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Post by Terriers R Us on Feb 9, 2015 14:48:33 GMT 1
Fellow Terriers,
I am a fourth year student at Nottingham Trent University and a life long town fan. As part of my studies I'm currently in the process of writing my dissertation on the topic of:
‘User experience on a match day: Should safe standing be reintroduced back into football’
The aim of this thread is just to create a talking point, I really need as many views, opinions, anything that I can get stuck into.
I know that the NSL has worked hard to create a better atmosphere at the ground, to help improve the experience for the fan and ultimately help the team vocally.
Would you like to see safe standing implemented at town in some form one day?
Cheers.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Feb 9, 2015 15:05:30 GMT 1
Without doubt yes.
Don't know what your methodology is but if you did a comparative study of the UK and Germany and interviewed people you'd find a correlation between positive match day experience and standing terraces in no time.
Don't wish to hijack your thread but I'd like to put it to the NSL lot that we should do some action on safe standing (i.e a banner) in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 15:50:37 GMT 1
English football needs safe standing. I've read a million articles and not once have I seen a valid reason as to why we don't.
The NSL are fully supportive of any safe standing campaign. 95% of those that go in the NSL stand. I stand at every away game and it's more dangerous to stand behind a plastic seat than a T bar.
The NSL is completely run and organised by the fans who go in there and without asking I know they all would support safe standing.
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Post by detox on Feb 9, 2015 17:35:34 GMT 1
The FSF are leading on safe standing www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-standing/ According to their website Town are not supporting the campaign and have not asked for a trial of the 'equipment' that is available from the FSF. There doesn't seem to be much recent news but it would require a change in the ground regs. Formalised standing would simply recognise the fact that at most stadiums fans seem to be standing anyway....so it's all a bit of a farce really...because railed areas would be infinately safer than what is going on at the moment, and yet the argument is still, is it safe ? |
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Post by benmsmith4 on Feb 9, 2015 17:39:30 GMT 1
As much as I support their struggle, the Hillsborough families group and their opposition to safe standing make it all but impossible to have a reasoned debate about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 17:54:48 GMT 1
As much as I support their struggle, the Hillsborough families group and their opposition to safe standing make it all but impossible to have a reasoned debate about it. Never a truer word spoken. Listed to Mickey Quinn on the radio and a caller said to him 'mickey, do Liverpool fans stand in the KOP and away games?' Like a politician, he couldn't answer the question. |
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Post by Cole on Feb 9, 2015 18:11:00 GMT 1
Definitely. In the NSL near enough everyone stands anyway. German's have the right idea.
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Post by scoffsablue on Feb 9, 2015 19:06:10 GMT 1
Fellow Terriers, I am a fourth year student at Nottingham Trent University and a life long town fan. As part of my studies I'm currently in the process of writing my dissertation on the topic of: ‘User experience on a match day: Should safe standing be reintroduced back into football’ The aim of this thread is just to create a talking point, I really need as many views, opinions, anything that I can get stuck into. I know that the NSL has worked hard to create a better atmosphere at the ground, to help improve the experience for the fan and ultimately help the team vocally. Would you like to see safe standing implemented at town in some form one day? Cheers. The NSL support the safe standing campaign and this item has previously been on the ATT agenda and i will bring it up again at the next meeting 05/03/15 |
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Post by Terriers R Us on Feb 9, 2015 19:51:31 GMT 1
Can I ask, and I don't know if any of you have kids, but would you feel safe taking them into these areas, and do you think they would benefit from standing areas?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 21:24:35 GMT 1
100% yes on both counts
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 21:24:57 GMT 1
Three counts even.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 21:27:00 GMT 1
Can I ask, and I don't know if any of you have kids, but would you feel safe taking them into these areas, and do you think they would benefit from standing areas? They would be safer in a safe standing terrace than a seated one with people stood in. Nobody since hillsborough has given a valid reason as to why we can no longer have standing terracing. |
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Post by Terriers R Us on Feb 9, 2015 22:06:54 GMT 1
Can I ask, and I don't know if any of you have kids, but would you feel safe taking them into these areas, and do you think they would benefit from standing areas? They would be safer in a safe standing terrace than a seated one with people stood in. Nobody since hillsborough has given a valid reason as to why we can no longer have standing terracing. I am pro standing myself, I'm just trying to gain balanced points of view for anyone that may have some issues. Something that comes up a fair amount when I ask people about the subject, is they'd be worried that their child wouldn't be able to see the game because of those in front. Similarly for the elderly who find it difficult to stand for longer periods. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 22:10:01 GMT 1
They would be safer in a safe standing terrace than a seated one with people stood in. Nobody since hillsborough has given a valid reason as to why we can no longer have standing terracing. I am pro standing myself, I'm just trying to gain balanced points of view for anyone that may have some issues. Something that comes up a fair amount when I ask people about the subject, is they'd be worried that their child wouldn't be able to see the game because of those in front. Similarly for the elderly who find it difficult to stand for longer periods. Not having a go at you, sorry If it and across like that. Kids can stand at the front and elderly can sit in other stands. |
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Post by Terriers R Us on Feb 9, 2015 22:58:57 GMT 1
Nah don't worry  just trying to get my point across that's all, others might not see things from the same point of view. |
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Post by benmsmith4 on Feb 9, 2015 23:42:23 GMT 1
Must admit my only doubt was the issue of disabled access, that was until I saw the way they combined great disabled areas and standing terraces. A stadium needs to cater for everyone.
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Post by andy112 on Feb 10, 2015 13:21:43 GMT 1
Something that comes up a fair amount when I ask people about the subject, is they'd be worried that their child wouldn't be able to see the game because of those in front. Similarly for the elderly who find it difficult to stand for longer periods. I don't think anyone is asking for a return to all-standing stadiums, so there will always be seated facilities for the elderly. Likewise you could still have an all-seater family stand. all the petitions and debates I've read on the subject have been asking for a standing section to simply give people the choice. And to that, I've yet to see a sensible argument against. |
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Post by benmsmith4 on Feb 10, 2015 13:50:15 GMT 1
Something that comes up a fair amount when I ask people about the subject, is they'd be worried that their child wouldn't be able to see the game because of those in front. Similarly for the elderly who find it difficult to stand for longer periods. I don't think anyone is asking for a return to all-standing stadiums, so there will always be seated facilities for the elderly. Likewise you could still have an all-seater family stand. all the petitions and debates I've read on the subject have been asking for a standing section to simply give people the choice. And to that, I've yet to see a sensible argument against. Think the general consensus is 10% of capacity to be made standing. So that could mean the FML or half the South Stand in our case. |
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Post by benmsmith4 on Feb 15, 2015 23:53:57 GMT 1
Think it'd be good to invite the Safe Standing Roadshow to the JSS. All they ask is that club officials and the media be present and they will bring prototype rail seats. I know some people on this board have those sorts of connections. Good publicity for the club, the safe standing cause and the NSL. www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk |
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Post by Cole on Feb 16, 2015 12:11:56 GMT 1
Man City have a legalise safe standing banner that is traveling around the country to various supporter groups.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Feb 16, 2015 12:37:12 GMT 1
Man City have a legalise safe standing banner that is traveling around the country to various supporter groups. Should make our own Cole, as has been said above given the structure of the FML we could be one of the first to introduce it if it is legalised. Edit: have enquired about borrowing it and they got back to me with this: @1894group_MCFC Hi, we have a supporters group up in Huddersfield (@northstandloyal), how would we go about borrowing your banner? 1894 Group_MCFC ?@1894group_MCFC 1m1 minute ago benmsmith4 @northstandloyal notice you are at sheff wed early april. It has various dates lined up in march including wembley 27th march.. 1894 Group_MCFC ?@1894group_MCFC 1m1 minute ago benmsmith4 @northstandloyal but we'll sort something out for april.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 15:15:20 GMT 1
Will get NSL twitter to contact them to arrange a date.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Feb 16, 2015 15:27:26 GMT 1
Will get NSL twitter to contact them to arrange a date. Cheers. Do you think there'd be a backlash if we did it at Hillsborough? I personally don't see any reason why not but those who wrongly equate standing to the disaster might see it as insensitive? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 15:50:53 GMT 1
Will get NSL twitter to contact them to arrange a date. Cheers. Do you think there'd be a backlash if we did it at Hillsborough? I personally don't see any reason why not but those who wrongly equate standing to the disaster might see it as insensitive? I personally wouldn't want to show it then, i don't connect the two but some people will and say it's distasteful. It's not worth getting caught up in a hillsborough debate. I'd rather we showed it at home. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 16:06:21 GMT 1
Cheers. Do you think there'd be a backlash if we did it at Hillsborough? I personally don't see any reason why not but those who wrongly equate standing to the disaster might see it as insensitive? I personally wouldn't want to show it then, i don't connect the two but some people will and say it's distasteful. It's not worth getting caught up in a hillsborough debate. I'd rather we showed it at home. Definitely wouldn't show it at Hillsborough, it's an issue for us in our ground, what happens at wednesday is up to them, but we we would get widely criticised for showing a safe standing banner in that particular stand. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 16:10:08 GMT 1
Also, this thread needs to be on the main board, it won't get the viewing and contribution it deserves on the NSL sub board.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 16:10:55 GMT 1
I personally wouldn't want to show it then, i don't connect the two but some people will and say it's distasteful. It's not worth getting caught up in a hillsborough debate. I'd rather we showed it at home. Definitely wouldn't show it at Hillsborough, it's an issue for us in our ground, what happens at wednesday is up to them, but we we would get widely criticised for showing a safe standing banner in that particular stand. I agree. There is no way on this planet that that banner will be shown at hillsborough by us. Let's show it at home. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 16:11:56 GMT 1
Can you move this on the main board @sheriffofhudds?
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Post by benmsmith4 on Feb 16, 2015 16:25:26 GMT 1
I personally wouldn't want to show it then, i don't connect the two but some people will and say it's distasteful. It's not worth getting caught up in a hillsborough debate. I'd rather we showed it at home. Definitely wouldn't show it at Hillsborough, it's an issue for us in our ground, what happens at wednesday is up to them, but we we would get widely criticised for showing a safe standing banner in that particular stand. Yeah I wonder if that was in 1894's thinking when they suggested it. I personally want it at our ground to promote the FML as a future standing area. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 16, 2015 17:07:43 GMT 1
you may well have to wait until the Hillsborough lobby don't have the weight behind them that they have now..
too many tragedies in football grounds where people were standing..
put forward whatever new thinking you have it will not outweigh the past, at the moment..
The fact we haven't had another big problem inside a football ground since seats came in will be a big argument to keep the status quo, the ins and outs and changes in general behaviour at football would pale when the previous disasters are re-run during any meaningful discussions on the subject..
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just trying to get my point across that's all, others might not see things from the same point of view.