bunn and Hogg. Pritchard, Odubajo and Gray would all get in the Town team.
Bournemouth are even better, admittedly spending more money but your team isn't as good as theirs. Ritchie is class, Wilson unfortunately better than Wells with other players at a good age who've been there a while.
I really don't get why you don't just spend a bit of money like you did on Wells on a few players and actually give it a go. FFP is no excuse. You won't challenge for promotion with players like Peltier, Lynch, Ward etc.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 10:52:30 GMT 1
Ipswich have a good manager (for your league) who has been there a couple of years and put together a decent team. I doubt they'll finish top two but playoffs probably. You can't really say you have a better team than the other two. All Brentford's signings in pre season were good buys and now proving to be. They signed the best young players from L1/L2 who will probably end up playing in the Prem - can't really say that about Scannell, Bunn and Hogg. Pritchard, Odubajo and Gray would all get in the Town team. Bournemouth are even better, admittedly spending more money but your team isn't as good as theirs. Ritchie is class, Wilson unfortunately better than Wells with other players at a good age who've been there a while. I really don't get why you don't just spend a bit of money like you did on Wells on a few players and actually give it a go. FFP is no excuse. You won't challenge for promotion with players like Peltier, Lynch, Ward etc. Stick to talking about Your specialist topic Bilo
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Dec 21, 2014 10:57:34 GMT 1
Ipswich have a good manager (for your league) who has been there a couple of years and put together a decent team. I doubt they'll finish top two but playoffs probably. You can't really say you have a better team than the other two. All Brentford's signings in pre season were good buys and now proving to be. They signed the best young players from L1/L2 who will probably end up playing in the Prem - can't really say that about Scannell, Bunn and Hogg. Pritchard, Odubajo and Gray would all get in the Town team. Bournemouth are even better, admittedly spending more money but your team isn't as good as theirs. Ritchie is class, Wilson unfortunately better than Wells with other players at a good age who've been there a while. I really don't get why you don't just spend a bit of money like you did on Wells on a few players and actually give it a go. FFP is no excuse. You won't challenge for promotion with players like Peltier, Lynch, Ward etc. Stick to talking about Your specialist topic Bilo Which is?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 10:59:00 GMT 1
Stick to talking about Your specialist topic Bilo Which is? Actually that's a good question
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 21, 2014 11:20:38 GMT 1
Ipswich have a good manager (for your league) who has been there a couple of years and put together a decent team. I doubt they'll finish top two but playoffs probably. You can't really say you have a better team than the other two. All Brentford's signings in pre season were good buys and now proving to be. They signed the best young players from L1/L2 who will probably end up playing in the Prem - can't really say that about Scannell, Bunn and Hogg. Pritchard, Odubajo and Gray would all get in the Town team. Bournemouth are even better, admittedly spending more money but your team isn't as good as theirs. Ritchie is class, Wilson unfortunately better than Wells with other players at a good age who've been there a while. I really don't get why you don't just spend a bit of money like you did on Wells on a few players and actually give it a go. FFP is no excuse. You won't challenge for promotion with players like Peltier, Lynch, Ward etc. Stick to talking about Your specialist topic Bilo Yeah, but he is right Ted.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 21, 2014 11:28:45 GMT 1
Do the club 'complain' about low crowds or just state we have low crowds, when explaining it makes it harder (but not impossible!) to compete? I'd suggest the latter; I don't recall once thinking it came across the way you suggest, but then again I don't go around trying to be a 'victim'- a British disease. It has been poor for some time, so it's understandable many are peeved, I just can't see why people think it's worse than years gone by......other than reading it over and over and over again on the internet. Actually, I blame you, you're the only comprehensible persistent negative poster
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Post by rocky on Dec 21, 2014 11:33:41 GMT 1
Your not telling me say these 3 clubs/teams have far better squads than Town ?
We seem to be going backwards again. Hope CP has the know how to sort it and fast. Big changes now needed in transfer window and from some of his comments we will be doing. That was a shocking perfomance. Imo this is a fair response, some posters take your head out of the sands of time. So, you're suggesting that the top 3 teams in the division haven't got better squads than 20th placed Town??? It's no surprise you get the stick that you do when you come out with nonsense like that. And what on earth makes you think anyone has their heads in the sand when we've taken 4 points from the last 7 games & there's only 1 team between us & the bottom 3? You're right about one thing though, it was a shocking performance. I can take losing to a better team on the day, but Birmingham were simply dreadful, offered no attacking threat & were only ever going to score from a set piece.
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Post by y2troy on Dec 21, 2014 11:40:23 GMT 1
The afore mentioned teams also have been together a long time and even though with minor managerial changes the players and infrastructure always been the same and can only applaud them for that and unfortunately with town ,we have been hire and fire management over last 5 year period which doesnt give stability within a club
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Post by rocky on Dec 21, 2014 11:45:21 GMT 1
Brentford and Bournemouth probably not, thing with them two us they have found a group of players playing for each consistently coupled with a game plan and playing good football along with managers who know the game and how it needs to be played. As for Ipswich, they seem to have a certain style of play that is successful, I don't think much of their style, their football is like their managers personality dour as fuck and lifeless!! Every goal they score is a goal mouth scramble from a set play. Problem at Town is, mediocrity, excuses and total lack of desire for success has become so ingrained with in the club that shit like yesterday is taken with a shrug of the shoulders and a line of excuses just trotted out. Its always been the same, no matter who the manager is, no which players play for us, things will never change unless they shake off this mentality. So, it's not just Robins then? As regards your general point in the last paragraph, I'm with Ted on this. The phrase 'total lack of desire for success' is just a load of words you've strung together, that bear no relevance to the situation at Town. Trust me mate, there won't be a chairman in the English game that doesn't desire success more than DH does. Your only solutions though (as ever) are to suggest that he puts even more of his own money in or sells the club to this imaginary billionaire who will propel us to the PL (or more likely), oblivion).
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Post by ColchTerrier on Dec 21, 2014 11:52:54 GMT 1
Ipswich's team yesterday that beat M'boro come to a combined total of £0.
Quite Impressive and shows how far you can go with a good manager!
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Post by ram on Dec 21, 2014 11:55:26 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle must be tearing his hair out...it doesn,t seem to matter which manager he chooses,the results remain pretty much the same...Summat wrong somewhere!..players perhaps?
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Post by shawsie on Dec 21, 2014 11:57:02 GMT 1
Brentford and Bournemouth probably not, thing with them two us they have found a group of players playing for each consistently coupled with a game plan and playing good football along with managers who know the game and how it needs to be played. As for Ipswich, they seem to have a certain style of play that is successful, I don't think much of their style, their football is like their managers personality dour as fuck and lifeless!! Every goal they score is a goal mouth scramble from a set play. Problem at Town is, mediocrity, excuses and total lack of desire for success has become so ingrained with in the club that shit like yesterday is taken with a shrug of the shoulders and a line of excuses just trotted out. Its always been the same, no matter who the manager is, no which players play for us, things will never change unless they shake off this mentality. Ipswich dour and lifeless?! Bloody hell were you at our spot last season when they ran rings around us!!!!!
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Post by rocky on Dec 21, 2014 12:33:06 GMT 1
Brentford and Bournemouth probably not, thing with them two us they have found a group of players playing for each consistently coupled with a game plan and playing good football along with managers who know the game and how it needs to be played. As for Ipswich, they seem to have a certain style of play that is successful, I don't think much of their style, their football is like their managers personality dour as fuck and lifeless!! Every goal they score is a goal mouth scramble from a set play. Problem at Town is, mediocrity, excuses and total lack of desire for success has become so ingrained with in the club that shit like yesterday is taken with a shrug of the shoulders and a line of excuses just trotted out. Its always been the same, no matter who the manager is, no which players play for us, things will never change unless they shake off this mentality.This just about sums it up for me! OK mate, let's assume you're right. Where is the evidence for that statement & what is your solution to the issue? I'm as pissed of as anyone that Town never, ever do anything, but to suggest the comment in bold (especially given the chairman we have), is just utter nonsense.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 21, 2014 12:37:15 GMT 1
This just about sums it up for me! OK mate, let's assume you're right. Where is the evidence for that statement & what is your solution to the issue? I'm as pissed of as anyone that Town never, ever do anything, but to suggest the comment in bold (especially given the chairman we have), is just utter nonsense. If you want something, its usually obtainable. Given the clubs record in the last 40 years what are people supposed to think?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 12:42:14 GMT 1
" if you want something it's usually obtainable "
What kind of candy coated world do you live in ? Before you answer that can you sort me out with a Spanish Villa and a night of passion with Cheryl Cole ?
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Post by rocky on Dec 21, 2014 12:43:24 GMT 1
OK mate, let's assume you're right. Where is the evidence for that statement & what is your solution to the issue? I'm as pissed of as anyone that Town never, ever do anything, but to suggest the comment in bold (especially given the chairman we have), is just utter nonsense. If you want something, its usually obtainable. Given the clubs record in the last 40 years what are people supposed to think? OK, same question as I asked Melc - what's the solution?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 21, 2014 12:54:16 GMT 1
Your not telling me say these 3 clubs/teams have far better squads than Town ? We seem to be going backwards again. Hope CP has the know how to sort it and fast. Big changes now needed in transfer window and from some of his comments we will be doing. That was a shocking perfomance. Imo this is a fair response, some posters take your head out of the sands of time. Give the guy a break FFS.. He hasn't even had a transfer window to start getting his own players in yet.. Long, long way to go yet!
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Post by jqhtfc on Dec 21, 2014 13:06:37 GMT 1
Brentford and Bournemouth probably not, thing with them two us they have found a group of players playing for each consistently coupled with a game plan and playing good football along with managers who know the game and how it needs to be played. As for Ipswich, they seem to have a certain style of play that is successful, I don't think much of their style, their football is like their managers personality dour as fuck and lifeless!! Every goal they score is a goal mouth scramble from a set play. Problem at Town is, mediocrity, excuses and total lack of desire for success has become so ingrained with in the club that shit like yesterday is taken with a shrug of the shoulders and a line of excuses just trotted out. Its always been the same, no matter who the manager is, no which players play for us, things will never change unless they shake off this mentality. Think that last paragraph sums up pretty well my thoughts on town at the moment, some fans are just happy to survive at this level.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 13:13:05 GMT 1
Brentford and Bournemouth probably not, thing with them two us they have found a group of players playing for each consistently coupled with a game plan and playing good football along with managers who know the game and how it needs to be played. As for Ipswich, they seem to have a certain style of play that is successful, I don't think much of their style, their football is like their managers personality dour as fuck and lifeless!! Every goal they score is a goal mouth scramble from a set play. Problem at Town is, mediocrity, excuses and total lack of desire for success has become so ingrained with in the club that shit like yesterday is taken with a shrug of the shoulders and a line of excuses just trotted out. Its always been the same, no matter who the manager is, no which players play for us, things will never change unless they shake off this mentality. Think that last paragraph sums up pretty well my thoughts on town at the moment, some fans are just happy to survive at this level. Who doesn't want to progress , who doesn't want town to compete at a higher level ? But surely a sprinkling if realism is needed ? If all you need is " ambition" I'm sure the Accrington Stanley " chairman will be in the papers tomorrow announcing their plans for champions league football.... All you have to do is want it enough and it will happen ? ..... What nonsense... . Talk is cheap and and you and Art are full of it ..
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Post by rocky on Dec 21, 2014 13:26:22 GMT 1
Brentford and Bournemouth probably not, thing with them two us they have found a group of players playing for each consistently coupled with a game plan and playing good football along with managers who know the game and how it needs to be played. As for Ipswich, they seem to have a certain style of play that is successful, I don't think much of their style, their football is like their managers personality dour as fuck and lifeless!! Every goal they score is a goal mouth scramble from a set play. Problem at Town is, mediocrity, excuses and total lack of desire for success has become so ingrained with in the club that shit like yesterday is taken with a shrug of the shoulders and a line of excuses just trotted out. Its always been the same, no matter who the manager is, no which players play for us, things will never change unless they shake off this mentality. Think that last paragraph sums up pretty well my thoughts on town at the moment, some fans are just happy to survive at this level. Another one trotting out this ludicrous phrase aimed at those who understand the reality of life in the Championship. No one is just 'happy to survive', but we can't compete financially with the bulk of the other clubs & people who hold your view conveniently forget that. Same question I asked Melc & AR - what's the solution?
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Post by impact on Dec 21, 2014 14:03:59 GMT 1
Ipswich have one of if not the best manager in the league.
I think Brentford and Bournemouth will have a bad patch at some point, probably coinciding with injuries. I think (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) they've been pretty much injury free this year and have kept a fairly settled team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 14:38:19 GMT 1
Our squad is so poor the manager looks for nil, nil at home against relegation rivals. Is he wrong, or am I misguided. I think we are better than that, but he is the guy in the know.
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