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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 18:45:28 GMT 1
That's some good shit you're smoking there Mel/ You know I'm not definitely wrong though mate. Get back in your wormhole.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 1, 2015 18:51:51 GMT 1
Try reading my previous comment again, 3Pipe....but properly this time! Try typing in proper English mate. is a specy for starters?
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 1, 2015 18:55:25 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 1, 2015 18:57:57 GMT 1
It might help explain how Michael Collins went missing so often that's for sure. I'd question the mental health of anyone who had more belief in michael Collins than the creator himself
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 1, 2015 19:35:06 GMT 1
Does it really need proving? You might not have evidence of what was in the space that your house now takes up- but you can use logic and understanding to know that it was almost certainly an empty space in a field. Same for the universe- before the big bang you can use basic logic and understanding to know that where it is now was an empty space. Or you can think it was occupied by a big man with a grey beard sitting on a cloud surrounded by babies with halos and little wings. Yes it does need proving, other wise you have mental health problems, that's what you say about religion, works both ways, neither can be proved,if religion fills a gap in someone's life who are we to scoff at it....for the record i arnt particular religious but open minded enough to let others believe in anything they see fit. . Sure. So I have to prove there isn't a planet in the next galaxy thats made entirely of custard or I have mental health issues? And if you don't believe it 'might' be there, then you're not open minded? Its a personal choice. Mine is that Ill always scoff at religion and be bemused by anyone who believes in it and think they have some sort of mental issue. Same as i would an adult who believes in fairies or pixies. I don't ask or expect anyone to do the same.
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Post by Novakaine on Mar 1, 2015 19:37:54 GMT 1
I wonder if Chaplain Dudley Martin appreciates his thread...
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 1, 2015 19:40:23 GMT 1
The complexity of the human brain is such that it can only have evolved from a human brain
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Post by Manx Terrier on Mar 1, 2015 20:00:00 GMT 1
We are never going to agree about God. Can we at least all agree that the earth goes round the sun?
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Post by terrierng on Mar 1, 2015 20:05:03 GMT 1
Yes it does need proving, other wise you have mental health problems, that's what you say about religion, works both ways, neither can be proved,if religion fills a gap in someone's life who are we to scoff at it....for the record i arnt particular religious but open minded enough to let others believe in anything they see fit. . Sure. So I have to prove there isn't a planet in the next galaxy thats made entirely of custard or I have mental health issues? And if you don't believe it 'might' be there, then you're not open minded? Its a personal choice. Mine is that Ill always scoff at religion and be bemused by anyone who believes in it and think they have some sort of mental issue. Same as i would an adult who believes in fairies or pixies. I don't ask or expect anyone to do the same. I scoff at people who berate others but can offer no proof otherwise, only their opinion.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 1, 2015 20:36:17 GMT 1
scoff away. Im just giving my opinion not berating anyone or telling them what they should or should not think If you think proving what was in the space now occupied by the universe is the same as proving there is a magic bearded man in the clouds who created everything, then thats fine. But Ill scoff right back at you.
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Post by terrierng on Mar 1, 2015 20:40:55 GMT 1
scoff away. Im just giving my opinion not berating anyone or telling them what they should or should not think If you think proving what was in the space now occupied by the universe is the same as proving there is a magic bearded man in the clouds who created everything, then thats fine. But Ill scoff right back at you. I don't believe anymore than you,my initial post was a wind up,but your saying anyone with faith has mental health issues yet can never prove different,same on the universe,you cant prove a thing,you must have mental health issues as much as a religious person ,as you cant prove a thing.only going by your opinions
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 21:44:08 GMT 1
If there is a God then you have to admit he is a bit of a Twat
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 2, 2015 0:22:07 GMT 1
I am a firm believer in each to their own and there are times in my life when I have had faith but don't count myself as religious and usually only step into churches for the usual christenings, weddings and more worryingly an increasing number of funerals as I have got older.
The last thing I would do though is to judge others and to even suggest that they suffer from mental health issues is IMO unbelievably offensive to the millions around the world that CHOOSE to believe in their religion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 0:30:32 GMT 1
I am a firm believer in each to their own and there are times in my life when I have had faith but don't count myself as religious and usually only step into churches for the usual christenings, weddings and more worryingly an increasing number of funerals as I have got older. The last thing I would do though is to judge others and to even suggest that they suffer from mental health issues is IMO unbelievably offensive to the millions around the world that CHOOSE to believe in their religion. Exactly. Give you're time, money and energy to supporting any religion and your nuts. According to a man who give his time, money and energy supporting Huddersfield Town. There is no scientist alive or dead that could make head nor tail of that.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2015 1:59:58 GMT 1
I am a firm believer in each to their own and there are times in my life when I have had faith but don't count myself as religious and usually only step into churches for the usual christenings, weddings and more worryingly an increasing number of funerals as I have got older. The last thing I would do though is to judge others and to even suggest that they suffer from mental health issues is IMO unbelievably offensive to the millions around the world that CHOOSE to believe in their religion. I don't mind being unbelievably offensive if thats the case but I don't mean it to be. If you knew some bloke who believed fairies were real, would you think he had a mental problem or would you sit up on that high horse and insist you don't judge anybody? Be honest! Your millions is actually billions. They can believe in what they want. And I can think they have a mental issue for believing something so absurd and preposterous with not even a scrap of evidence to support it. Once again its only my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 3:13:18 GMT 1
I think you're perhaps looking at it a bit too literally captain. Having a faith is not necessarily about believing in an entity in the sky etc..but can be that there is a power in the universe greater than any single man. A belief in 'some thing' It doesn't have to contradict science or have proven evidence as such.
I have faith in a power, not a god as such but that there is an energy in the universe. It doesn't mean bad things don't happen but if I do the right things in life then I get back what I give out. Love, empathy, compassion, education, openmindedness, honesty. These principles exist in most religious texts also. I was brought up a staunch athiest & I don't follow any organised religion but I believe in a power in the universe & do my best to align my life with that power/energy today.
I'm not into preaching any more than the next man but often the simple act of listening can be enough to help someone enormously.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 2, 2015 7:52:13 GMT 1
I am a firm believer in each to their own and there are times in my life when I have had faith but don't count myself as religious and usually only step into churches for the usual christenings, weddings and more worryingly an increasing number of funerals as I have got older. The last thing I would do though is to judge others and to even suggest that they suffer from mental health issues is IMO unbelievably offensive to the millions around the world that CHOOSE to believe in their religion. I don't mind being unbelievably offensive if thats the case but I don't mean it to be. If you knew some bloke who believed fairies were real, would you think he had a mental problem or would you sit up on that high horse and insist you don't judge anybody? Be honest! Your millions is actually billions. They can believe in what they want. And I can think they have a mental issue for believing something so absurd and preposterous with not even a scrap of evidence to support it. Once again its only my opinion. I wouldn't necessarily say that one of the UK's pre-eminent writers of fiction this country has ever produced who was a qualified ophthalmologist and creator of 3 pipes favourite detective as having mental health issues but he was a spiritualist and probably the most famous believer in fairies that this country has ever seen. People IMO have a right to believe in what they choose to and religion is the most popular belief this planet has ever seen and far many more people take great comfort and solace from it than use it for wars. Power and the gaining of it IMO is the biggest contributor to the many wars and ills of the human race.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2015 9:06:11 GMT 1
I think you're perhaps looking at it a bit too literally captain. Having a faith is not necessarily about believing in an entity in the sky etc..but can be that there is a power in the universe greater than any single man. A belief in 'some thing' It doesn't have to contradict science or have proven evidence as such. I have faith in a power, not a god as such but that there is an energy in the universe. It doesn't mean bad things don't happen but if I do the right things in life then I get back what I give out. Love, empathy, compassion, education, openmindedness, honesty. These principles exist in most religious texts also. I was brought up a staunch athiest & I don't follow any organised religion but I believe in a power in the universe & do my best to align my life with that power/energy today. I'm not into preaching any more than the next man but often the simple act of listening can be enough to help someone enormously. Im the same I reckon. The energy I believe in being 'nature'.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2015 9:09:01 GMT 1
I don't mind being unbelievably offensive if thats the case but I don't mean it to be. If you knew some bloke who believed fairies were real, would you think he had a mental problem or would you sit up on that high horse and insist you don't judge anybody? Be honest! Your millions is actually billions. They can believe in what they want. And I can think they have a mental issue for believing something so absurd and preposterous with not even a scrap of evidence to support it. Once again its only my opinion. I wouldn't necessarily say that one of the UK's pre-eminent writers of fiction this country has ever produced who was a qualified ophthalmologist and creator of 3 pipes favourite detective as having mental health issues but he was a spiritualist and probably the most famous believer in fairies that this country has ever seen. People IMO have a right to believe in what they choose to and religion is the most popular belief this planet has ever seen and far many more people take great comfort and solace from it than use it for wars. Power and the gaining of it IMO is the biggest contributor to the many wars and ills of the human race. Well mate, If I come across a bloke who believes in fairies, then I'll think they are a sandwich short of a picnic. Doesn't make them a bad person. Doesn't mean they shouldn't do it. And i suspect you would too if youre honest with yourself!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 9:09:40 GMT 1
Can we now move this thread to the "Captainslapper wont stop debating about religion until he's shaking hands with the bearded man in the sky" section?
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2015 9:20:39 GMT 1
oh sorry mel. as you're god on here, we best call time on it then.
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Post by DeepSpace on Mar 2, 2015 9:25:29 GMT 1
What people believe in is based on a mix of experiential and (sub)conscious learning; things they see & things they are taught or learn. If someone sees fairies then that might be for a number of reasons varying from psychosis to 'take more water with it' to fairies actually exist. But you cannot take away that person's reality by imposing your own version of it onto other people that has arisen from exactly the same place as yours. Personally I go for the Existentialist approach of life's meaning being whatever you choose to give it. I'm not religious but I have massive respect for people that are, & even more respect for people who make huge sacrifices, up to & including death, through a desire to make the world a gentler & more peaceful place (I think that the belief system underpinning it is flawed on the basis of my interpretation of the evidence, but so what). I take issue with people who try to impose visions of hell or eternal damnation on others to proselytise through fear rather than persuasiveness of argument.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 10:56:00 GMT 1
oh sorry mel. as you're god on here, we best call time on it then. ;) Hey, the debate can continue for me, just not sure how many times we need to hear you mocking the religious. I've worked at the church hall at St Mary's recently, very enlightening, lots of good people doing good things for the community. We even got invited for Christmas dinner with the old folks that use the church as a focal point for their social lives. Not one of them came across as mentally ill, despite you're opinion that they all are. Weird isn't it that?
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2015 12:24:04 GMT 1
Not really. If you'd read what Ive said you'd know I have family and friends who are religious. I don't dislike them for it. I don't mock them for it ( as i haven't on this thread) , I don't think they should stop being religious. I don't think people aren;t happy to be religious or get benefits from it. Do i think they all have some sort of mental issue to believe in god?- yeah I do. They probably think i have to follow this football club. Do I think it should be taught as fact in schools- definitely not.
Sorry me having an opinion is so hard for you to tolerate that you can't get the points Im making. Im glad on reflection you've given your permission for the debate to continue though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 12:40:51 GMT 1
Think you need to find God captain.
He might help you come to terms with your intolerance of peple who go to church and disagree with you on an Internet forum.
Or you can carry on arguing until we all get bored and move onto the next subject as per.
The chaplain will be a good appointment, good luck to him in his post, as I said earlier, I've had personal experiences talking to one, and like other posters have said, found it very useful and comforting.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2015 12:47:44 GMT 1
How am I not tolerating people who go to church? What a silly thing to say.
Im just giving my opinion- you're the one arguing with it and making up what ive said to suit until you've convinced yourself that youve been proved right.
You gave your permission for the debate to continue, so don't complain if it does.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 2, 2015 13:30:03 GMT 1
For God's sake stop it.
Heavens above...
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 2, 2015 13:31:09 GMT 1
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Post by benhomly on Mar 2, 2015 14:15:52 GMT 1
Not really. If you'd read what Ive said you'd know I have family and friends who are religious. I don't dislike them for it. I don't mock them for it ( as i haven't on this thread) , I don't think they should stop being religious. I don't think people aren;t happy to be religious or get benefits from it. Do i think they all have some sort of mental issue to believe in god?- yeah I do. They probably think i have to follow this football club. Do I think it should be taught as fact in schools- definitely not. Sorry me having an opinion is so hard for you to tolerate that you can't get the points Im making. Im glad on reflection you've given your permission for the debate to continue though. Jesus, don't start suggesting people get benefits from it or the churches will be full of chavs in no time.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Mar 2, 2015 14:27:35 GMT 1
I think you're perhaps looking at it a bit too literally captain. Having a faith is not necessarily about believing in an entity in the sky etc..but can be that there is a power in the universe greater than any single man. A belief in 'some thing' It doesn't have to contradict science or have proven evidence as such. I have faith in a power, not a god as such but that there is an energy in the universe. It doesn't mean bad things don't happen but if I do the right things in life then I get back what I give out. Love, empathy, compassion, education, openmindedness, honesty. These principles exist in most religious texts also. I was brought up a staunch athiest & I don't follow any organised religion but I believe in a power in the universe & do my best to align my life with that power/energy today. I'm not into preaching any more than the next man but often the simple act of listening can be enough to help someone enormously. That is how I see it
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