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Post by jqhtfc on Dec 21, 2014 15:46:59 GMT 1
Think that last paragraph sums up pretty well my thoughts on town at the moment, some fans are just happy to survive at this level. Another one trotting out this ludicrous phrase aimed at those who understand the reality of life in the Championship. No one is just 'happy to survive', but we can't compete financially with the bulk of the other clubs & people who hold your view conveniently forget that. Same question I asked Melc & AR - what's the solution? I haven't conveniently forgot anything, the championship is a tough league but if you were to ask me if yet again I'm happy to just stay up then the answer is no and just because I say that doesn't mean I don't understand the reality of life in this league but some towns are just happy to be here and not make a splash, can you honestly tell me you don't look at brentford and say why hasn't that been us a side that three year ago you would have said they played physical hoofball and are an average league one side now play brilliant attacking football and are making the championship look easy. As for solution maybe we just need to stick with Powell whatever happens this season and allow the bloke the time to actually build a side something we haven't be able to do before but something like brentford and Bournemouth have done.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 15:55:46 GMT 1
Our squad is so poor the manager looks for nil, nil at home against relegation rivals. Is he wrong, or am I misguided. I think we are better than that, but he is the guy in the know. Your not wrong mate. Yesterday was totally unacceptable against an average team. Be very interesting now for me wat CP does this week and at RUFC a and home to Bolton. And around all these things saying re some changes in January ??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 16:19:36 GMT 1
Why is it so hard for the OP to put the U in Bournemouth or abbreviate to Bournem'th or even Bourney. It's not spelt with an F is it. Have a bit of pride & attention to detail if you're writing a thread title please.
I'm not meaning to pick on you but your spelling is shocking. You're not your.
You can write sentences well enough so why not bother spelling/punctuating properly?
This is completely aside from the fact I disgree with any of your reactionary over the top posts. :-)
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 16:23:20 GMT 1
Why is it so hard for the OP to put the U in Bournemouth or abbreviate to Bournem'th or even Bourney. It's not spelt with an F is it. Have a bit of pride & attention to detail if you're writing as thread title please. Sorry Jose, will do
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 16:29:49 GMT 1
Iphone typo. ;-)
Sorry nick. I am singling you out a bit u fairly. That's so much better now, thank you.
Let's all give Powell a bit more time eh?
He's inherited a squad that was bottom of the league and added only one on loan who's done a decent ish job for the most part.
Powell deserves a window and a close season to shape a squad he thinks can go out consistently to win games.
I admit it didn't seem like he did believe that yesterday, which is a concern.
We should go out with a conviction to win every home game without doubt.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 16:36:14 GMT 1
Iphone typo. ;-) Sorry nick. I am singling you out a bit u fairly. That's so much better now, thank you. Let's all give Powell a bit more time eh? He's inherited a squad that was bottom of the league and added only one on loan who's done a decent ish job for the most part. Powell deserves a window and a close season to shape a squad he thinks can go out consistently to win games. I admit it didn't seem like he did believe that yesterday, which is a concern. We should go out with a conviction to win every home game without doubt. As I've alluded to Joe, 2 massive games now, the players and Powell owe us after two disgraces. Let's see where we are next Sunday after 5 pm, if it's 3 pm kick off. I think they should be aiming for 4 pts minimum, what do u reckon ?
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Post by Solid Snake on Dec 21, 2014 16:53:23 GMT 1
I think that confidence and belief plays a big part in the difference between us and the teams mentioned in the OP. Teams like that going out for every win regardless of the opponent (and getting results which further boosts confidence) whilst we pussy about playing a defensive game at home to a lower-mid championship side.
We need to retain that spark that we has during the 7 game unbeaten run. We wasn't fearing any team in the championship at that time and knew that we could take the game to the majority of teams and get something from it.
Where did this confidence go? Was chicken shit yesterday. Got to start attacking games again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 17:16:35 GMT 1
Iphone typo. ;-) Sorry nick. I am singling you out a bit u fairly. That's so much better now, thank you. Let's all give Powell a bit more time eh? He's inherited a squad that was bottom of the league and added only one on loan who's done a decent ish job for the most part. Powell deserves a window and a close season to shape a squad he thinks can go out consistently to win games. I admit it didn't seem like he did believe that yesterday, which is a concern. We should go out with a conviction to win every home game without doubt. As I've alluded to Joe, 2 massive games now, the players and Powell owe us after two disgraces. Let's see where we are next Sunday after 5 pm, if it's 3 pm kick off. I think they should be aiming for 4 pts minimum, what do u reckon ? Absolutely. Aim for 6, settle for 4. I think every game is winnable in this league. No teams can perform over 90% of their capacity every week so when we do that we can beat anyone but especially teams in & around us. Medium term we need stability and that means Powell in charge for 3 years imo, with year on year progression culminating in a play off finish ideally, alongside better football & crowds.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 21, 2014 17:51:14 GMT 1
Ipswich and Brentford are both well managed /motivated clubs, but Bournemouth are a perfect example of the cheating bastards that have broken the fair play rules.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 21, 2014 18:32:52 GMT 1
if they get premier league football, they wouldn't mind you call them any name you can think of. we will have the moral high ground although we will be looking up at them from some way below in terms of money/investment/interest etc etc etc.. I guess the ultimate rubbing of our noses in it will be our better players agents actively seeking moves to them and Brentford etc..
we can all then relax in the knowledge that we cant compete with anyone much, either on or off the pitch but that canalside is smashing and our charitable works, although long forgotten by anyone outside the town, were laudible.
back to the first division where we can 'aim' for mid table respectability in front of the silly sods who support the club by attending whatever happens. The big dreams disappear for another lifetime.
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Post by Stewpot on Dec 21, 2014 20:59:18 GMT 1
Ok, I will offer this. There wasn`t a sudden massive sea change in a clubs ambition and aspirations when : Bill Shankly came to Liverpool. Brian Clough came to Nottingham Forest. Alex Ferguson came to Manchester United. Dare I say it, Don Revie came to Leeds United.
All of the above clubs were in the midst of going nowhere, until a manager comes along who can spark life and a complete revolution in the way a club operates, and raises standards to a level which at the time players, fans, the whole club staff would only dream of. Trouble is, those types of manager only come along very infrequently, and whatever the ambition of the board and the club, nothing too much much will change unless the manager, as opposed to the clubs heirachy, arrives and shakes the place up from it`s foundations. Was it the board at Manchester United who sparked the complete turn-around in training methods, discipline, the absolute will to win - changing the squad yes he did, but also changing the fundamental philosophy of how the whole club would now work - like him or not, and I`m not the biggest fan, but it was Ferguson.
I hear a lot these days about " how we set up all wrong " - bollocks - Brian Clough could have played any formation drawn out of a hat just before kick-off, and you just felt they would beat whoever was put in front of them, because of the manager, the belief he instilled in the players, the standards he set.
The thing is though, too many managers are now on the managerial merry-go-round, people who have been average at best can now be sacked at one club, and then walk into another position almost immediately. And you then think, if they weren´t successful before, what makes it highly probable they will be a lot better the next time round ?
An exceptional manager is usually much more the catalyst to propel a club forward than merely the ambition of the board of directors, unless money is no object, which is not the case I accept with ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 21:06:28 GMT 1
Your not telling me say these 3 clubs/teams have far better squads than Town ? We seem to be going backwards again. Hope CP has the know how to sort it and fast. Big changes now needed in transfer window and from some of his comments we will be doing. That was a shocking perfomance. Imo this is a fair response, some posters take your head out of the sands of time. There is not one player in towns squad that would fetch 2 million. there are in at least two of the three named.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 22, 2014 10:51:07 GMT 1
Didn't Bournemouth spend around £5.5 million on Wilson and Rantie and yet are you suggesting that they don't have a better squad than us Nick?
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Post by jqhtfc on Dec 22, 2014 11:02:04 GMT 1
Bournemouth are a strange one they have spent very well like as you say Wilson brought in to replace grabban but a good amount of the squad have been their a few years and has allowed Howe to build a settled side that has gelled and is playing some very good football something we haven't been able to do as a club due to the high turn over of staff and players. on paper I'm not sure their side is as good as ours but football isn't played on paper.
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Post by Amigo on Dec 22, 2014 12:15:09 GMT 1
Bournemouth have a very underrated group of players and an expensive one at that, it shouldn't be a surprise they're doing so well of course they have a better squad than us. They have a striker which cost double our record ever fee that doesn't get a start. Wilson, Gosling, Stanislas, Boruc and Surman were very good signings in the summer.
We've beaten Brentford and should've beaten Ipswich this season, we're not miles off being a good side. I think we just need to be a bit braver as a team and have the confidence to take sides on.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Dec 22, 2014 12:46:19 GMT 1
No town fans is happy surviving at this level, but most are realistic to appreciate this is about our level at the moment. This along with not the most entertaining football in the world is why the gates will never be great, Huddersfield Town football club needs a big lift in the next few years as fans are getting bored. Football is not a cheap hobby now, but if town are more successful the crowds will start to come SIMPLES.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 13:57:54 GMT 1
No town fans is happy surviving at this level, but most are realistic to appreciate this is about our level at the moment. This along with not the most entertaining football in the world is why the gates will never be great, Huddersfield Town football club needs a big lift in the next few years as fans are getting bored. Football is not a cheap hobby now, but if town are more successful the crowds will start to come SIMPLES. You are spot on with your assesment of our level at the moment.And yes its not cheap to watch but as for increased gates they may rise slightly but not enough for us to make a lot of difference to the overall pitchure. We are a small fish in a big pond and to stay up is a marker but we could be better than bottom six but its hard.
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Post by lu7red on Dec 24, 2014 14:46:10 GMT 1
Ipswich and Brentford are both well managed /motivated clubs, but Bournemouth are a perfect example of the cheating bastards that have broken the fair play rules. The facts, however, suggest otherwise my friend! £3 million from Grabban sale - £4-5 million from Lallana sell on.
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Post by terrierng on Dec 24, 2014 15:08:18 GMT 1
Ipswich and Brentford are both well managed /motivated clubs, but Bournemouth are a perfect example of the cheating bastards that have broken the fair play rules. The facts, however, suggest otherwise my friend! £3 million from Grabban sale - £4-5 million from Lallana sell on. even with that income,your wages you must be paying and your low crowds must mean you are close to failing ffp,so it is a gamble if you fail to go up,you could end up in a bad way....however I hope you don't and do go up,nice to see a small club<no offence > rattle the big boys of the championship...personally I think you will finish third then its a lottery but I hope you do it.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 24, 2014 15:53:46 GMT 1
Ipswich and Brentford are both well managed /motivated clubs, but Bournemouth are a perfect example of the cheating bastards that have broken the fair play rules. The facts, however, suggest otherwise my friend! £3 million from Grabban sale - £4-5 million from Lallana sell on. And therein lies the big problem! Until recently we have never got significant money for young lads coming thru and we have developed little also!!! The massive positive hoyle has brought here is making the place attractive to young promising players who can be sold on for decent money if they deliver for us or someone makes us a good offer ---- a la peltier, pilkington, norwood, clayton, rhodes.
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 24, 2014 16:13:30 GMT 1
In response to the OP, of course those clubs have better squads (for various reasons). Bournemouth obviously splashing a bit of cash, Ipswich steady away with a decent set-up, Brentford have an amazing infrastructure behind the scenes in terms of coaching/scouting and are incredibly well run.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 24, 2014 16:32:41 GMT 1
In response to the OP, of course those clubs have better squads (for various reasons). Bournemouth obviously splashing a bit of cash, Ipswich steady away with a decent set-up, Brentford have an amazing infrastructure behind the scenes in terms of coaching/scouting and are incredibly well run. What you assert re Brentford ? We are supposed to be like that aswel I'm sure I've heard it ?
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 24, 2014 17:29:46 GMT 1
In response to the OP, of course those clubs have better squads (for various reasons). Bournemouth obviously splashing a bit of cash, Ipswich steady away with a decent set-up, Brentford have an amazing infrastructure behind the scenes in terms of coaching/scouting and are incredibly well run. What you assert re Brentford ? We are supposed to be like that aswel I'm sure I've heard it ? You're right Nick, but these things take time. They've been at it for years, pioneering various new technologies, extensive scouting, etc. The likes of Pritchard, they've been monitoring since he was a kid. Warburton was coaching/scouting kids across Europe, then involved in academy football before making the step up to manager. Read all this in The Nowhere Men by Michael Calvin and it's a real eye-opener, especially where Brentford were concerned. They stuck out as a very forward-thinking, progressive club, doing things the right way and I'm sure it's a model many "smaller" clubs will wish to emulate.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 26, 2014 14:30:50 GMT 1
Ipswich edit: 2 3 up against Brentford - we beat one of 'em and gave the other a right fright. How shite ARE we?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 18:36:42 GMT 1
Another way of looking at it is to compare us with Bristol City, Sheff Utd PNE Bradford Coventry Barnsley Plymouth and Portsmouth ... Not sure Art where you get "a total lack of desire for success " from... maybe you can explain this ? Seeing as you are writing it as if its a fact ? Its been over 40 years since our last top flight appearance, 30 since our last automatic promotion, if that doesn't say 'lack of desire for success' I don't know what does!! Desiring something and actually being able to get it are two totally different things Art. I desire owning a vast amount of money, and I would probably cut off my middle finger to get it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to get it.
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Post by lu7red on Jan 4, 2015 10:25:49 GMT 1
Thanks for the replies, thanks Billy for the kind words! I just had to respond to bring called 'cheating bastards!' Regarding brentford, we admire what they are doing and I agree it's a safer path than we are taking..but they do have some dosh behind them too. The benefit they have is a fan owner and more importantly a nice new ground in the offing. Yes I presume we were close to the FFP regulations, but I think we were fortunate that the monies mentioned came in on time. As far as I can see we are enjoying the ride, not taking the piss and rubbing anyone's noses in it, as we are more than aware of where we have come from! (And it's easy to go back there...fast)
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Post by ColchTerrier on Jan 4, 2015 12:09:26 GMT 1
Ipswich edit: 2 3 up against Brentford - we beat one of 'em and gave the other a right fright. How shite ARE we? SO frustrating isn't it! I wonder where we would be with MM as our manager, with the same players we have now?
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Post by sudbury on Jan 4, 2015 12:22:34 GMT 1
The difference between the 3 above-mentioned clubs and Town is obviously the manager. Also Bournemouth were prepared to pay for Wilson and other players and we weren't.
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Post by Solid Snake on Jan 4, 2015 14:38:37 GMT 1
I doubt that Brentford will be able to sustain their form.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 4, 2015 14:42:08 GMT 1
Bornmuffs thrash Rotherham away , We are absolutely miles away from been a strong team.
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