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Post by upthetown on Jan 10, 2015 20:05:02 GMT 1
He's a good fourth choice midfielder. Happy with our central midfield options. A striker and a defender short currently. Possibly a winger with two leaving.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 10, 2015 20:09:48 GMT 1
Best game I've seen Oscar have, very good, surprised me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 20:11:47 GMT 1
Hogg to replace a far from poor Gobern for me. Me too. i think hogg will come back in gobern played well today those who thought different dont know what they watched |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 20:17:41 GMT 1
gobern had a really good game. Keep the same side next week?
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Post by upthetown on Jan 10, 2015 20:19:11 GMT 1
gobern had a really good game. Keep the same side next week? Wouldn't change a winning side, that looked good, against a very good side. |
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Post by softboy on Jan 10, 2015 20:26:25 GMT 1
Though he played really well today - still cannot understand why the guys sat a couple of seats away were booing him. Looked a bit like Jeremy Kyle material so decided not to say anything to them - but when Watford scored they then booed everything Smithies did thereafter. Surely the stewards should be allowed to eject people who have not brain cells.
Really enjoyed today but these fans (no) spoiled it a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 20:54:17 GMT 1
What about that shot in the second half from 25 yards? Outside of the boot. 10 yards wide  Given it was on target but took a deflection that we were awarded a corner from, I'm not really sure why it deserves laughing at?! I THINK the keeper wouldn't have got it had it not been deflected wide. |
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Post by upthetown on Jan 10, 2015 20:55:20 GMT 1
What about that shot in the second half from 25 yards? Outside of the boot. 10 yards wide Given it was on target but took a deflection that we were awarded a corner from, I'm not really sure why it deserves laughing at?! I THINK the keeper wouldn't have got it had it not been deflected wide. He's on about the other one, the weird chip type shot he tried when in space. |
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Post by yoy on Jan 10, 2015 21:25:15 GMT 1
He was ok and played his part in a very good team performance. I still think he was one of our weaker links though. Gives the ball away too often and off the ball he always seems caught in two minds as to where he should be. For me, Hogg has to be straight back in.
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Post by yoy on Jan 10, 2015 21:27:44 GMT 1
Given it was on target but took a deflection that we were awarded a corner from, I'm not really sure why it deserves laughing at?! I THINK the keeper wouldn't have got it had it not been deflected wide. He's on about the other one, the weird chip type shot he tried when in space. Had forgotten about that. Don't think he was though. Think he was on about the one he toe poked high and wide from the edge of the box. Watford were awarded a goal kick. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 21:36:51 GMT 1
He's on about the other one, the weird chip type shot he tried when in space. Had forgotten about that. Don't think he was though. Think he was on about the one he toe poked high and wide from the edge of the box. Watford were awarded a goal kick. Who was worse then ? If people thought Gobern was our worst performer then IMO they are letting their previous opinion on him cloud their judgement of today's game. Thought he did really well, particularly in breaking play up. Passing was a bit off at times as to be expected having not played much. |
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Post by yoy on Jan 10, 2015 21:38:59 GMT 1
Not sure why I'm quoted on that
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Post by John Smith on Jan 10, 2015 21:47:21 GMT 1
He played well. Impressed me actually.
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Post by raggytash on Jan 10, 2015 21:52:54 GMT 1
Jesus the amount of people on here who thought Gobern had a good game, did he actually pass to atown player, most of them whent to a yellow shirt..............
Squad player at most!!!
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Post by delroy on Jan 10, 2015 21:58:37 GMT 1
Key role in two of the goals!
Must keep the shirt or there's no incentive for any fringe player.
People who talk about giving the ball away seem to have forgotten how poor Hogg's
passing often is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 22:00:20 GMT 1
Key role in two of the goals! Must keep the shirt or there's no incentive for any fringe player. People who talk about giving the ball away seem to have forgotten how poor Hogg's passing often is. Hoggs passing has been much improved this season fyi |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 10, 2015 22:04:27 GMT 1
Key role in two of the goals! Must keep the shirt or there's no incentive for any fringe player. People who talk about giving the ball away seem to have forgotten how poor Hogg's passing often is. Last season I would agree with you but Hogg's passing has improved immeasurably this season. I would bring Hogg back in but tell both Coady and Hogg that their standards mustn't slip because Gobern has now gained the trust needed of a manager with today's display and he is now not far behind them for a starting place. |
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Jan 10, 2015 22:06:45 GMT 1
I'll try put my interpretation of it simply.
Last week Hogg was sent off meaning missing the game against his old club Watford who are on a very very good running including winning their last 3 away games.
Team sheet arrives. Gobern in. I sigh a bit.
This guy hasn't played for months at first team level he came in today and did a job, for those who are saying hes shite after his first game back give your heads a shake and give him a chance.
He did well today especially in the second half against a top championship team in Watford.
I'm not particularly a gobern fan but some of you lot really need to give your heads a shake and support the Players who give their all for HTFC.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 10, 2015 22:07:10 GMT 1
Not on the same level as Hogg or anywhere near it and i doubt he ever will be IMO, but to be fair he did ok today by his standards, especially considering his lack of games. The effort was there which is a big reason why it was one of his better games.
He REALLY needs to work on his right foot though. It beggars belief how anyone can be a pro footballer and be so tragically one footed and for a central midfielder its even more of a handicap.
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Post by townatheart on Jan 10, 2015 22:07:46 GMT 1
Jesus the amount of people on here who thought Gobern had a good game, did he actually pass to atown player, most of them whent to a yellow shirt.............. Squad player at most!!! absolutely inaccurate and obviously prejudiced observation imo, yes, some of his passing was errant, and a couple woeful, but the vast majority were decent passes to a Town player, and a few were incisive. everyone is welcome to an opinion i suppose, but some of the keyboard warrior types having to dish out crap on our own players can be very annoying.  |
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Post by townatheart on Jan 10, 2015 22:10:43 GMT 1
I'll try put my interpretation of it simply. Last week Hogg was sent off meaning missing the game against his old club Watford who are on a very very good running including winning their last 3 away games. Team sheet arrives. Gobern in. I sigh a bit. This guy hasn't played for months at first team level he came in today and did a job, for those who are saying hes shite after his first game back give your heads a shake and give him a chance. He did well today especially in the second half against a top championship team in Watford. I'm not particularly a gobern fan but some of you lot really need to give your heads a shake and support the Players who give their all for HTFC. excellent summary, he ain't no superstar granted, but played reasonably well, and made a genuine effort in an excellent team performance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 22:23:18 GMT 1
Jesus the amount of people on here who thought Gobern had a good game, did he actually pass to atown player, most of them whent to a yellow shirt.............. Squad player at most!!! 64% pass completion rate for Gobern today.  Interestingly most of his failed passes were when going direct up the pitch, it also looks like on average these were typically longer than his more successfull short little sideways and backwards possession keeping passes. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 10, 2015 22:28:53 GMT 1
It also says he won 67% of his tackles whereas Coady didn't win any.
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Post by raggytash on Jan 10, 2015 22:32:27 GMT 1
Jesus the amount of people on here who thought Gobern had a good game, did he actually pass to atown player, most of them whent to a yellow shirt.............. Squad player at most!!! absolutely inaccurate and obviously prejudiced observation imo, yes, some of his passing was errant, and a couple woeful, but the vast majority were decent passes to a Town player, and a few were incisive. everyone is welcome to an opinion i suppose, but some of the keyboard warrior types having to dish out crap on our own players can be very annoying. Not dishing out crap on town players , just don't think Gobern is a good passer, and for me doesn't do enough to start games, but that's my opinion and if you think it's annoying Tough shit!!!, |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 22:51:59 GMT 1
For what its worth, of the defensive and possession retention stats related to our midfielders...(and note I can't vouch the 100% accuracy of this, but they're comprehensive, and comparable)
PassCompl TackleSuccess AerialDuelWins Interceptions Clearances Fouls
Gobern 64% 67% 50% 1 3 0
Coady 75% 0% 0% 5 2 0
Butterfield 72% 33% 0% 0 3 1
Scannell 77% 100% 0% 1 0 0
Probably not worth reading too much into the tackle %'ages, its surprising how few tackle attempts are made in modern football, most change over of possession is as a result of forcing a mistake rather than old fashioned going and winning a ball that another player has at his feet (Scannell made one tackle attempt for his 100%).
Maybe from the stats you could presume that Coady is better at reading what the opposition will do with the ball, with his superior number of interceptions?
Looking at the more attacking related data...(personally I think this doesn't really tell you much, the number of events (as with the tackling above) are too low to demonstrate interesting statistical variance.
(X/Y numbers are X successful out of Y attempts)
Shots KeyPasses Assists Crosses TakeOns
Gobern 3 0 0 0/0 2/3
Coady 0 2 0 0/5 1/3
Butterfield 3 2 0 5/8 0 (2 of Butterfields crosses also considered as key passes)
Scannell 2 1 0 1/3 0/1
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jan 10, 2015 23:01:50 GMT 1
I think some are too quick to have a go at Oscar. When did he last play 90 minutes for the first team? He did very well overall and needs game time to fine tune his decision making and passing. He certainly passed a lot better today than JV did. He's still a young lad and needs confidence and support as Scanz did before he became more consistent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 23:03:15 GMT 1
Other interesting info in the stats are that...Vaughan generally faded away through to the 65th minute or so, but his game improved after his goal. Wells game gradually built up throughout the game, and continued to head upwards after his goal...this is a very positive sign.  |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 11, 2015 0:37:48 GMT 1
the most underrated player in our squad.
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Post by Giggity on Jan 11, 2015 1:36:54 GMT 1
I don't know if it was a coincidence but I thought Coady looked a lot better today playing alongside Gobern.
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Post by Yorkie on Jan 11, 2015 3:02:05 GMT 1
Cannot believe some of the comments about Oscar today. He was arguably MOTM, for me he was, followed closely by Robinson. Clearly he is the unfortunate victim of fans not forgetting previous. He won so many balls today and vaughans goal was started by Oscar.
Hogg will return next week but I'm delighted by Oscars performance today.
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