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Post by htfcterrier23 on Jan 3, 2015 23:31:18 GMT 1
At this point, I am questioning what Powell is bringing to the table and beginning to think we would be doing as well/poorly under Lillis. Town need to be attacking, entertaining, aggressive, creative. That is not Chris Powell's HTFC, who seem to be negative and frankly boring. Were we negative and boring against Bolton ? I've really enjoyed some of the performances under Powell.. Though granted there has been plenty of dross in and amongst True. Can't lose perspective. Big picture: still think he's too negative.
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Post by Stiggy on Jan 3, 2015 23:33:58 GMT 1
Though I haven't been impressed with Powell so far I agree he definitely needs more time. Lets not forget this isn't his team. We'll learn a lot from the next half of the season. For now we and the club need to fully back him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 23:37:02 GMT 1
We seem to have struggled finding our feet since promotion from L1. The way our club is being run just demands patience. The club will know that they're almost at a tipping point now that will go one of 2 ways and perhaps this transfer window might be one of the most important in our recent history?
That's not to say we didn't sound dire today, a very bad day at the office, but lets just mark another year down for the FA Cup and hope that we can spend the next 4 months building a platform to kick on positively and make sure we can build some consistency and positive support from the majority of the fanbase.
Today will be forgotten about by next Saturday, though there'll be the usual masochists watching the 4th round draw in a Jim Bowen "this is what you could have had" style...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 23:38:02 GMT 1
Powell is going nowhere unless Deano sells up. Deano's nailed his colours to the mast. Powell's his last throw of the dice. You'd better get used to him, and try to see the good in him, softlad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 23:38:04 GMT 1
this forum makes me laugh at times , rome wasn't built in a day what happened to fans supporting the team through thick and thin ? yes they will be good and bad days , like bolton last week and today we were shocking , huddersfield are on a tight budget, we dont have the money the majority of championship clubs have . yes you are going to have the exceptions like bournemouth who are over achieving , id rather we built the club up slow and steady and keep debts to a minimum , not only that but it keeps the club viable in the future we have all new training facilities which lets be honest was needed for the club to move forward as a whole Finally a bit of sense. We are exactly where we should be. It isn't fun losing more than you win and I understand that following a lower to middle of the table club isn't that exciting, but as a club of our size, in this division, with our budget, we are performing pretty much exactly how we were expected to perform at the beginning of the season: The club is run really well and CP is performing adequately.
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Post by Stiggy on Jan 3, 2015 23:39:43 GMT 1
this forum makes me laugh at times , rome wasn't built in a day what happened to fans supporting the team through thick and thin ? yes they will be good and bad days , like bolton last week and today we were shocking , huddersfield are on a tight budget, we dont have the money the majority of championship clubs have . yes you are going to have the exceptions like bournemouth who are over achieving , id rather we built the club up slow and steady and keep debts to a minimum , not only that but it keeps the club viable in the future we have all new training facilities which lets be honest was needed for the club to move forward as a whole Yes and they'll be a bike ride and golf day shortly? You'll also be in with a chance of winning 2 grand on the golden gamble next week.
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Post by terrierpark on Jan 3, 2015 23:42:55 GMT 1
this forum makes me laugh at times , rome wasn't built in a day what happened to fans supporting the team through thick and thin ? yes they will be good and bad days , like bolton last week and today we were shocking , huddersfield are on a tight budget, we dont have the money the majority of championship clubs have . yes you are going to have the exceptions like bournemouth who are over achieving , id rather we built the club up slow and steady and keep debts to a minimum , not only that but it keeps the club viable in the future we have all new training facilities which lets be honest was needed for the club to move forward as a whole Correction. We are not prepared to spend the money that other Championship clubs do. We have the money we received higher transfer fees for norwood and clayton than what we spent . Losing thousands of fans through shite football is hardly going to make us viable is it.
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Jan 3, 2015 23:45:56 GMT 1
Yes today was crap and not acceptable but we wont come up against a bunch of cheating, moaning crap like Reading were. They came with spoiling tactics and it worked. We don't seem to have a plan B Mr Powell and the fans have wanted tow up from and the result was no midfield at all. Let Chris Powell bring in his own men and then we can judge and him all this get him out, will solve nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 23:49:30 GMT 1
this forum makes me laugh at times , rome wasn't built in a day what happened to fans supporting the team through thick and thin ? yes they will be good and bad days , like bolton last week and today we were shocking , huddersfield are on a tight budget, we dont have the money the majority of championship clubs have . yes you are going to have the exceptions like bournemouth who are over achieving , id rather we built the club up slow and steady and keep debts to a minimum , not only that but it keeps the club viable in the future we have all new training facilities which lets be honest was needed for the club to move forward as a whole Correction. We are not prepared to spend the money that other Championship clubs do. We have the money we received higher transfer fees for norwood and clayton than what we spent . Losing thousands of fans through shite football is hardly going to make us viable is it. It not the philosophy of the club to spend beyond our means, nor do Dean Hoyle, the players or Chris Powell want to play 'shit football'. The club does not have the money: The club is losing money. The transfer fees have only softened the amount we are losing. Adding an extra 3,000 to attendances would not justify the extra expenditure required to compete at the top of the division.
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Post by htfcmatt89 on Jan 3, 2015 23:49:50 GMT 1
[/quote]Correction. We are not prepared to spend the money that other Championship clubs do. We have the money we received higher transfer fees for norwood and clayton than what we spent . Losing thousands of fans through shite football is hardly going to make us viable is it. [/quote]
can you prove this ?
clubs don't normally receive a fee in full like rhodes is been paid over 4 years as dean hoyle himself said
im sure it will be similar for other transfer fees like norwood and clayton
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Post by ACW on Jan 3, 2015 23:52:00 GMT 1
is it chris powells fault we have players on the books that are just collecting a wage and doing fuck all ? give the man a chance to put his stamp on the team , he isn't useless hes a very intelligent manager that needs a couple of transfer windows to sort our squad out stop using him as a scapegoat and blame the players that have been inconsistent for the last 2/3 years Agreed to an extent, but Powell is not without fault. He has overseen some shockingly unambitious, defensive performances this season. He does need time, and he has also been in charge of some very encouraging performances, but I don't like his habit of going very defensive in very winnable games. Make no mistake, today we played a very, very poor Reading side and we didn't go at them at all. Yes, the players didn't perform, but neither did the manager - the tactics (lack of movement and ambition, over reliance on high, hopeful balls, etc) never changed throughout the game, even when the subs were made.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jan 3, 2015 23:52:59 GMT 1
If we can't even try and win a game against a very mediocre Reading we may as well give up. Not impressed at all with Powell, today was absoloutely awful. He talks a good game but delivers fuck all.
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Post by ACW on Jan 3, 2015 23:57:51 GMT 1
this forum makes me laugh at times , rome wasn't built in a day what happened to fans supporting the team through thick and thin ? yes they will be good and bad days , like bolton last week and today we were shocking , huddersfield are on a tight budget, we dont have the money the majority of championship clubs have . yes you are going to have the exceptions like bournemouth who are over achieving , id rather we built the club up slow and steady and keep debts to a minimum , not only that but it keeps the club viable in the future we have all new training facilities which lets be honest was needed for the club to move forward as a whole Finally a bit of sense. We are exactly where we should be. It isn't fun losing more than you win and I understand that following a lower to middle of the table club isn't that exciting, but as a club of our size, in this division, with our budget, we are performing pretty much exactly how we were expected to perform at the beginning of the season: The club is run really well and CP is performing adequately. I can accept losing - being a Town fan means its something I've had to get used to - but I want to see my team at least trying to win. If we had lost today giving it a go then fair enough. Trouble is - we didn't. We didn't have the necessary drive, ambition or approach to beat a very poor Reading side. Sure, we could have gone at them a bit more and still lost - these things happen - but we didn't, and that is the crux of my argument: the approach was all wrong, as it has been in some other matches this season under Powell. Powell deserves time, and the chance to get his own players in. He also deserve credit for the great performances against the likes of Forest, Brentford and Bolton. However, he also seems to set us up in some (not all!) games with a defensive mentality. This is fine in tough away games, but not against shite like Brum and Reading. The calls for Powell to go are ridiculous, but there are definite concerns and questions to be answered. That was shocking today - in approach as well as performance.
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Post by y2troy on Jan 4, 2015 0:03:24 GMT 1
What a week at Downatthemac , changes everything....
Agree with giving CP few windows and proper sorting the club out all the way up ,as you keep calling for managers heads at the sign of something going wrong what do u expect of this football club. Like it or not we need stability win lose or draw now as hiring,firing managers as they bring in there own ideas and crop of players will just make a mess of the infrastructure,let alone the academy.
This window is key let him get the players he wants now as think he now knows what he needs and let him get rid of who he wants to and rebuild and lets get behind him, the majority of town fans on here want instant success its not like that. From what i read most fans seem to want instant success and if lose a few games or things dont go well then sack the Manager, we resemble a championship version of Newcastle that way as they have high expectations had numerous managers before pardew,thrown loads at managers inbetween and when they should have stuck we safe hands an built the club up...
Thats my opinion, no doubt some will like ,some will not ....But look at this this way he came in after the last window shut with Robins team with the team been battered and low confidence and had to get to know the team ,as i have said on other threads ,every manager will say judge him after a full pres season and once he has his own team in there, untill then u cant really judge the man but support him untill the end of the season as thats the cards we have been dealt with and i think he will get it right as when he has got it right we have looked impressive but when its gone wrong thats when he knows what hes working with,as its all well an good when ur winning but u know the strength of character of a player when ur up against it and think CP found this out hard way due to timing of appointment
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Post by AndySk on Jan 4, 2015 0:09:49 GMT 1
Too early to say get rid however he is pretty wank so far. Use of subs once again dire today. He's clearly happy with the dross served up. Hasn't got an attacking bone in his body. How Butterfield wasn't given at least 30 mins is just baffling. His plans for Lolley seem to be 5 mins every so often. No doubt Wells dropped for next game despite him and Hogg been only 2 to put a shift in.
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Post by htfcsince71 on Jan 4, 2015 0:23:49 GMT 1
So what or who do we put the transformation of Scannell and Hogg down to? He has made a difference - after the Bournemouth game I didn't expect us to get into double figures this season. Give him a chance !!
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Post by specialun on Jan 4, 2015 0:34:14 GMT 1
I like that he's a thinker I like that he does look to change the shape if it isn't working (albeit quite often his own doing) He needs a transfer window
Slow at making subs Overcomplicates things by changing it every week then says we need to be consistent - starts from the top Chris! Too negative - I don't like that we don't press the ball, and sit deeper and deeper as games go on - it cost us at Rotherham and his decision to bring Gerrard on versus Bolton and go 7 2 1 or so it seemed almost cost us. Set pieces are even worse than when we arrived Full of sound bites with no action to back them up What is our style? I don't know - sometimes we're slow from the back, sometimes long ball etc. I don't know what a Chris Powell side stands for.
... And started to look like Wadsworth leaning against that post. That HAS to stop!
So overall, the above pretty much reflects his record, not good enough so far - Won 6 out of 20.
Since that excellent performance versus Notts Forest (pressing high, playing high tempo, playing 442) ...P10, W2, D2, L6, F9 A18. That's concerning.
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Post by terrier2014 on Jan 4, 2015 0:41:13 GMT 1
Give him time let him enjoy his time in Yorkshire.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 4, 2015 0:53:59 GMT 1
I agree CP needs time - preferably at the job centre! Oh what a witty comedian.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 4, 2015 0:58:21 GMT 1
this forum makes me laugh at times , rome wasn't built in a day what happened to fans supporting the team through thick and thin ? yes they will be good and bad days , like bolton last week and today we were shocking , huddersfield are on a tight budget, we dont have the money the majority of championship clubs have . yes you are going to have the exceptions like bournemouth who are over achieving , id rather we built the club up slow and steady and keep debts to a minimum , not only that but it keeps the club viable in the future we have all new training facilities which lets be honest was needed for the club to move forward as a whole Correction. We are not prepared to spend the money that other Championship clubs do. We have the money we received higher transfer fees for norwood and clayton than what we spent . Losing thousands of fans through shite football is hardly going to make us viable is it. Obviouisly i don't disagree that shit football means we have lower attendances, but you always come our with this shit that does not consider wages and general running costs.
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Post by popterriertastic on Jan 4, 2015 8:32:53 GMT 1
chris powell needs time , lets see what he can do in this transfer window . get rid of some of the deadwood other managers have brought in absolute pointless sacking him now , yes we was shit today and yes were out of the fa cup , so what its a burden in my eyes i love the fa cup , but championship football is more important to the club atm . When are people going to realise that Town managers just change the deadwood, they don't get rid of it. Unless there is a substantial change of transfer policy, increase in wage commitment etc then this is our future. You can only get so far with free transfers and young potential. At some point you have to buy a team in the modern game
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 8:49:43 GMT 1
we seem to be going backwards.
who is really at fault? the players or the coaching staff?
oh and for any team coming to play us this season.... just park the bus and we're fooked.
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Post by 007Berlin on Jan 4, 2015 9:19:46 GMT 1
What concerns me is that in all reality Powell is no different to all the recent managers we've had and people are saying "give him a transfer window". Well our last managers got a transfer window or 2 and we've been left with a load of crap that we can't get rid of. If we allow powell to bring a load more crap in what we going to do then?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 4, 2015 9:20:36 GMT 1
The Jury is certainly out. Imo it's daft to say get rid. That was totally unacceptable yesterday though, a disgrace.
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Post by patfield on Jan 4, 2015 9:37:18 GMT 1
Seriously do we want to go down the Leeds united route. The result and performance was shit yesterday, no defending it. The players need to ask themselves questions. To be frank i would be ashamed to show my face in Huddersfield if I had been on that pitch yesterday. They now need to get a grip roll their sleeves up and show a bit of fight. If they cant be bothered they can all f off somewhere else for me. There are others itching to have a go, maybe not as good but would love the chance to prove their worth. Powell needs to point this out to them and sit them all down with Dean in attendance and find out which players are prepared to man up and put a shift in.
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Post by patfield on Jan 4, 2015 9:39:43 GMT 1
What concerns me is that in all reality Powell is no different to all the recent managers we've had and people are saying "give him a transfer window". Well our last managers got a transfer window or 2 and we've been left with a load of crap that we can't get rid of. If we allow powell to bring a load more crap in what we going to do then? In fairness to Powell what crap has he brought in? Give the lad a chance to get who he wants in, then by all means judge him.
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Post by captainblack on Jan 4, 2015 9:40:04 GMT 1
It was a poor game yesterday but I do not think you can lay the blame on Powell. Reading were a bunch of cynical spoilers, any hint of a Town attack and there was a petty foul committed. Reading came with a plan to stifle Town at any opportunity and try and hit Town on the break ,it was certainly not pretty but it worked .
Lets wait and see what happens in this transfer window, Powell can begin to shape his own team and hopefully we can begin to see a more consistent Town.
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Post by ram on Jan 4, 2015 12:59:10 GMT 1
Makes me smile to hear that phrase "get rid of the deadwood"..How? You can,t put it on the back of a lorry and take it to the tip!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 13:02:47 GMT 1
Please get rid of CP now. As soon as I heard the team - no Butterfield Scanell on the bench the writing was on the wall. We go 1-0 down & he gives Lolley 4 minutes. Just resign and get back to London asap. What a stupid comment
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Post by htfcterry on Jan 4, 2015 13:09:11 GMT 1
Yeah let's lose a second manager this season, we might just then be as laughable as them lot down the road
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