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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 19:28:53 GMT 1
Ah the good captain. Unlike you to manipulate an argument onto your own theme.... Opening myself up to some more abuse here but 9 times out of 10 I agree with your posts!!! By the way, I don't wear glasses except for driving and watching football x I haven't abused you have I ? Didn't mean to If i did in someway. I just found it ironic that a religious person should be bemoaning the worlds mental health issues. Scrap all religion, and the vast bulk of those issues disappears overnight IMO.
( im guessing as a chaplain, that will be one of the 10% you don't agree with! ;) ) I think you're notion of religion is that all religious people are fundamentalists Captain. A minority are, but for the vast majority of people, religion brings good things into their lives. Why deprive them of that?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 27, 2015 19:34:45 GMT 1
What is it with God botherers and wearing glasses? I don't know that stats but there seems to be a direct correlation between believing in ancient fairy stories and poor eyesight. Whatever the national average is , it must be 3 times that amongst religious types. Don't contact lenses skew the statistics?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 27, 2015 20:02:42 GMT 1
Been thinking, if this chaplain fella can get us some divine intervention on the pitch it might not be a bad thing.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Feb 27, 2015 20:21:30 GMT 1
Once again people are quick to see the negative side of things because religion is slightly linked.
He's simply being brought in to support the players and staff around the club. That can only be a good thing, he's not going to ambush you at half time with a surprise sermon.
Players can go to someone who is in-house and talk about whatever is troubling them personally and I'm sure he'll do his best to support them. Remember Hammill? That's the kind of situation/player this guy might be able to help with or even avoid in the first place.
I really don't see what the problem is, especially if Powell is in support of it and Dean/The Board have approved of hiring him. The club should try to support players as much as possible and help them feel happier here so that we might all benefit from seeing them perform better.
I hope they also start bringing in some financial advisors, translators, etc. so that we can be an even more attractive option for all players regardless of background.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 27, 2015 20:24:47 GMT 1
Once again people are quick to see the negative side of things because religion is slightly linked. He's simply being brought in to support the players and staff around the club. That can only be a good thing, he's not going to ambush you at half time with a surprise sermon. Players can go to someone who is in-house and talk about whatever is troubling them personally and I'm sure he'll do his best to support them. Remember Hammill? That's the kind of situation/player this guy might be able to help with or even avoid in the first place. I really don't see what the problem is, especially if Powell is in support of it and Dean/The Board have approved of hiring him. The club should try to support players as much as possible and help them feel happier here so that we might all benefit from seeing them perform better. I hope they also start bringing in some financial advisors, translators, etc. so that we can be an even more attractive option for all players regardless of background. Yes but why does it gave to be a chaplain, why does it have to have a religious angle?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 20:28:16 GMT 1
Once again people are quick to see the negative side of things because religion is slightly linked. He's simply being brought in to support the players and staff around the club. That can only be a good thing, he's not going to ambush you at half time with a surprise sermon. Players can go to someone who is in-house and talk about whatever is troubling them personally and I'm sure he'll do his best to support them. Remember Hammill? That's the kind of situation/player this guy might be able to help with or even avoid in the first place. I really don't see what the problem is, especially if Powell is in support of it and Dean/The Board have approved of hiring him. The club should try to support players as much as possible and help them feel happier here so that we might all benefit from seeing them perform better. I hope they also start bringing in some financial advisors, translators, etc. so that we can be an even more attractive option for all players regardless of background. Yes but why does it gave to be a chaplain, why does it have to have a religious angle? Why not. He's not a witchdoctor who will put a spell on anybody that doesn't sign up for a life of prayers and believing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 20:56:34 GMT 1
We'll be getting the physios to cauterise wounds and having the players walk around with a pocket full of posies to ward off flu next.
Mind you, a good Sunday morning flagellation after a bad result could surely get some more money in the coffers with fans paying to watch.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 27, 2015 21:35:39 GMT 1
I haven't abused you have I ? Didn't mean to If i did in someway. I just found it ironic that a religious person should be bemoaning the worlds mental health issues. Scrap all religion, and the vast bulk of those issues disappears overnight IMO.
( im guessing as a chaplain, that will be one of the 10% you don't agree with! ) I think you're notion of religion is that all religious people are fundamentalists Captain. A minority are, but for the vast majority of people, religion brings good things into their lives. Why deprive them of that? No, not fundamentalists, but I do think anyone who actually believes in god/religion has a mental health issue. If an adult believed in pixies, santa claus, unicorns etc everyone would think they had a mental health issue. Don't see any difference.
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Post by terrierpark on Feb 27, 2015 22:09:29 GMT 1
Why would anyone who had faith be classed as having a mental health issue? I am no bible basher but i believe in God and class myself a Christian, and i find it strange that in todays society the same people who believe in and hunt ghosts, believe in demons and evil spirits, cannot by the same token believe in God.
Over the years i think there was a higher risk of developing a mental health issue keeping the faith with Town than any religion!
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 27, 2015 22:28:24 GMT 1
Been thinking, if this chaplain fella can get us some divine intervention on the pitch it might not be a bad thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 22:58:45 GMT 1
Why would anyone who had faith be classed as having a mental health issue? I am no bible basher but i believe in God and class myself a Christian, and i find it strange that in todays society the same people who believe in and hunt ghosts, believe in demons and evil spirits, cannot by the same token believe in God. Over the years i think there was a higher risk of developing a mental health issue keeping the faith with Town than any religion! Do you think believing in all powerful creature who lives in the sky, without any evidence to support it, is normal behaviour? It's equally as mad as believing in ghosts, demons and evil spirits - I can't see any difference. None of that is to say the chaplain will not be useful to people at the club.
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Post by terrierng on Feb 27, 2015 23:53:47 GMT 1
Why would anyone who had faith be classed as having a mental health issue? I am no bible basher but i believe in God and class myself a Christian, and i find it strange that in todays society the same people who believe in and hunt ghosts, believe in demons and evil spirits, cannot by the same token believe in God. Over the years i think there was a higher risk of developing a mental health issue keeping the faith with Town than any religion! Do you think believing in all powerful creature who lives in the sky, without any evidence to support it, is normal behaviour? It's equally as mad as believing in ghosts, demons and evil spirits - I can't see any difference. None of that is to say the chaplain will not be useful to people at the club. Have you any evidence that a god doesn't exist?have you seen a ghost? I believe in god and ghosts have i got mental health issues? Who are you or anyone else to judge me?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 0:02:12 GMT 1
Do you think believing in all powerful creature who lives in the sky, without any evidence to support it, is normal behaviour? It's equally as mad as believing in ghosts, demons and evil spirits - I can't see any difference. None of that is to say the chaplain will not be useful to people at the club. Have you any evidence that a god doesn't exist?have you seen a ghost? I believe in god and ghosts have i got mental health issues? Who are you or anyone else to judge me?Shouldn't that be what you will say to your god on the big day?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 0:21:29 GMT 1
Do you think believing in all powerful creature who lives in the sky, without any evidence to support it, is normal behaviour? It's equally as mad as believing in ghosts, demons and evil spirits - I can't see any difference. None of that is to say the chaplain will not be useful to people at the club. Have you any evidence that a god doesn't exist?have you seen a ghost? I believe in god and ghosts have i got mental health issues? Who are you or anyone else to judge me? The onus of proof isn't on me, you can't prove a negative. Do you also believe in leprechauns? I just can't do entirely blind faith. How do you manage it?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 28, 2015 0:27:39 GMT 1
Do you think believing in all powerful creature who lives in the sky, without any evidence to support it, is normal behaviour? It's equally as mad as believing in ghosts, demons and evil spirits - I can't see any difference. None of that is to say the chaplain will not be useful to people at the club. Have you any evidence that a god doesn't exist?have you seen a ghost? I believe in god and ghosts have i got mental health issues? Who are you or anyone else to judge me? Asking if he has any evidence that god doesn't exist, is like asking if he has any evidence that there isn't a star in the next galaxy that is entirely made of custard! How can he have evidence that something doesn't exist?? Isn't the emphasis with believers to have evidence that God DOES exist? And in 1000s of years of trying, they have failed miserably to come up with even a scrap of it. Religion has always been a bizarre notion to me. How otherwise intelligent people in this day and age can disregard science, knowledge and logic and actually believe in things that are clearly just primitive man's explanation for things and a tool for creating order in early civilisations. It is a mental health issue IMO, it has to be, just in the same way Id think it was if you believed in fairies. But each to their own and all that but it shouldn't be taught in school or be forced on daily life in any way. Im all for HTFC having a councillor if theres a need for it. The religious aspect of him is irrelevant and meaningless to me ,as I wish it was for everyone. But I accept it isn't for the vast majority of people in this world.
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Post by terrierng on Feb 28, 2015 9:11:17 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 9:29:25 GMT 1
Have you any evidence that a god doesn't exist?have you seen a ghost? I believe in god and ghosts have i got mental health issues? Who are you or anyone else to judge me? Asking if he has any evidence that god doesn't exist, is like asking if he has any evidence that there isn't a star in the next galaxy that is entirely made of custard! How can he have evidence that something doesn't exist?? Isn't the emphasis with believers to have evidence that God DOES exist? And in 1000s of years of trying, they have failed miserably to come up with even a scrap of it. Religion has always been a bizarre notion to me. How otherwise intelligent people in this day and age can disregard science, knowledge and logic and actually believe in things that are clearly just primitive man's explanation for things and a tool for creating order in early civilisations. It is a mental health issue IMO, it has to be, just in the same way Id think it was if you believed in fairies. But each to their own and all that but it shouldn't be taught in school or be forced on daily life in any way.
Im all for HTFC having a councillor if theres a need for it. The religious aspect of him is irrelevant and meaningless to me ,as I wish it was for everyone. But I accept it isn't for the vast majority of people in this world. See this is where you're true zealot shines through captain. As I've said, I'm not a religious man, I was christened, I went to Sunday School. I go to church now for weddings, funerals, and the odd christening for those friends that still want to have their children baptised. But to say religion should not be taught? Religion is part of the history of every being on this planet, the Church is responsible and connected to many things that you see in our lives today. It's the same for any religion. You can't just wipe it from history because you think its a "fairy tale". Cobbled streets, weavers cottages, Richard the third, Huddersfield Town winning the league 3 times in a row, all part of history, should we not educate folk about these things as well. I was taught religion as a kid, I haven't been compelled to grow up as regular sunday morning worshipper, I just made my own mind up when I was old enough to do so, same as everybody else. You can't deprive people of the right to believe in what they want mate, enforcing that is as bad as enforcing religion on people, and we have seen how some misguided idiots use that to manipulate young lads and lasses into jihads who are prepared to do barbaric acts in the name of a god. Don't kid yourself that there wouldn't be any terrorists if there was no religion either, these people are just bad folk with a misguided appetite within to kill people, the religion veil just gives them a banner to operate under. If they weren't doing it in the name of allah, they'd be doing in the name of something else, make no mistake.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 28, 2015 9:33:48 GMT 1
Thora Hird would be spinning in her Stannah
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 9:33:50 GMT 1
I think you're notion of religion is that all religious people are fundamentalists Captain. A minority are, but for the vast majority of people, religion brings good things into their lives. Why deprive them of that? No, not fundamentalists, but I do think anyone who actually believes in god/religion has a mental health issue. If an adult believed in pixies, santa claus, unicorns etc everyone would think they had a mental health issue. Don't see any difference. I don't believe in a God as described by any Religious organisation on this Planet, but at the same time I think it would be daft to rule out the existence of some form of 'higher being', absolutely anything is possible. For all our lives the Universe has been the biggest thing we could possibly comprehend, and most believe it to be infinite, however, there is now strong evidence to suggest that our Universe actually has Borders, and that we are actually part of a 'multiverse'. When discoveries are made that change even the most fundamental beliefs of even the most scientific minds, I think we would be daft to rule out the existence of some of form of 'God'. If we (ever) truly 'crack' Quantum Physics, it's going to open the floodgates to whole new world of endless possibilities, and thing that could smash thousands of years of Human Scientific understanding.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Feb 28, 2015 9:50:30 GMT 1
Have you any evidence that a god doesn't exist?have you seen a ghost? I believe in god and ghosts have i got mental health issues? Who are you or anyone else to judge me? Asking if he has any evidence that god doesn't exist, is like asking if he has any evidence that there isn't a star in the next galaxy that is entirely made of custard! How can he have evidence that something doesn't exist?? Isn't the emphasis with believers to have evidence that God DOES exist? And in 1000s of years of trying, they have failed miserably to come up with even a scrap of it. Religion has always been a bizarre notion to me. How otherwise intelligent people in this day and age can disregard science, knowledge and logic and actually believe in things that are clearly just primitive man's explanation for things and a tool for creating order in early civilisations. It is a mental health issue IMO, it has to be, just in the same way Id think it was if you believed in fairies. But each to their own and all that but it shouldn't be taught in school or be forced on daily life in any way. Im all for HTFC having a councillor if theres a need for it. The religious aspect of him is irrelevant and meaningless to me ,as I wish it was for everyone. But I accept it isn't for the vast majority of people in this world. Isn't it funny how non-religious people who moan about religious people being intolerant, prejudiced, and forcing their religious beliefs down everyone else's throats are often themselves intolerant and prejudiced towards religious people, and go round trying to force their non-religion onto others. You only need to refer to the recent black and blue/white and gold dress debate to see how people see things differently depending on how their mind works and their perception of things. And that's just a damn dress - creation, the meaning of life, why are we here type questions are just a tad bit more complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 10:46:21 GMT 1
Asking if he has any evidence that god doesn't exist, is like asking if he has any evidence that there isn't a star in the next galaxy that is entirely made of custard! How can he have evidence that something doesn't exist?? Isn't the emphasis with believers to have evidence that God DOES exist? And in 1000s of years of trying, they have failed miserably to come up with even a scrap of it. Religion has always been a bizarre notion to me. How otherwise intelligent people in this day and age can disregard science, knowledge and logic and actually believe in things that are clearly just primitive man's explanation for things and a tool for creating order in early civilisations. It is a mental health issue IMO, it has to be, just in the same way Id think it was if you believed in fairies. But each to their own and all that but it shouldn't be taught in school or be forced on daily life in any way.
Im all for HTFC having a councillor if theres a need for it. The religious aspect of him is irrelevant and meaningless to me ,as I wish it was for everyone. But I accept it isn't for the vast majority of people in this world. See this is where you're true zealot shines through captain. As I've said, I'm not a religious man, I was christened, I went to Sunday School. I go to church now for weddings, funerals, and the odd christening for those friends that still want to have their children baptised. But to say religion should not be taught? Religion is part of the history of every being on this planet, the Church is responsible and connected to many things that you see in our lives today. It's the same for any religion. You can't just wipe it from history because you think its a "fairy tale". Cobbled streets, weavers cottages, Richard the third, Huddersfield Town winning the league 3 times in a row, all part of history, should we not educate folk about these things as well. I was taught religion as a kid, I haven't been compelled to grow up as regular sunday morning worshipper, I just made my own mind up when I was old enough to do so, same as everybody else. You can't deprive people of the right to believe in what they want mate, enforcing that is as bad as enforcing religion on people, and we have seen how some misguided idiots use that to manipulate young lads and lasses into jihads who are prepared to do barbaric acts in the name of a god. Don't kid yourself that there wouldn't be any terrorists if there was no religion either, these people are just bad folk with a misguided appetite within to kill people, the religion veil just gives them a banner to operate under. If they weren't doing it in the name of allah, they'd be doing in the name of something else, make no mistake. Of course religious education should be taught in schools Mel, how else are we meant to understand how all religions work and what makes the world go round? However, I disagree with you entirely about allowing religious worsh ip in state schools. Shouldn't religion be something you choose to believe in when you are old enough to understand it rather than it being forced upon you in school assemblies, nativity's, harvest festivals etc from the age of dot when you have no ability to decipher whether it is good or bad for you? It's indoctrination of little minds - and it is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 11:12:50 GMT 1
I remember Mick Buxton calling in a Gypsy to lift a curse over the old Leeds Road after we failed to score in a number of consecutive games, despite playing well.
Anyone else remember this, or is my imagination running away with me?
You've heard of Route 1 football ... now we have a Route 1 to the top man. Perhaps he can help lift the curse of shit referees.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 28, 2015 11:19:15 GMT 1
Asking if he has any evidence that god doesn't exist, is like asking if he has any evidence that there isn't a star in the next galaxy that is entirely made of custard! How can he have evidence that something doesn't exist?? Isn't the emphasis with believers to have evidence that God DOES exist? And in 1000s of years of trying, they have failed miserably to come up with even a scrap of it. Religion has always been a bizarre notion to me. How otherwise intelligent people in this day and age can disregard science, knowledge and logic and actually believe in things that are clearly just primitive man's explanation for things and a tool for creating order in early civilisations. It is a mental health issue IMO, it has to be, just in the same way Id think it was if you believed in fairies. But each to their own and all that but it shouldn't be taught in school or be forced on daily life in any way.
Im all for HTFC having a councillor if theres a need for it. The religious aspect of him is irrelevant and meaningless to me ,as I wish it was for everyone. But I accept it isn't for the vast majority of people in this world. See this is where you're true zealot shines through captain. As I've said, I'm not a religious man, I was christened, I went to Sunday School. I go to church now for weddings, funerals, and the odd christening for those friends that still want to have their children baptised. But to say religion should not be taught? Religion is part of the history of every being on this planet, the Church is responsible and connected to many things that you see in our lives today. It's the same for any religion. You can't just wipe it from history because you think its a "fairy tale". Cobbled streets, weavers cottages, Richard the third, Huddersfield Town winning the league 3 times in a row, all part of history, should we not educate folk about these things as well. I was taught religion as a kid, I haven't been compelled to grow up as regular sunday morning worshipper, I just made my own mind up when I was old enough to do so, same as everybody else. You can't deprive people of the right to believe in what they want mate, enforcing that is as bad as enforcing religion on people, and we have seen how some misguided idiots use that to manipulate young lads and lasses into jihads who are prepared to do barbaric acts in the name of a god. Don't kid yourself that there wouldn't be any terrorists if there was no religion either, these people are just bad folk with a misguided appetite within to kill people, the religion veil just gives them a banner to operate under. If they weren't doing it in the name of allah, they'd be doing in the name of something else, make no mistake. Ok fair point, perhaps i worded that wrong. Religion has played a huge part in history so as part of studies it makes sense to teach it in a historical sense- ie this is what they believed in and this is what they did because of it. Think what i meant was it shouldn't be PREACHED in schools- ie there shouldn't be any religious schools. If anyone wants their child to be religious- take him to church/mosque etc. Schools should be for learning- science, logic , knowledge etc, not for filling kids heads with made up mumbo-jumbo. And i think you're very wrong about terrorists. Obviously thered still be the odd groups fighting on other issues such as territory, but the vast majority of terrorism that goes in is due to religion. Without it these people wouldn't be so screwed in the head or have the motive they feel to do those acts.
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Post by NicMcTerrier on Feb 28, 2015 11:24:44 GMT 1
Have you any evidence that a god doesn't exist?have you seen a ghost? I believe in god and ghosts have i got mental health issues? Who are you or anyone else to judge me? Asking if he has any evidence that god doesn't exist, is like asking if he has any evidence that there isn't a star in the next galaxy that is entirely made of custard! How can he have evidence that something doesn't exist?? Isn't the emphasis with believers to have evidence that God DOES exist? And in 1000s of years of trying, they have failed miserably to come up with even a scrap of it. Religion has always been a bizarre notion to me. How otherwise intelligent people in this day and age can disregard science, knowledge and logic and actually believe in things that are clearly just primitive man's explanation for things and a tool for creating order in early civilisations. It is a mental health issue IMO, it has to be, just in the same way Id think it was if you believed in fairies. But each to their own and all that but it shouldn't be taught in school or be forced on daily life in any way. Im all for HTFC having a councillor if theres a need for it. The religious aspect of him is irrelevant and meaningless to me ,as I wish it was for everyone. But I accept it isn't for the vast majority of people in this world. Now if I came on here trying to convince you of the truth of my views I'd be rightly castigated so I can't really win on that one. However, I have to say that I look at things slightly differently and say how anyone can have blind faith in science is truly beyond me. You only need to look at how many times they change their minds completely - this is good for you, no it isn't, yes it is. This meat is perfectly safe to eat, oh no it isn't. etc.etc. The theory of evolution is just that - a theory. Might be right, might be wrong. After trying for hundreds of years to prove it, they haven't yet succeeded. Yet it is taught as a truth in schools. I might object to that if our children should only be taught the truth of things. Do I believe in the story of creation ? - not as a whole truth. Do I believe in the theory of evolution ? - to some extent but I think there are big holes in the argument and in spite of such a lot of work being done on it, there is no real evidence to fill the gaps. I do not believe they will ever be able to totally prove it because I don't think it will be the whole truth. As science pushes the boundaries of what we know it only becomes evident that there is so much more that we don't know. I offer no evidence for the existence of God except that it has a real meaning and effect on the lives of people who believe. I think that the only sensible option is to keep an open mind.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 28, 2015 11:29:53 GMT 1
Asking if he has any evidence that god doesn't exist, is like asking if he has any evidence that there isn't a star in the next galaxy that is entirely made of custard! How can he have evidence that something doesn't exist?? Isn't the emphasis with believers to have evidence that God DOES exist? And in 1000s of years of trying, they have failed miserably to come up with even a scrap of it. Religion has always been a bizarre notion to me. How otherwise intelligent people in this day and age can disregard science, knowledge and logic and actually believe in things that are clearly just primitive man's explanation for things and a tool for creating order in early civilisations. It is a mental health issue IMO, it has to be, just in the same way Id think it was if you believed in fairies. But each to their own and all that but it shouldn't be taught in school or be forced on daily life in any way. Im all for HTFC having a councillor if theres a need for it. The religious aspect of him is irrelevant and meaningless to me ,as I wish it was for everyone. But I accept it isn't for the vast majority of people in this world. Isn't it funny how non-religious people who moan about religious people being intolerant, prejudiced, and forcing their religious beliefs down everyone else's throats are often themselves intolerant and prejudiced towards religious people, and go round trying to force their non-religion onto others. You are confusing me giving my opinion on religion and those who believe in it, with me 'forcing' them to be non-religious. How exactly am I doing that? In terms of forcing beliefs onto the other side, its a very one sided arrangement , even in todays more secular society. I have relatives and friends who are religious to varying degrees as Im sure everyone has, so Im not prejudiced against them for it. But I do think they have some kind of mental issue to believe in something so ridiculous. Doesn't make them bad people though. We all have quirks that defy logic and reason. Driving to the other end of the country to watch some men kick a ball about is thought as one by many!
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 28, 2015 11:30:39 GMT 1
Where are the big holes in the theory of evolution Nic?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 28, 2015 11:47:52 GMT 1
Asking if he has any evidence that god doesn't exist, is like asking if he has any evidence that there isn't a star in the next galaxy that is entirely made of custard! How can he have evidence that something doesn't exist?? Isn't the emphasis with believers to have evidence that God DOES exist? And in 1000s of years of trying, they have failed miserably to come up with even a scrap of it. Religion has always been a bizarre notion to me. How otherwise intelligent people in this day and age can disregard science, knowledge and logic and actually believe in things that are clearly just primitive man's explanation for things and a tool for creating order in early civilisations. It is a mental health issue IMO, it has to be, just in the same way Id think it was if you believed in fairies. But each to their own and all that but it shouldn't be taught in school or be forced on daily life in any way. Im all for HTFC having a councillor if theres a need for it. The religious aspect of him is irrelevant and meaningless to me ,as I wish it was for everyone. But I accept it isn't for the vast majority of people in this world. Now if I came on here trying to convince you of the truth of my views I'd be rightly castigated so I can't really win on that one. However, I have to say that I look at things slightly differently and say how anyone can have blind faith in science is truly beyond me. You only need to look at how many times they change their minds completely - this is good for you, no it isn't, yes it is. This meat is perfectly safe to eat, oh no it isn't. etc.etc. The theory of evolution is just that - a theory. Might be right, might be wrong. After trying for hundreds of years to prove it, they haven't yet succeeded. Yet it is taught as a truth in schools. I might object to that if our children should only be taught the truth of things. Do I believe in the story of creation ? - not as a whole truth. Do I believe in the theory of evolution ? - to some extent but I think there are big holes in the argument and in spite of such a lot of work being done on it, there is no real evidence to fill the gaps. I do not believe they will ever be able to totally prove it because I don't think it will be the whole truth. As science pushes the boundaries of what we know it only becomes evident that there is so much more that we don't know. I offer no evidence for the existence of God except that it has a real meaning and effect on the lives of people who believe. I think that the only sensible option is to keep an open mind. believing in science isn't blind faith though is it. Its frankly absurd to say that it is ( this is where my mental issue theory shines through) . Its based around FACTS and backed up by evidence. Ok as time and technology advances, peoples understanding of those facts and evidence can change, but the truth is you could fill as many libraries as you like with evidence that science is correct and proven on countless different subjects. The facts and evidence to back up religion amount to what? Absolutely zero. Nothing at all. A religious person like yourself can't offer any evidence because there isn't any. It is 100% blind faith- always has been, al;ways will be. So which would you want children to be taught? I find it hard to understand how someone can kind of half believe in religion. Either there is a god, and he created everything as the religious books say, or there isn't and science with all its evidence and proof is correct surely. You can't have a bit of both.
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Post by NicMcTerrier on Feb 28, 2015 12:05:36 GMT 1
Now if I came on here trying to convince you of the truth of my views I'd be rightly castigated so I can't really win on that one. However, I have to say that I look at things slightly differently and say how anyone can have blind faith in science is truly beyond me. You only need to look at how many times they change their minds completely - this is good for you, no it isn't, yes it is. This meat is perfectly safe to eat, oh no it isn't. etc.etc. The theory of evolution is just that - a theory. Might be right, might be wrong. After trying for hundreds of years to prove it, they haven't yet succeeded. Yet it is taught as a truth in schools. I might object to that if our children should only be taught the truth of things. Do I believe in the story of creation ? - not as a whole truth. Do I believe in the theory of evolution ? - to some extent but I think there are big holes in the argument and in spite of such a lot of work being done on it, there is no real evidence to fill the gaps. I do not believe they will ever be able to totally prove it because I don't think it will be the whole truth. As science pushes the boundaries of what we know it only becomes evident that there is so much more that we don't know. I offer no evidence for the existence of God except that it has a real meaning and effect on the lives of people who believe. I think that the only sensible option is to keep an open mind. believing in science isn't blind faith though is it. Its frankly absurd to say that it is ( this is where my mental issue theory shines through) . Its based around FACTS and backed up by evidence. Ok as time and technology advances, peoples understanding of those facts and evidence can change, but the truth is you could fill as many libraries as you like with evidence that science is correct and proven on countless different subjects. The facts and evidence to back up religion amount to what? Absolutely zero. Nothing at all. A religious person like yourself can't offer any evidence because there isn't any. It is 100% blind faith- always has been, al;ways will be. So which would you want children to be taught? I find it hard to understand how someone can kind of half believe in religion. Either there is a god, and he created everything as the religious books say, or there isn't and science with all its evidence and proof is correct surely. You can't have a bit of both. It is when it is taught as a truth. When children learn about evolution they are not taught - this is what we think might have happened - they are taught that this IS what happened but scientists will agree that it is only a theory. The gaps that I refer to include the fact that if the theory is correct there should be some evidence today of the continuation of the changing of species from one to another, rather than change within the species. This I guess is my big problem with it. Also, the missing link remains missing. I'm just not convinced by it as it stands. It should also be noted that there are plenty of eminent scientists who also have a faith ( as well as many who don't) and they don't seem to have a problem with holding both points of view. Anyway this debate has gone well away from where it started and is probably not appropriate for a forum but I've enjoyed discussing it with you all. Now onto the football.....
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Post by ringdisco on Feb 28, 2015 12:11:25 GMT 1
I think you're notion of religion is that all religious people are fundamentalists Captain. A minority are, but for the vast majority of people, religion brings good things into their lives. Why deprive them of that? No, not fundamentalists, but I do think anyone who actually believes in god/religion has a mental health issue. If an adult believed in pixies, santa claus, unicorns etc everyone would think they had a mental health issue. Don't see any difference. I believe in manic pixie dream girls, does that count?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 28, 2015 12:34:01 GMT 1
Religious institutions are among the most corrupt institutions in the world, since the Vatican has existed they have led Europe into such glorious times as the inquisitions, the crusades, the great war & WW2.. The story of Jesus is a hybrid of the story of the Egyption sun god Horis, who supposedly existed 3000bc & reworked by the Romans to control it's ever expanding population.. Horis, Born on 25th December to the Virgin Isis Meri, his birth was signalled by a star in the east, followed by 3 kings to locate him, who brought gifts & adorned him.. Age 12 he was a teacher, age 30 he was baptised. He was followed around by 12 disciples whilst he performed miracles such as healing the sick & walking on water, etc. Eventually he was betrayed by one of the disciples, executed on a cross, buried, then after 3 days resurrected.. The same story has been repeated throughout history by many civilisations.. Why? To find the answer you need to look at the stars.. Sirius is the star in the east (the brightest star in the night sky) on December 24th it lines up with the 3 brightest stars in the Orions belt, which have always been known as the '3 kings' on December 25th they point to where the sunrises.. Which is why the '3 kings' follow the star in the east to locate the birth of jesus (the sun)
The Virgin Mary is the constellation Virgo, aka, Virgo the Virgin, which is also referred to as the house of bread. In Hebrew 'the house of bread' literally translates to Bethlehem.. A place in the sky, not earth.
The 12 disciples refer to the 12 major constellations, which on the cross of the Zodiac is depicted these with the sun (Jesus) in the centre..
If you're interested in a full explanation I strongly advise you watch Zeitgeist the movie on YouTube.. Part one of the movie is about religion & it's origins & part 2 is about corrupt governments.. Peter Joseph has a great way of explaining things in a very balanced way..
Sorry can't link on my phone.
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