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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 24, 2014 21:19:49 GMT 1
I know im a big fan of gerrard but can't see the logic at all in shipping him out. 2nd worst defensive record in the division and our best defender from last season finally gets a game and the opposition don't manage a single effort on goal except from a single dubious free kick ( that other players handed them on a plate). We have a lot of players id rather see go than gerrard including many who've been playing a lot this season.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 24, 2014 21:24:17 GMT 1
Really ? When was last time you saw him play ? He will either be inspired or an embarrassment .. Not sure which Well given that he's still only 36 and not so long ago was one of the best in the business, I'd expect him to be pretty decent at this level Hes been a 1 goal every 4.2 games striker in Australia. Not sure what the level is there but Id imagine its not championship standard. Maybe L2?
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Post by upthetown on Dec 24, 2014 21:27:24 GMT 1
Well given that he's still only 36 and not so long ago was one of the best in the business, I'd expect him to be pretty decent at this level Hes been a 1 goal every 4.2 games striker in Australia. Not sure what the level is there but Id imagine its not championship standard. Maybe L2? Holt is a 1 goal in every 7 games for us. I'd still keep him though.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 24, 2014 21:53:04 GMT 1
Hes been a 1 goal every 4.2 games striker in Australia. Not sure what the level is there but Id imagine its not championship standard. Maybe L2? Holt is a 1 goal in every 7 games for us. I'd still keep him though. Holt has brought alot to the team since he came but 2 goals in 14 is a really poor showing for any striker imo.. Afew goals over Xmas & we can forgive him though i reckon!
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Post by pieeater on Dec 24, 2014 22:00:21 GMT 1
most likely all on loan, club struggles to offload players on contracts you are right there _All_ clubs struggle to unload players who are on decent contracts but haven't been recently successful. Hardly surprising too. I mean, "he's been playing crap and he's on big money"....not exactly the best sales pitch is it?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 24, 2014 22:27:47 GMT 1
Well given that he's still only 36 and not so long ago was one of the best in the business, I'd expect him to be pretty decent at this level Hes been a 1 goal every 4.2 games striker in Australia. Not sure what the level is there but Id imagine its not championship standard. Maybe L2? Judging by the Hof, Gelpack snappies 2 nd division
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Post by terrier45 on Dec 24, 2014 22:45:48 GMT 1
We shouldn't sell Ward he always scores against Leeds
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Post by E4b on Dec 24, 2014 23:47:10 GMT 1
We shouldn't sell Ward he always scores against Leeds But Scannell has 2 goals to his credit already this season!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 23:47:47 GMT 1
Apparently heskey was aiming for QPR but he missed !!!!!
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Post by 52bob on Dec 25, 2014 0:30:53 GMT 1
I know im a big fan of gerrard but can't see the logic at all in shipping him out. 2nd worst defensive record in the division and our best defender from last season finally gets a game and the opposition don't manage a single effort on goal except from a single dubious free kick ( that other players handed them on a plate). We have a lot of players id rather see go than gerrard including many who've been playing a lot this season. The writing is on the wall for Gerrard. He was unable to make a pass out of defence and along with Peltier, is an impediment to the team in possession. To credit him for blanking Brum when Peltier and Robinson scarcely entered the Brum half in an extreme defensive display is ridiculous. Powell seems to prefer Wallace, because he is comfortable in possession and looks like he can develop into a decent CB. Gerrard is in decline.. That is the logic in shipping him out.
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Post by wigster on Dec 25, 2014 1:06:45 GMT 1
Problem is 52bob that Wallace can hardly be said to be developing very quickly. He was an accident waiting to happen when he first came in and has been similar nearly every match since. Obviously every player makes mistakes occasionally but few do as regularly as he does and if you look at the matches he's played in he is often very costly. His concentration hasn't improved and he'll never be blessed with pace or the ability in the air to dominate big strikers. I would have thought it would be a good move to get him a regular game in Div 1 or Div 2 and then we could see if he could ever get a decent level of consistency. I don't think even his strongest supporter would claim he's consistent. Let him make his mistakes elsewhere, or in a division where they won't be punished so often.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 25, 2014 1:07:08 GMT 1
Im giving credit to him for countering their strikers, which he ,alongside hudson, did very very comfortably and for the first time all season we looked very secure at the back. His timing of headers was a little off which isn't surprising having not played a competitive game for 7 months but other than that he played well and rarely gave the ball away at all. He must have played about 30 good 15-20 yard passes out of defence into our midfielders, but i guess you missed them all.
Who knows, maybe Wallace will develop into a much better centre back than gerrard in time, but at the moment he isn't anywhere near as good. Gerrard isn't in decline! Hes improved no end during his time here! At 28 with getting on for 350 senior apps, hes in his peak years as a centre back. Still got a couple of peak years to go.
Plus Ive seen nothing from hudson or Lynch to say either are going to be as consistently good as gerrard was last season. Lynch had a decent run of 7 or 8 games but then went back to the form he had prior to that with his up and down form ( within individual games) and blunders caused by lapses of concentration. Not to forget his frequent spells out with injuries you never actually see him pick up. Hudson started well and reads the game excellently, but has himself become a cock up waiting to happen lately. Struggles in the air and is possibly the slowest centre back I can ever remember us having.
So no, IMO whilst there is only 1 other club with a worst defensive record in the entire football league ( carlisle utd) , ditching Gerrard, even if hes not flavour of the month off the pitch, makes no sense at all to me.
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Post by 52bob on Dec 25, 2014 11:15:22 GMT 1
Im giving credit to him for countering their strikers, which he ,alongside hudson, did very very comfortably and for the first time all season we looked very secure at the back. His timing of headers was a little off which isn't surprising having not played a competitive game for 7 months but other than that he played well and rarely gave the ball away at all. He must have played about 30 good 15-20 yard passes out of defence into our midfielders, but i guess you missed them all. Who knows, maybe Wallace will develop into a much better centre back than gerrard in time, but at the moment he isn't anywhere near as good. Gerrard isn't in decline! Hes improved no end during his time here! At 28 with getting on for 350 senior apps, hes in his peak years as a centre back. Still got a couple of peak years to go. Plus Ive seen nothing from hudson or Lynch to say either are going to be as consistently good as gerrard was last season. Lynch had a decent run of 7 or 8 games but then went back to the form he had prior to that with his up and down form ( within individual games) and blunders caused by lapses of concentration. Not to forget his frequent spells out with injuries you never actually see him pick up. Hudson started well and reads the game excellently, but has himself become a cock up waiting to happen lately. Struggles in the air and is possibly the slowest centre back I can ever remember us having. So no, IMO whilst there is only 1 other club with a worst defensive record in the entire football league ( carlisle utd) , ditching Gerrard, even if hes not flavour of the month off the pitch, makes no sense at all to me. Happy Christmas, Captain. I respect your opinion but you really must stop using the tactic of plucking numbers out of the air. I might have missed a few of his 30 decent 15- 20 yard passes but I don't think you counted them all either.
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Post by al1985 on Dec 25, 2014 19:15:38 GMT 1
Am I right in thinking that we have £2-3 million from selling Clayton & Norwood? Could we not use some if that to pay a few off & release them. The rest used for recruitment maybe?
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Post by NookTerrier on Dec 25, 2014 20:57:13 GMT 1
Am I right in thinking that we have £2-3 million from selling Clayton & Norwood? Could we not use some if that to pay a few off & release them. The rest used for recruitment maybe? Are we completely disregarding any incoming transfers from the Summer then..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 8:53:04 GMT 1
Am I right in thinking that we have £2-3 million from selling Clayton & Norwood? Could we not use some if that to pay a few off & release them. The rest used for recruitment maybe? Are we completely disregarding any incoming transfers from the Summer then.. No. That's why we don't have a transfer embargo in January.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 9:06:02 GMT 1
More outgoings than incoming in January. 2-3 dutch players and a premier league youngster coming in in loan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 9:26:25 GMT 1
More outgoings than incoming in January. 2-3 dutch players and a premier league youngster coming in in loan. Blocked.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 26, 2014 9:41:16 GMT 1
More outgoings than incoming in January. 2-3 dutch players and a premier league youngster coming in in loan. Deffo a Dutch big striker coming in, Might be that Bobins of hesslclink
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Post by eadey on Dec 26, 2014 9:41:18 GMT 1
Mel, shouldn't you be on t'slopes?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 26, 2014 9:43:23 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 9:47:47 GMT 1
Mel, shouldn't you be on t'slopes? Waiting for the rest of the clan to to get their arses in gear. Cracking day here, clear blue sky, about -6 out. Beautiful.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 26, 2014 9:52:55 GMT 1
Mel, shouldn't you be on t'slopes? Waiting for the rest of the clan to to get their arses in gear. Cracking day here, clear blue sky, about -6 out. Beautiful. At Rovrum ?
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Post by amoeba on Dec 26, 2014 10:00:25 GMT 1
Waiting for the rest of the clan to to get their arses in gear. Cracking day here, clear blue sky, about -6 out. Beautiful. At Rovrum ? Sheffield Ski Village(even though it's burnt down I think)
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Post by Marco4 on Dec 26, 2014 10:23:46 GMT 1
Im giving credit to him for countering their strikers, which he ,alongside hudson, did very very comfortably and for the first time all season we looked very secure at the back. His timing of headers was a little off which isn't surprising having not played a competitive game for 7 months but other than that he played well and rarely gave the ball away at all. He must have played about 30 good 15-20 yard passes out of defence into our midfielders, but i guess you missed them all. Who knows, maybe Wallace will develop into a much better centre back than gerrard in time, but at the moment he isn't anywhere near as good. Gerrard isn't in decline! Hes improved no end during his time here! At 28 with getting on for 350 senior apps, hes in his peak years as a centre back. Still got a couple of peak years to go. Plus Ive seen nothing from hudson or Lynch to say either are going to be as consistently good as gerrard was last season. Lynch had a decent run of 7 or 8 games but then went back to the form he had prior to that with his up and down form ( within individual games) and blunders caused by lapses of concentration. Not to forget his frequent spells out with injuries you never actually see him pick up. Hudson started well and reads the game excellently, but has himself become a cock up waiting to happen lately. Struggles in the air and is possibly the slowest centre back I can ever remember us having. So no, IMO whilst there is only 1 other club with a worst defensive record in the entire football league ( carlisle utd) , ditching Gerrard, even if hes not flavour of the month off the pitch, makes no sense at all to me. Happy Christmas, Captain. I respect your opinion but you really must stop using the tactic of plucking numbers out of the air. I might have missed a few of his 30 decent 15- 20 yard passes but I don't think you counted them all either. Luckily, Opta do. 31/37 completed passes for Gerrard v. Birmingham; admittedly, not all to midfielders, but here they all are (thanks to Squawka). Oh, green for completed, red for not completed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 10:57:19 GMT 1
actually.... if we could get rid there would be a lot of players going. a lot of people on here - myself included - think we are better than we really are. but at this stage of the season the table does not lie. Now do we as a club sit on our hands and hope powell can pull a magic football playing rabbit out of his cap, or do we look at it realistically and admit we are simply not good enough and let powell rip apart this squad of players and rebuild a side that can play to his philosophy?
as with everytime we change things around, money comes into it. can we afford it?
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Post by 52bob on Dec 26, 2014 11:05:43 GMT 1
Happy Christmas, Captain. I respect your opinion but you really must stop using the tactic of plucking numbers out of the air. I might have missed a few of his 30 decent 15- 20 yard passes but I don't think you counted them all either. Luckily, Opta do. 31/37 completed passes for Gerrard v. Birmingham; admittedly, not all to midfielders, but here they all are (thanks to Squawka). Oh, green for completed, red for not completed. Damn you marco4! Apologies to Captain Slapper for treating his figures with contempt.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 26, 2014 11:55:53 GMT 1
Im giving credit to him for countering their strikers, which he ,alongside hudson, did very very comfortably and for the first time all season we looked very secure at the back. His timing of headers was a little off which isn't surprising having not played a competitive game for 7 months but other than that he played well and rarely gave the ball away at all. He must have played about 30 good 15-20 yard passes out of defence into our midfielders, but i guess you missed them all. Who knows, maybe Wallace will develop into a much better centre back than gerrard in time, but at the moment he isn't anywhere near as good. Gerrard isn't in decline! Hes improved no end during his time here! At 28 with getting on for 350 senior apps, hes in his peak years as a centre back. Still got a couple of peak years to go. Plus Ive seen nothing from hudson or Lynch to say either are going to be as consistently good as gerrard was last season. Lynch had a decent run of 7 or 8 games but then went back to the form he had prior to that with his up and down form ( within individual games) and blunders caused by lapses of concentration. Not to forget his frequent spells out with injuries you never actually see him pick up. Hudson started well and reads the game excellently, but has himself become a cock up waiting to happen lately. Struggles in the air and is possibly the slowest centre back I can ever remember us having. So no, IMO whilst there is only 1 other club with a worst defensive record in the entire football league ( carlisle utd) , ditching Gerrard, even if hes not flavour of the month off the pitch, makes no sense at all to me. I think you are right - but he's being ditched for non-footballing reasons. When any player moves on I hope we replace them with someone better.
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Post by Mirfielder on Dec 26, 2014 12:23:14 GMT 1
You can also add sick note Vaughan to the list.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 26, 2014 16:42:46 GMT 1
You can also add sick note Vaughan to the list. Jesus.. He's our best striker by miles! Do you think we'd be playing Championship football today if it wasn't for Vaughan's goals? Short memories..
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