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Post by Big Ern on Jan 25, 2015 21:50:03 GMT 1
Strange isnt it one minute Wilson is the unwanted man ...someone comes in for him then wow dont let him go this guy is the messiah ,wake up for christ sake give it a few defeats no signings in transfer window and the same old moans will be coming out. This could be a blessing in disguise,you all wanted rid as DH was been badly advised many was saying not so long ago ...i personally think be better with CP sourcing and giving his own targets as he has good contacts around the leagues and abroad and we are starting to show the way he works, so use his knowledge DH and and let him build the club up. Talk about tarring everyone with the same brush. You appear to have fallen into the trap of seeing one or two vocal idiots bad mouth him and have "assumed" that is the general consensus. Well it ain't, trust me. The only people giving him shit on Twitter and on here are imbeciles with nothing better to do with their shitty little lives than to send daggers to club executives. These people are not town fans
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Post by terrierng on Jan 25, 2015 21:57:30 GMT 1
think you still think its the 1970s jimmy dean hoyle has made his fortune by cost cutting...do you really think he'd pay wilson a wage if he didnt think it was worth paying? i think you're ignorant of what he does so instead just say its simply not required You're right - Huddersfield Town would never have scouted and bought Wells if we didn't have Wilson. He was after all top scorer at a team about 15 miles away. We'd never have found him. Thank god we have Wilson. Arfield left because we didn't have him too... We'd have kept a player who doesn't look out of place in the Premership..... You're talking nonsense and buying into the shiny suit brigade. We may still have got Wells but im damn sure we would of paid a lot more, it was Wilson through his contacts who found out no one else were bidding in jan thus being able to play hardball with Bradford, initially they were demanding 2.5 million and telling us four other clubs were bidding.... Wilson had contacts at all these clubs, Bradford soon folded and it saved town a packet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 22:02:58 GMT 1
You're right - Huddersfield Town would never have scouted and bought Wells if we didn't have Wilson. He was after all top scorer at a team about 15 miles away. We'd never have found him. Thank god we have Wilson. Arfield left because we didn't have him too... We'd have kept a player who doesn't look out of place in the Premership..... You're talking nonsense and buying into the shiny suit brigade. We may still have got Wells but im damn sure we would of paid a lot more, it was Wilson through his contacts who found out no one else were bidding in jan thus being able to play hardball with Bradford, initially they were demanding 2.5 million and telling us four other clubs were bidding.... Wilson had contacts at all these clubs, Bradford soon folded and it saved town a packet. No way would we have paid 2.5 million for him anyway. Bradford probably got us to our top money, rather than us getting them down...... suppose it depends what pr spin you put on it.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 25, 2015 22:05:29 GMT 1
think you still think its the 1970s jimmy dean hoyle has made his fortune by cost cutting...do you really think he'd pay wilson a wage if he didnt think it was worth paying? i think you're ignorant of what he does so instead just say its simply not required You're right - Huddersfield Town would never have scouted and bought Wells if we didn't have Wilson. He was after all top scorer at a team about 15 miles away. We'd never have found him. Thank god we have Wilson. Arfield left because we didn't have him too... We'd have kept a player who doesn't look out of place in the Premership..... You're talking nonsense and buying into the shiny suit brigade. Hang on Jimmy .. It's easy to see that Arfields playing in the prem and from your Ivory stateside towers declare that we dropped a bollock.... Trust me... Arfield was mostly gash for us..... I soooo wanted him to succeed because initially it looked like he had promise.... He couldn't pass a football five yards .. It was embarrassing at times... Very few shed tears when he left .. Hindsight is a wonderful thing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 22:07:39 GMT 1
You're right - Huddersfield Town would never have scouted and bought Wells if we didn't have Wilson. He was after all top scorer at a team about 15 miles away. We'd never have found him. Thank god we have Wilson. Arfield left because we didn't have him too... We'd have kept a player who doesn't look out of place in the Premership..... You're talking nonsense and buying into the shiny suit brigade. Hang on Jimmy .. It's easy to see that Arfields playing in the prem and from your Ivory stateside towers declare that we dropped a bollock.... Trust me... Arfield was mostly gash for us..... I soooo wanted him to succeed because initially it looked like he had promise.... He couldn't pass a football five yards .. It was embarrassing at times... Very few shed tears when he left .. Hindsight is a wonderful thing It was in there somewhere. It's a shame we weren't able to get it out of him
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 25, 2015 22:10:10 GMT 1
Hang on Jimmy .. It's easy to see that Arfields playing in the prem and from your Ivory stateside towers declare that we dropped a bollock.... Trust me... Arfield was mostly gash for us..... I soooo wanted him to succeed because initially it looked like he had promise.... He couldn't pass a football five yards .. It was embarrassing at times... Very few shed tears when he left .. Hindsight is a wonderful thing It was in there somewhere. It's a shame we weren't able to get it out of him No .. It's a shame He wasn't able to get it out of himself
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Post by deadleg on Jan 25, 2015 22:10:48 GMT 1
Talk about tarring everyone with the same brush. You appear to have fallen into the trap of seeing one or two vocal idiots bad mouth him and have "assumed" that is the general consensus. Well it ain't, trust me. This happens constantly on here to be honest, varied opinions getting homogenised to fit whatever narrative people want to make for themselves. A, B and C think Wilson is probably doing a good job and should be left to get on with it while X, Y and Z think he's some sort of Rasputin figure pulling the wool over the club's eyes and stealing a living. Six months later all of the above can all hold exactly the same opinions they did before yet inevitably M will windmill in claiming 'Six months ago you all said this, now you all say that! What a set of hypocrites!'
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Post by terrierng on Jan 25, 2015 22:11:54 GMT 1
We may still have got Wells but im damn sure we would of paid a lot more, it was Wilson through his contacts who found out no one else were bidding in jan thus being able to play hardball with Bradford, initially they were demanding 2.5 million and telling us four other clubs were bidding.... Wilson had contacts at all these clubs, Bradford soon folded and it saved town a packet. No way would we have paid 2.5 million for him anyway. Bradford probably got us to our top money, rather than us getting them down...... suppose it depends what pr spin you put on it. No it depends on the facts...of which ive just given you,if you choose to believe spin or make it up, good luck,. And nowhere did i say town would of paid 2_5mill.read it properly or dont comment.cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 22:13:06 GMT 1
It was in there somewhere. It's a shame we weren't able to get it out of him No .. It's a shame He wasn't able to get it out of himself True but sometimes it needs good man management/coaching Look at Scannell
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 25, 2015 22:14:02 GMT 1
Fwiw Nicky I know you know.. And I know you ain't bullshitting ... Two things I wish I could say about the other guy
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 25, 2015 22:15:25 GMT 1
No .. It's a shame He wasn't able to get it out of himself True but sometimes it needs good man management/coaching Look at Scannell Again with Scannell .. For me he has to take personal responsibility.. Are these players spaffing away their careers on the off chance a managerial merlin might turn up ?
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Post by terrierng on Jan 25, 2015 22:18:55 GMT 1
Fwiw Nicky I know you know.. And I know you ain't bullshitting ... Two things I wish I could say about the other guy I shouldn't really humour him tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 22:23:49 GMT 1
If Southampton think that Ross Wilson is better at a task they need than their current incumbent, that's highly impressive given the success they've had in recent recruitment, both at first team and (albeit now we see the fruits of a few years ago) youth level, too. Ross Wilson is very good at his job and has many contacts in the game and scouting network . and no he doesnt scout himself. Yes he does.
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Post by detox on Jan 25, 2015 22:27:21 GMT 1
Why would he leave a club like Huddersfield Town...or is this the first sign of changes at the top/ownership ?? Why would he leave us for a top 6 prem club with the best academy in Britain ? Can't think why personally # delusional You missed the irony, ironically..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 22:39:43 GMT 1
No way would we have paid 2.5 million for him anyway. Bradford probably got us to our top money, rather than us getting them down...... suppose it depends what pr spin you put on it. No it depends on the facts...of which ive just given you,if you choose to believe spin or make it up, good luck,. And nowhere did i say town would of paid 2_5mill.read it properly or dont comment.cheers. So how much did he save then? Answer.... nothing, as we wouldn't have paid anymore anyway.
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Post by terrierng on Jan 25, 2015 22:45:59 GMT 1
No it depends on the facts...of which ive just given you,if you choose to believe spin or make it up, good luck,. And nowhere did i say town would of paid 2_5mill.read it properly or dont comment.cheers. So how much did he save then? Answer.... nothing, as we wouldn't have paid anymore anyway. You will never know thats another fact.
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Post by buckers on Jan 25, 2015 22:53:15 GMT 1
So how much did he save then? Answer.... nothing, as we wouldn't have paid anymore anyway. You will never know thats another fact. Don't debate transfers with super holt like argueing with a wall
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Post by specialun on Jan 25, 2015 23:03:37 GMT 1
Have to laugh at those saying he wouldn't be missed or that they would want him to leave. Just because a lot of Town fans don't have a full understanding of his role at the club, doesn't make his position at the club any less essential. As many have said, the gradually increasing quality in business of our incoming/outing transfers is mainly down to him, and surely the fact that Southampton are (reportedly) interested tells you everything you need to know about how good he is at his job, and how well respected he is. Two parts to this (1) The role and (2) Him in the role. The position is essential for us to get that edge over teams with bigger pulling power... The gradually increasing quality of our incoming / outing transfers is mainly down to him... Interested by this bit and looking for insight - As I put earlier I acknowledge a number of good deals, Coady looks to be one, the Clayton deal overall another given he had 12 months to run and the fee we got + Butterfield, albeit I think all parties will be happy with that deal, I also add the Norwood deal to that which was probably the best of the lot. We got Holt extended sharpsih, add to the list. The flip side is we failed to address the key areas we needed to strengthen going into the season - centre half and striker. We still haven't sorted the striker issue. We gave a player we didn't really need to sign a 3 year deal, are stuck with Madjweski etc. Yes the manager is involved, but he is in the good ones as well - has to work both ways. I'm open to understand (not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing) why you feel we've gradually improved deals - he wasn't here when we signed Rhodes, or Pilkington... or sold Pilkington two/three of the best deals in recent times. He arrived just before we sold Rhodes so would have had involvement in that. (And I'm not underestimating the role - and lets be clear it goes far beyond player recruitment, Canalside, sports science etc - a lot of which the average football fan doesn't see and would go unnoticed. Its only fair to add that - www.htafc.com/news/article/first-team-news-ross-wilson-308929.aspx probably explains his role best)
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Jan 25, 2015 23:22:17 GMT 1
True but sometimes it needs good man management/coaching Look at Scannell Again with Scannell .. For me he has to take personal responsibility.. Are these players spaffing away their careers on the off chance a managerial merlin might turn up ? Scannell paid for his own personal development coaching before the start of this season.
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Post by ritchie on Jan 25, 2015 23:49:01 GMT 1
No one can claim categorically that wilson has been a huge success or failure...we will have to see how things develop......but it amazes me how ANTI-wilson people can be. especially if you were to compare what he does vs some of the dross players that contribute nowt and will take home a much higher salary
every time this debate comes up i am staggered by some of the garbage people who obviously have no clue sling about.....................generally from people who think football is a simple game where if you get 11 players to put in 110%, a manager who shouts at people and a midfield enforcer you will beat everyone
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 26, 2015 8:24:00 GMT 1
No one can claim categorically that wilson has been a huge success or failure...we will have to see how things develop......but it amazes me how ANTI-wilson people can be. especially if you were to compare what he does vs some of the dross players that contribute nowt and will take home a much higher salary every time this debate comes up i am staggered by some of the garbage people who obviously have no clue sling about.....................generally from people who think football is a simple game where if you get 11 players to put in 110%, a manager who shouts at people and a midfield enforcer you will beat everyone Don't forget the substitute on 65 minutes. Football by numbers.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jan 27, 2015 14:56:01 GMT 1
Saints Identify New Transfer Mastermind LINK
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Post by royrace on Jan 28, 2015 10:56:15 GMT 1
Never really rated Wilson that much and I've been fairly disappointed with the lack of continuity between managers which was meant to be addressed but I've got to say it probably speaks volumes that we've been able to get rid of the players we have in this window and earlier in the season, says a lot about the overall squad quality that we're moving on players who are still sought after and some commanding impressive fees.
Compare that to previous seasons signing players on big deals and having to give them away after a season or two. I would imagine Deano is very pleased with this seasons transfer business to date. Just need some impressive in-comings now, with the fees received and the wages saved I would imagine there is a lot of scope.
Hopefully if Wilson does leave we have some succession planning in place and he'll have built the necessary framework for someone else to step in and do the job, I would imagine one of the reasons he was appointed to the board was to ensure he was harder to poach so hopefully it's done the trick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 11:40:25 GMT 1
Makes me laugh how some town fans don't think he's good enough for town even though Southampton are sniffing round him. Southampton have one the best academies an scouting networks in Europe. And to say Wilson doesn't scout himself is a nonsense because he does. He works his bollocks off for this club.
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Post by ritchie on Jan 28, 2015 12:00:42 GMT 1
Never really rated Wilson that much and I've been fairly disappointed with the lack of continuity between managers which was meant to be addressed but I've got to say it probably speaks volumes that we've been able to get rid of the players we have in this window and earlier in the season, says a lot about the overall squad quality that we're moving on players who are still sought after and some commanding impressive fees. Compare that to previous seasons signing players on big deals and having to give them away after a season or two. I would imagine Deano is very pleased with this seasons transfer business to date. Just need some impressive in-comings now, with the fees received and the wages saved I would imagine there is a lot of scope. Hopefully if Wilson does leave we have some succession planning in place and he'll have built the necessary framework for someone else to step in and do the job, I would imagine one of the reasons he was appointed to the board was to ensure he was harder to poach so hopefully it's done the trick. Based on?
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Post by Tiro on Jan 28, 2015 12:08:16 GMT 1
Makes me laugh how some town fans don't think he's good enough for town even though Southampton are sniffing round him. Southampton have one the best academies an scouting networks in Europe. And to say Wilson doesn't scout himself is a nonsense because he does. He works his bollocks off for this club.He does indeed. Two of the lads currently in the U21s lived with my parents for over a year (not to mention the countless trialists they took in for a week here and there too), so we got to see Ross Wilson go about his daily business quite often. There is so much more to his role than simply heading up the scouting department: he's an advisor and a liaison to some of the youngsters, he opens doors to many more avenues than he's given credit for, he's a top bloke and he's an absolute credit to the football club. He's in demand because despite what the dinosaurs and the ignorant of DATM believe, he has a reputation within the game that precedes him - and that's where it counts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 12:12:17 GMT 1
Never really rated Wilson that much and I've been fairly disappointed with the lack of continuity between managers which was meant to be addressed but I've got to say it probably speaks volumes that we've been able to get rid of the players we have in this window and earlier in the season, says a lot about the overall squad quality that we're moving on players who are still sought after and some commanding impressive fees. Compare that to previous seasons signing players on big deals and having to give them away after a season or two. I would imagine Deano is very pleased with this seasons transfer business to date. Just need some impressive in-comings now, with the fees received and the wages saved I would imagine there is a lot of scope. Hopefully if Wilson does leave we have some succession planning in place and he'll have built the necessary framework for someone else to step in and do the job, I would imagine one of the reasons he was appointed to the board was to ensure he was harder to poach so hopefully it's done the trick. Based on? I presume you rate him Ritchie? Based On? I wouldnt like to say if hes quality or not. We have made some average signings since he was involved and some good ones, but nothing exceptional..... Id say he does his job at a mid table championship club, nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Tiro on Jan 28, 2015 12:16:27 GMT 1
I presume you rate him Ritchie? Based On? I wouldnt like to say if hes quality or not. We have made some average signings since he was involved and some good ones, but nothing exceptional..... Id say he does his job at a mid table championship club, nothing more, nothing less.I'd say he works to the managers criteria and the budget set by the board at a mid championship club. Once the manager has HIS man, its up to him, the manager, to get the best out of the player, not RW. If the budget were to be raised 50%, who knows what he, RW, would be able to identify.
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Post by ritchie on Jan 28, 2015 12:20:30 GMT 1
I presume you rate him Ritchie? Based On? I wouldnt like to say if hes quality or not. We have made some average signings since he was involved and some good ones, but nothing exceptional..... Id say he does his job at a mid table championship club, nothing more, nothing less. Read the thread..I've always said we can't judge him over a short period of time....what i do know though is he works extremely hard, is well respected/has good contacts in the game and is trusted by the man paying his wages. During his time here we've brought in some very promising youngsters, and have done good business at a first team level - is that down to him? who knows...but he'll have certainly played his part. Lot of false facts put on here about what he does..and maybe that explains why a lot of people have this weird grudge against him!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 12:25:41 GMT 1
I presume you rate him Ritchie? Based On? I wouldnt like to say if hes quality or not. We have made some average signings since he was involved and some good ones, but nothing exceptional..... Id say he does his job at a mid table championship club, nothing more, nothing less.I'd say he works to the managers criteria and the budget set by the board at a mid championship club. Once the manager has HIS man, its up to him, the manager, to get the best out of the player, not RW. If the budget were to be raised 50%, who knows what he, RW, would be able to identify. Thats exactly my point, he is doing ok with the budget he has, Could he do better with more money? PROBABLY. I reckon I could probably find better players than I was able to with more money.... Surely thats not the point of his role or am I missing something? He should be doing better with the money that is availiable, which to give him his due, moving clayton and norwood and bringing in butterfield and coady, he did that, BUT THATS HIS JOB. He hasnt unearthed any gems, yet. Budget is all relative, youll get better known players, but finding someone like a Jordan Rhodes is what will make or break the club, not bringing in butterfield who everyone already knew had class, he was just unlucky with injuries. I maintain, he does a good job at a good championship club. For me to say he was expceptional then we would have needed to have transfer results akin to Swansea, Southampton and even Crewe and Peterborough although not sure they are still as good at it.
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