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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 14:41:48 GMT 1
But why does this person to 'talk to' have to be a nan of god? As said previously couldn't the club just appoint a counsellor. The last person I would talk to is a man of god about anything, believe me and I deffo wouldn't be telling him my inner most problems. I don't think he claims to be god's grandma.
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Post by hartyhtfc on Feb 27, 2015 14:55:59 GMT 1
I remember FourFourTwo magazine did an article on Club Chaplains a few months back, and Powell was interviewed as a major advocate of having them. I'll try and find it and post a picture.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 27, 2015 14:56:37 GMT 1
What is it with God botherers and wearing glasses? I don't know that stats but there seems to be a direct correlation between believing in ancient fairy stories and poor eyesight. Whatever the national average is , it must be 3 times that amongst religious types.
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Post by ritchie on Feb 27, 2015 15:06:50 GMT 1
Struggling to see the problem here. We might have players who are religious and may have requested a club chaplain. Also young men are renowned for not talking about their problems. If this chap can help with that then surely it's a god thing, I'm pretty sure he won't have you reciting the Lord's Prayer come 2.55 on a Saturday afternoon. Could they not go to the local church like most folk? As already mentioned, why not a trained counsellor / psychologist / motivator type? Get blackie back!!
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Post by AndySk on Feb 27, 2015 15:10:24 GMT 1
But why does this person to 'talk to' have to be a nan of god? As said previously couldn't the club just appoint a counsellor. The last person I would talk to is a man of god about anything, believe me and I deffo wouldn't be telling him my inner most problems. Nan of God? Sounds like the start to a Monty Python sketch
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 27, 2015 15:10:52 GMT 1
Struggling to see the problem here. We might have players who are religious and may have requested a club chaplain. Also young men are renowned for not talking about their problems. If this chap can help with that then surely it's a god thing, I'm pretty sure he won't have you reciting the Lord's Prayer come 2.55 on a Saturday afternoon. Could they not go to the local church like most folk? As already mentioned, why not a trained counsellor / psychologist / motivator type? Get blackie back!! They are trained. www.sportschaplaincy.org.uk Can't see what the fuss is about - this has been a pretty standard practice for decades (and Town have had plenty of club chaplains in the past)
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Post by ritchie on Feb 27, 2015 15:12:49 GMT 1
Could they not go to the local church like most folk? As already mentioned, why not a trained counsellor / psychologist / motivator type? Get blackie back!! They are trained. www.sportschaplaincy.org.uk Can't see what the fuss is about - this has been a pretty standard practice for decades (and Town have had plenty of club chaplains in the past) Trained in bullshit
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Post by ritchie on Feb 27, 2015 15:14:43 GMT 1
He'll probably take the heat off ross wilson. How long are we giving him before datm decide he's at fault for our form?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 15:15:35 GMT 1
I don't see it as a religious thing. I see it as somebody to just have 10 minutes with, privately, to get things off your chest.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 27, 2015 15:18:01 GMT 1
They are trained. www.sportschaplaincy.org.uk Can't see what the fuss is about - this has been a pretty standard practice for decades (and Town have had plenty of club chaplains in the past) Trained in bullshit The religion bit, I concur
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Post by jasonhand on Feb 27, 2015 15:39:11 GMT 1
What is it with God botherers and wearing glasses? I don't know that stats but there seems to be a direct correlation between believing in ancient fairy stories and poor eyesight. Whatever the national average is , it must be 3 times that amongst religious types. To much wanking'. Can I say that!!?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 15:41:21 GMT 1
Cannot stand organised religion, its total bullshit, if there is anyone on here who follows a religion, then apologies, you're entitled to your faith but it ain't for me. Do we really need a club Chaplin, what purpose does it serve? If you want someone to confide in, confide in your bezzy. As a follower of Jesus Christ, I too cannot stand organised religion (as He couldn't stand the hypocrisy of the Pharisees). Being made in the image of God, we are body, soul and spirit. If you disregard the latter, then you've missed the whole point of life, which is to walk in tandem with your Creator. A decent chaplain can help to get life in perspective when the going gets tough. Whilst I absolutely love sport, including following Town passionately, football comes way down the list of importance in the overall order of things. Says you. Patronising or what?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 15:44:38 GMT 1
I don't see it as a religious thing. I see it as somebody to just have 10 minutes with, privately, to get things off your chest. Don't care what you say Ben, a man of god will have an underlying agenda, no matter what they say otherwise.
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Feb 27, 2015 15:56:25 GMT 1
As a follower of Jesus Christ, I too cannot stand organised religion (as He couldn't stand the hypocrisy of the Pharisees). Being made in the image of God, we are body, soul and spirit. If you disregard the latter, then you've missed the whole point of life, which is to walk in tandem with your Creator. A decent chaplain can help to get life in perspective when the going gets tough. Whilst I absolutely love sport, including following Town passionately, football comes way down the list of importance in the overall order of things. Says you. Patronising or what? Why the bold font!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 16:02:45 GMT 1
I don't see it as a religious thing. I see it as somebody to just have 10 minutes with, privately, to get things off your chest. Don't care what you say Ben, a man of god will have an underlying agenda, no matter what they say otherwise. Never did with me. Just listened.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 16:03:25 GMT 1
Says you. Patronising or what? Why the bold font! To emphasise the bit to which I was referring, possibly?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 16:16:59 GMT 1
Can anyone please explain what you need to be a chaplin, because as long as i can remember Dudley Martin was a police officer, most Kirkheatoners will know him
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Feb 27, 2015 16:42:10 GMT 1
To emphasise the bit to which I was referring, possibly? Obviously didn't spot the Church reference? I'll take a pew.
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Post by NicMcTerrier on Feb 27, 2015 16:45:42 GMT 1
Been tossing around in my mind whether or not to get involved in this thread as no doubt I will open myself up to abuse but it's so interesting to see what views people have.
So to come clean, I'm a prison chaplain. 90% of my time is taken up in pastoral support : listening, trying to boost self esteem, encouraging, pointing out the positive side of things, offering practical support etc. It's just being alongside someone and letting them know you care about them as an individual. Can they get that support from someone else? yes but family and friends can sometimes be too close to share and unlike a chaplain, might have an agenda. The point is that they are outside of the situation. Could they get this from a counsellor? Probably not - my understanding is that a counsellor can be useful if you have a particular problem to overcome (eg abuse ) but they are not there for the general low level talking it through sort of thing. (Any counsellors out there please correct me if I've got that wrong). The other 10% of my time is taken up with more direct religion stuff, bereavement, prayers etc but is NEVER done without the consent of the other person. It is absolutely forbidden to attempt to make converts.
The chaplain meets them wherever they are with their own faith.There is no agenda.
There are, however, a good many people who claim to be religious who give chaplains and any other person of faith a bad name. These people make me annoyed as much as you. I don't answer for them.
In today's world where we are seeing more and more the need to address mental health issues I think this is a really positive step. In fact it did cross my mind to email the club to suggest it some time ago. I would have liked to have offered my own services but unfortunately live too far away. I'm sure in time our players and staff will see the benefits of this move.
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Post by andy112 on Feb 27, 2015 16:49:00 GMT 1
The last person I would talk to is a man of god about anything, believe me and I deffo wouldn't be telling him my inner most problems. Why would the last person you speak to be a man of God? What does his belief have to do with his ability to offer counsel? This is what you tend to find more and more these days, is that it's the atheists who have the agenda, immediately sneering, sniggering and insulting those who do have a belief. I happen to be Catholic, that doesn't mean I'm going to ram my belief down your throat if you come within 20 yards of me. In fact, I can categorically say I have never, ever told anyone what they should or shouldn't believe, yet I regularly get told by those without a faith. The club are merely offering a service for the players and staff to use if they need and wish to.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Feb 27, 2015 16:51:26 GMT 1
Can anyone please explain what you need to be a chaplin, because as long as i can remember Dudley Martin was a police officer, most Kirkheatoners will know him He must of been one hell of a good detective to find god
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 27, 2015 16:58:51 GMT 1
NicMcTerrier..
you do answer for all religious professionals..
bit like coppers, people read about a few doing naughty things and just tar them all etc..
Id still like to think there are a few hard working, honest, believing in their policies, politicians out there.. its a tough one but there must be I guess..
nowt wrong with a chaplain, worked with a few who always looked to help in any way they could and gave good advice without any bias of a religious nature if the person they helped didn't have religion..
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 27, 2015 17:29:11 GMT 1
Been tossing around in my mind whether or not to get involved in this thread as no doubt I will open myself up to abuse but it's so interesting to see what views people have. So to come clean, I'm a prison chaplain. 90% of my time is taken up in pastoral support : listening, trying to boost self esteem, encouraging, pointing out the positive side of things, offering practical support etc. It's just being alongside someone and letting them know you care about them as an individual. Can they get that support from someone else? yes but family and friends can sometimes be too close to share and unlike a chaplain, might have an agenda. The point is that they are outside of the situation. Could they get this from a counsellor? Probably not - my understanding is that a counsellor can be useful if you have a particular problem to overcome (eg abuse ) but they are not there for the general low level talking it through sort of thing. (Any counsellors out there please correct me if I've got that wrong). The other 10% of my time is taken up with more direct religion stuff, bereavement, prayers etc but is NEVER done without the consent of the other person. It is absolutely forbidden to attempt to make converts. The chaplain meets them wherever they are with their own faith.There is no agenda. There are, however, a good many people who claim to be religious who give chaplains and any other person of faith a bad name. These people make me annoyed as much as you. I don't answer for them. In today's world where we are seeing more and more the need to address mental health issues I think this is a really positive step. In fact it did cross my mind to email the club to suggest it some time ago. I would have liked to have offered my own services but unfortunately live too far away. I'm sure in time our players and staff will see the benefits of this move. BY FAR the biggest mental health issue in the world today is that people believe in any of the various gods on offer.
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Post by NicMcTerrier on Feb 27, 2015 17:40:21 GMT 1
Been tossing around in my mind whether or not to get involved in this thread as no doubt I will open myself up to abuse but it's so interesting to see what views people have. So to come clean, I'm a prison chaplain. 90% of my time is taken up in pastoral support : listening, trying to boost self esteem, encouraging, pointing out the positive side of things, offering practical support etc. It's just being alongside someone and letting them know you care about them as an individual. Can they get that support from someone else? yes but family and friends can sometimes be too close to share and unlike a chaplain, might have an agenda. The point is that they are outside of the situation. Could they get this from a counsellor? Probably not - my understanding is that a counsellor can be useful if you have a particular problem to overcome (eg abuse ) but they are not there for the general low level talking it through sort of thing. (Any counsellors out there please correct me if I've got that wrong). The other 10% of my time is taken up with more direct religion stuff, bereavement, prayers etc but is NEVER done without the consent of the other person. It is absolutely forbidden to attempt to make converts. The chaplain meets them wherever they are with their own faith.There is no agenda. There are, however, a good many people who claim to be religious who give chaplains and any other person of faith a bad name. These people make me annoyed as much as you. I don't answer for them. In today's world where we are seeing more and more the need to address mental health issues I think this is a really positive step. In fact it did cross my mind to email the club to suggest it some time ago. I would have liked to have offered my own services but unfortunately live too far away. I'm sure in time our players and staff will see the benefits of this move. BY FAR the biggest mental health issue in the world today is that people believe in any of the various gods on offer. Ah the good captain. Unlike you to manipulate an argument onto your own theme.... Opening myself up to some more abuse here but 9 times out of 10 I agree with your posts!!! By the way, I don't wear glasses except for driving and watching football x
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Post by detox on Feb 27, 2015 17:41:59 GMT 1
But I thought Dean was God ??
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Post by Syran on Feb 27, 2015 17:45:06 GMT 1
Just for the record, this is my mates dad and he is one of the nicest blokes you will ever meet.
Also a mean saxophone player.
Good on him.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 27, 2015 18:10:49 GMT 1
BY FAR the biggest mental health issue in the world today is that people believe in any of the various gods on offer. Ah the good captain. Unlike you to manipulate an argument onto your own theme.... Opening myself up to some more abuse here but 9 times out of 10 I agree with your posts!!! By the way, I don't wear glasses except for driving and watching football x I haven't abused you have I ? Didn't mean to If i did in someway. I just found it ironic that a religious person should be bemoaning the worlds mental health issues. Scrap all religion, and the vast bulk of those issues disappears overnight IMO. ( im guessing as a chaplain, that will be one of the 10% you don't agree with! )
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 19:00:43 GMT 1
Been tossing around in my mind whether or not to get involved in this thread as no doubt I will open myself up to abuse but it's so interesting to see what views people have. So to come clean, I'm a prison chaplain. 90% of my time is taken up in pastoral support : listening, trying to boost self esteem, encouraging, pointing out the positive side of things, offering practical support etc. It's just being alongside someone and letting them know you care about them as an individual. Can they get that support from someone else? yes but family and friends can sometimes be too close to share and unlike a chaplain, might have an agenda. The point is that they are outside of the situation. Could they get this from a counsellor? Probably not - my understanding is that a counsellor can be useful if you have a particular problem to overcome (eg abuse ) but they are not there for the general low level talking it through sort of thing. (Any counsellors out there please correct me if I've got that wrong). The other 10% of my time is taken up with more direct religion stuff, bereavement, prayers etc but is NEVER done without the consent of the other person. It is absolutely forbidden to attempt to make converts. The chaplain meets them wherever they are with their own faith.There is no agenda. There are, however, a good many people who claim to be religious who give chaplains and any other person of faith a bad name. These people make me annoyed as much as you. I don't answer for them. In today's world where we are seeing more and more the need to address mental health issues I think this is a really positive step. In fact it did cross my mind to email the club to suggest it some time ago. I would have liked to have offered my own services but unfortunately live too far away. I'm sure in time our players and staff will see the benefits of this move. You are totally wrong about what a counselor deals with. They deal with all sorts, my friend. How do I know? My wife's one.
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Post by NicMcTerrier on Feb 27, 2015 19:08:53 GMT 1
Ah the good captain. Unlike you to manipulate an argument onto your own theme.... Opening myself up to some more abuse here but 9 times out of 10 I agree with your posts!!! By the way, I don't wear glasses except for driving and watching football x I haven't abused you have I ? Didn't mean to If i did in someway. I just found it ironic that a religious person should be bemoaning the worlds mental health issues. Scrap all religion, and the vast bulk of those issues disappears overnight IMO. ( im guessing as a chaplain, that will be one of the 10% you don't agree with! ) No I meant I might get abuse from others for admitting I often agree with you!! I do disagree with you here though. It is a fact that if you have a faith you are less likely to suffer from mental health issues - proper ones that is, not just the fact that you think they are delusional. High rates of suicide in young men and stress related illnesses are what I'm talking about. We are becoming increasingly aware of this problem among sportsmen. I believe that much of that is due to men and to a lesser extent women bottling their feelings up. When things are building up for someone they will often try to run away from it rather than face it. Then you can get knock on problems like drinking - not what we want with our players. A chaplain can act as a release valve. It has very little to do with religion but knowing the chaplain has their own faith can open things up somehow.
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Post by NicMcTerrier on Feb 27, 2015 19:11:14 GMT 1
Been tossing around in my mind whether or not to get involved in this thread as no doubt I will open myself up to abuse but it's so interesting to see what views people have. So to come clean, I'm a prison chaplain. 90% of my time is taken up in pastoral support : listening, trying to boost self esteem, encouraging, pointing out the positive side of things, offering practical support etc. It's just being alongside someone and letting them know you care about them as an individual. Can they get that support from someone else? yes but family and friends can sometimes be too close to share and unlike a chaplain, might have an agenda. The point is that they are outside of the situation. Could they get this from a counsellor? Probably not - my understanding is that a counsellor can be useful if you have a particular problem to overcome (eg abuse ) but they are not there for the general low level talking it through sort of thing. (Any counsellors out there please correct me if I've got that wrong). The other 10% of my time is taken up with more direct religion stuff, bereavement, prayers etc but is NEVER done without the consent of the other person. It is absolutely forbidden to attempt to make converts. The chaplain meets them wherever they are with their own faith.There is no agenda. There are, however, a good many people who claim to be religious who give chaplains and any other person of faith a bad name. These people make me annoyed as much as you. I don't answer for them. In today's world where we are seeing more and more the need to address mental health issues I think this is a really positive step. In fact it did cross my mind to email the club to suggest it some time ago. I would have liked to have offered my own services but unfortunately live too far away. I'm sure in time our players and staff will see the benefits of this move. You are totally wrong about what a counselor deals with. They deal with all sorts, my friend. How do I know? My wife's one. Fine thanks. Happy to be corrected on that.
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