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Post by Marco4 on Jan 29, 2015 14:03:54 GMT 1
Is Dundee a bit like Genoa in that one of the teams has a cake named after them but the other doesn't?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:04:53 GMT 1
It may seem pedantic but it is Dundee United, Dundee is a different club, with a different history, different ground, different colours, different players etc. Dundee were traditionally the bigger club in the City until the 80s. If he was going to Sheff Wed you wouldnt jst call them Sheffield. Like Bradford Ciy should always be called Bradford City, Bradford is the proper name for Park Avenue as they too are traditionally the senior club in the City. Maybe the Dundee clubs should merge and form one decent club that folk might pay actual attention to? If they're not already decent that is, I've absolutely no idea what league either of them are typically in and which end of that league they live in. If pushed to guess I'd suggest Dundee are a top six Scot League 1 club with occasional seasons in the SPL and Utd are bottom half of that same League 1... And that they are typically watched by 6500 fans except when playing each other when 11000 turn out. Is that right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:12:27 GMT 1
Ha. Just checked.
Seems they're both in the SPL but otherwise I was right...but may have over egged their crowds a bit!!
When I said League 1 I meant the second tier by the way, didn't know there was a league called the Championship in Scotchland!
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Jan 29, 2015 14:16:30 GMT 1
Does really matter where he is going. If we can get rid then on your way lad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:18:12 GMT 1
It may seem pedantic but it is Dundee United, Dundee is a different club, with a different history, different ground, different colours, different players etc. Dundee were traditionally the bigger club in the City until the 80s. If he was going to Sheff Wed you wouldnt jst call them Sheffield. Like Bradford Ciy should always be called Bradford City, Bradford is the proper name for Park Avenue as they too are traditionally the senior club in the City. Maybe the Dundee clubs should merge and form one decent club that folk might pay actual attention to? If they're not already decent, I've absolutely no idea what league either of them are typically in and which end of that league they live in. If pushed to guess I'd suggest Dundee are a top six Scot League 1 club with occasional seasons in the SPL and Utd are bottom half of that same League 1... And that they are typically watched by 6500 fans except when playing each other when 11000 turn out. Is that right? Whatever, they have both won the Scottish League title, which hasnt always been the rubbish standard it is currently. Do we only need to differentuate between clubs that attract big crowds? Dens Park has a splendid cranked Leitch stand similar to the old main stand at Molinuex, which gives an insight into their historical standing. United were regulars in Europe in the 80s and were classed alonside Alex Fergusons Aberdeen as the "new firm".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:23:16 GMT 1
Ha. Just checked. Seems they're both in the SPL but otherwise I was right...but may have over egged their crowds a bit!! When I said League 1 I meant the second tier by the way, didn't know there was a league called the Championship in Scotchland! Dundee have had crowds over 40,000, and played a Scottish cup final in front of 136,000, the biggest crowd in scotland not to have included either Celtic or Rangers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:38:59 GMT 1
Maybe the Dundee clubs should merge and form one decent club that folk might pay actual attention to? If they're not already decent, I've absolutely no idea what league either of them are typically in and which end of that league they live in. If pushed to guess I'd suggest Dundee are a top six Scot League 1 club with occasional seasons in the SPL and Utd are bottom half of that same League 1... And that they are typically watched by 6500 fans except when playing each other when 11000 turn out. Is that right? Whatever, they have both won the Scottish League title, which hasnt always been the rubbish standard it is currently. Do we only need to differentuate between clubs that attract big crowds? Dens Park has a splendid cranked Leitch stand similar to the old main stand at Molinuex, which gives an insight into their historical standing. United were regulars in Europe in the 80s and were classed alonside Alex Fergusons Aberdeen as the "new firm". Nah, we just need to differentiate between the teams that can't do well in the rubbish league they're in (your description) NOW. Who cares if they were decent many years ago (presumably at least in the 80s or even earlier, back when the SPL was "decent"?!)... Its about as relevant as Ipswich, Derby or Burnley winning the English top flight. Ie, no longer very.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:39:51 GMT 1
Ha. Just checked. Seems they're both in the SPL but otherwise I was right...but may have over egged their crowds a bit!! When I said League 1 I meant the second tier by the way, didn't know there was a league called the Championship in Scotchland! Dundee have had crowds over 40,000, and played a Scottish cup final in front of 136,000, the biggest crowd in scotland not to have included either Celtic or Rangers. Town have had a crowd over 67000. That's irrelevant too!!
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Post by htafc on Jan 29, 2015 14:42:21 GMT 1
Backup needed
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Post by figo on Jan 29, 2015 15:46:40 GMT 1
Not sure why anyone should need to 'not be pedantic' about my post referring to Dundee and not Dundee Utd. I alluded to both clubs - but perhaps not quite clearly enough for some. as quite rightly pointed out by many after the 'not being pedantic' post, I was referring to Dundee - the place, and the team which my good mate is a fan of. the 26 yards Dixon travelled from one club to the other within Dundee (and for those of you keen on precise detail) would be Dundee to Dundee Utd) I have been to Dundee many times, and, although never attending a match, I have walked between the two grounds - as previously said about 26 yards!! my friend is well placed to point out that in his view Dixon was a good player when we signed him. That as basically all I was saying at that point in my post - without being too pedantic about it....
he is one of the few players to move between the clubs.
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Post by figo on Jan 29, 2015 15:46:53 GMT 1
Not sure why anyone should need to 'not be pedantic' about my post referring to Dundee and not Dundee Utd. I alluded to both clubs - but perhaps not quite clearly enough for some. as quite rightly pointed out by many after the 'not being pedantic' post, I was referring to Dundee - the place, and the team which my good mate is a fan of. the 26 yards Dixon travelled from one club to the other within Dundee (and for those of you keen on precise detail) would be Dundee to Dundee Utd) I have been to Dundee many times, and, although never attending a match, I have walked between the two grounds - as previously said about 26 yards!! my friend is well placed to point out that in his view Dixon was a good player when we signed him. That as basically all I was saying at that point in my post - without being too pedantic about it....
he is one of the few players to move between the clubs.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 29, 2015 16:00:14 GMT 1
I was once in Dundee on the day of the Derby.. there was a huge set to in Woolworths.. remember seeing two of the staff hiding in the photo booth...
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Post by figo on Jan 29, 2015 16:24:18 GMT 1
the rivalry between them is easily underestimated by us, because - in general, we don't really have too much to do with scottish football, especially outside the glasgow clubs but they are bitter rivals.I used to travel up there every week and tried to get to a midweek game where possible I saw Motherwell, Hamilton, Partick, Stirling, Falkirk to mention a few, and the fans all loved their clubs and had rivalries etc
and the grounds in Dundee are very close - just across the road!! If I'm not mistaken Big Dunc is from there, and would regularly be in the middle of it all when it kicked off - and from what i heard up there - usually the one left standing!!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 29, 2015 16:27:39 GMT 1
I was once in Dundee on the day of the Derby.. there was a huge set to in Woolworths.. remember seeing two of the staff hiding in the photo booth... Are you sure it wasn't just the usual set to when the pick n mix ran out?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 29, 2015 16:34:01 GMT 1
Not sure why anyone should need to 'not be pedantic' about my post referring to Dundee and not Dundee Utd. I alluded to both clubs - but perhaps not quite clearly enough for some. as quite rightly pointed out by many after the 'not being pedantic' post, I was referring to Dundee - the place, and the team which my good mate is a fan of. the 26 yards Dixon travelled from one club to the other within Dundee (and for those of you keen on precise detail) would be Dundee to Dundee Utd) I have been to Dundee many times, and, although never attending a match, I have walked between the two grounds - as previously said about 26 yards!! my friend is well placed to point out that in his view Dixon was a good player when we signed him. That as basically all I was saying at that point in my post - without being too pedantic about it.... he is one of the few players to move between the clubs. FIGO FIGO, get your facts right! Never in a million years are the two grounds (Dens Park and Tannadice) only 26 yards apart! They must be..............ooohhh, 80 yards apart at least, maybe even 100 yards at a push!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 18:24:40 GMT 1
Not sure why anyone should need to 'not be pedantic' about my post referring to Dundee and not Dundee Utd. I alluded to both clubs - but perhaps not quite clearly enough for some. as quite rightly pointed out by many after the 'not being pedantic' post, I was referring to Dundee - the place, and the team which my good mate is a fan of. the 26 yards Dixon travelled from one club to the other within Dundee (and for those of you keen on precise detail) would be Dundee to Dundee Utd) I have been to Dundee many times, and, although never attending a match, I have walked between the two grounds - as previously said about 26 yards!! my friend is well placed to point out that in his view Dixon was a good player when we signed him. That as basically all I was saying at that point in my post - without being too pedantic about it.... he is one of the few players to move between the clubs. FIGO I didnt quote your post. It was a general comment. If you read back through this thread and other previous threads referring to Dundee Utd (ie Cadamarteri Goodwin transfers and others)they are nearly always called Dundee, which is a different club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 18:26:00 GMT 1
Dundee have had crowds over 40,000, and played a Scottish cup final in front of 136,000, the biggest crowd in scotland not to have included either Celtic or Rangers. Town have had a crowd over 67000. That's irrelevant too!! Town have won the league three times in a row. Is that irrelevent?
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Post by beadlesrighthand on Jan 29, 2015 19:07:54 GMT 1
Talking about Scottish football, who plays at fir park?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 19:13:05 GMT 1
Town have had a crowd over 67000. That's irrelevant too!! Town have won the league three times in a row. Is that irrelevent? I'd say not, in terms of whether it makes us more or less significant a team than say 'the likes of' Charlton or Watford, in 2015.
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Post by duffterrier on Jan 29, 2015 20:11:45 GMT 1
bet the OP is really pleased he asked the forum a question!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 20:41:34 GMT 1
Talking about Scottish football, who plays at fir park? Motherwell, why?
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Post by beadlesrighthand on Jan 29, 2015 20:45:09 GMT 1
Talking about Scottish football, who plays at fir park? Motherwell, why? (Motherwell) "She's fine thanks for asking". (Sorry just amusing myself with an old joke. Slow news day.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 20:47:17 GMT 1
(Motherwell) "She's fine thanks for asking". (Sorry just amusing myself with an old joke. Slow news day.) Slow?? That's me pal, walked slap bang into that one. suicide
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 20:53:31 GMT 1
Technically Dixon is a pretty sound player, but his awareness, concentration and reading of the game is poor. As pointed out above, a steady stream of defensive lapses and his flat footedness in defence has lead to Grayson, Robins and Powell all dropping him for a stint. But testament to him, he's always seemed like he's got his head down and worked hard to get back in the side and done ok initially when he has. For me his level is Scots Prem/Top end League 1/bottom 4 or 5 Championship. If we want to move forward, Dixon won't be part of the plans, but as a squad player I'd imagine he'd be excellent to have at our level, just probably not an affordable one for a club like us... Nail meets head. Gets turned far too easily and doesn't have the athleticism to recover.
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Post by larrydavid on Feb 2, 2015 10:31:09 GMT 1
It may seem pedantic but it is Dundee United, Dundee is a different club, with a different history, different ground, different colours, different players etc. Dundee were traditionally the bigger club in the City until the 80s. If he was going to Sheff Wed you wouldnt jst call them Sheffield. Like Bradford Ciy should always be called Bradford City, Bradford is the proper name for Park Avenue as they too are traditionally the senior club in the City. Maybe the Dundee clubs should merge and form one decent club that folk might pay actual attention to? If they're not already decent that is, I've absolutely no idea what league either of them are typically in and which end of that league they live in. If pushed to guess I'd suggest Dundee are a top six Scot League 1 club with occasional seasons in the SPL and Utd are bottom half of that same League 1... And that they are typically watched by 6500 fans except when playing each other when 11000 turn out. Is that right? Hahahahaha, Dundee United have a history that your little tin pot club can only dream of. No amount of Rupert Murdoch's dirty money will ever change that. Come back to me when your wee diddy club regularly reaches the latter stages of the European Cup and UEFA Cup finals.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 2, 2015 10:33:43 GMT 1
Great to see the use of wee diddy in a post...
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Post by ColchTerrier on Feb 2, 2015 10:35:22 GMT 1
I haven't kicked a ball in a few seasons, but could probably still do a job in the SPL.
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Post by amoeba on Feb 2, 2015 10:40:16 GMT 1
Great to see the use of wee diddy in a post... Does it make us the wee diddy men?
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Post by midlander on Feb 2, 2015 10:53:59 GMT 1
Maybe the Dundee clubs should merge and form one decent club that folk might pay actual attention to? If they're not already decent that is, I've absolutely no idea what league either of them are typically in and which end of that league they live in. If pushed to guess I'd suggest Dundee are a top six Scot League 1 club with occasional seasons in the SPL and Utd are bottom half of that same League 1... And that they are typically watched by 6500 fans except when playing each other when 11000 turn out. Is that right? Hahahahaha, Dundee United have a history that your little tin pot club can only dream of. No amount of Rupert Murdoch's dirty money will ever change that. Come back to me when your wee diddy club regularly reaches the latter stages of the European Cup and UEFA Cup finals. Think you swam right into that net mate. FWIW, in this day and age Dundee Utd are a club which would be consistently playing at around the same level as ourselves - bottom half of Championship/ top end of League 1. Our histories are both just that - histories. Let's be honest, your forrays into Europe in the early-mid eighties were the golden era. Remember the final against IFK Gothenburg well. However, Dundee Utd qualifying for Europe is and should be a regular occurence. There's only Celtic and Rangers who are bigger than you in Scotland and Aberdeen and Hearts that are on a par. So, as a club, you should be playing European football most seasons. I'm not going to draw parallels between the state of the game in Scotland at the moment and the lower leagues in England, because you can see for yourself the type of journeymen English players that wind up in the top scottish flight. I am aware that you have a very good youth set up at Dundee Utd and you're churning out some good players (I'd take Armstrong off you, but he's probably Burnley-bound) - but the fact that Dixon, who is not good enough as a left-back for the top two flights in England would (I'm guessing) walk into your side, tells you where we are right now as clubs. I'm not sure where you get the notion that we benfit from Murdoch's money either - you will have far more TV money than us as we are rarely on TV. so, I'd pose you this question. For the third strongest side in Scotland (as you probably see yourselves historically), when was the last time you won the League? I know I had to look it up - noticed it was back in 1983. Also noticed that this was the only time in your history that you've won the league. Even Dumbarton have won more Championships for crying out loud (and they gave up trying to win them in the 19th Century). So, when you come and spout your proud historical nonsense on another club's board, at least have the slightest incling of your own club's limitations. We are Huddersfield Town, thrice Champions of England. Highly unlikely to ever be improved upon, but judging by your history, it'll be a long time until you've matched our three league titles in a much more competitive environment. Back on topic, I like Dixon as he's a trier. Looks good going forward and has a decent left peg. However, his regular forrays upfield rarely produce anything of note and he is very, very flat-footed defensively and positionally he lacks awareness. In a side playing against much weaker teams, he'd be an asset I'd imagine - certainly a lot lower quality than that Robertson lad you sold.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 2, 2015 11:04:46 GMT 1
Great to see the use of wee diddy in a post... Does it make us the wee diddy men? Or more worryingly
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