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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 21:02:34 GMT 1
This is very very difficult to have an opinion on without enraging someone over public morality. A few years ago I think it was Graham Rix was sent to prison for a few years for having sex with a minor. This is the same minor who was in a night club at 2-00 in the morning ,the same minor who spent the night with him and then ran back to her parents to ell them what had happened. These same now enraged and indignant parents then report him to the police and he is in trouble yet these same enraged parents don't appear to care that the same precious minor they are now protecting, was out in night clubs and sleeping around three years under age. This is the double standards the man is exposed even if not guilty, the little temptress has to be protected The simple answer ( may be deemed to be harsh) if the little temptress is in a night club acting and behaving like a 20 year old then the man has nothing to answer to, this is not male grooming this ( and I have not read the Sun article ) appears to be a honey trap that most single men of AJ age would fall into after a few drinks. Wow. Is this a wind up? Edit. I find your posts alarming, offensive but not entirely shocking. A lot of men think like you- The 'They deserve what they get all them little temptresses'', what's a bloke meant to do- ask for ID!?' club.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 21:28:04 GMT 1
They wouldn't of been so quick of the mark to release his name if he was Asian why? edit... the recent events in Halifax The men the police have charged Hedar Ali, 35, of Nantwich, Cheshire. He is charged with rape (x2) and trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation (x2). Fasil Mahmood, 35, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 and supply of a class B Drug. Zameer Asif, 24, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child. Mohammed Ramzan, 34, of Bradford. He is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16, rape and trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation. Khalid Zaman, 37, of Bradford. He is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16, rape (x2) and supply of a class B drug. Ataf Ali, 32, of Bradford. He is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16 and voyeurism. Mohammed Fiaz Askar, 32, of Bradford. He is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16. Aesan Pervez, 26, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual assault (x3). Mansoor Akhtar, 23, of Huddersfield. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2) and the supply of a class B drug. Furqaan Ghafar, 30, of Derby. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16. Aftab Hussain, 35, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual grooming, sexual assault and sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2). Talib Saddiq, 29, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2). Amaar Ali Ditta, 25, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2). Silkander Malik, 30, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16. Akbar Aziz Hussain, 29, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 and supply of a class B drug. Azeem Subhani, 23, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2). Tahir Mahmood, 42, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x3) and sexual assault. Mohammed Ahmed, 41, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16. Haaris Ahmed, 31, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x3) and supply of a class B drug (x3). Taukeer Butt, 29, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x4). Arshad Majid, 24, of Shipley. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16. Christopher Mulqueen-Bennett, 36, of Newport (Gwent). He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16. Muhammed Asim Janjuha, 33, of Bradford. He is charged with rape. Haider Ali, 39, of Halifax. He is charged with rape, sexual activity with a child under 16 and causing a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity without consent. Sikander Ishaq, 30, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
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Post by Lard Buttie on Mar 2, 2015 21:29:50 GMT 1
They wouldn't of been so quick of the mark to release his name if he was Asian Maybe it was AJ profile that caused this quick release of info. Professional footballer versus Asian taxi driver.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Mar 2, 2015 21:46:51 GMT 1
A moral minefield? The guy has a long time partner and has just become a father quite recently so why is he messing with anyone never mind someone who potentially maybe under aged as alleged?
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Post by Big Ern on Mar 2, 2015 21:47:07 GMT 1
I would hope that if a man was found guilty of fornicating with a minor he met in a nightclub then likewise the bouncers and owner of said club should also be found guilty of misconduct.
If a girl gets past the door staff then it's not just the bloke that's been duped. There was a similar case recently of a few French players (ribery was one I think) found guilty of something similar and I think it was thrown out.
If he knowingly entered into contact with a minor then he should be punished to the full extent of the law.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 21:50:00 GMT 1
Right! Let's lighten the mood a bit. There's a great thread on the haircuts of Town players from the 60's to the present day. It's been put off topic (grrrrrrrr) but if you prefer your threads inter generational rather than inter course, switch over.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 21:59:02 GMT 1
Yeah great point
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Post by thrice on Mar 2, 2015 22:02:51 GMT 1
I very much doubt this was simply a "one night stand".
However, even if it was who would not enquire about the age of any young lady you might woo.
Do folk not make chit chat before mating anymore!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 22:05:39 GMT 1
If you can't tell someone is 15 your lying or dumb
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 2, 2015 22:10:36 GMT 1
If you can't tell someone is 15 your lying or dumb Not sure that's entirely true but I'm not going to go googling images to prove a point.
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Post by Lard Buttie on Mar 2, 2015 22:15:01 GMT 1
If you can't tell someone is 15 your lying or dumb Not sure that's entirely true but I'm not going to go googling images to prove a point. Only google images that also show their birth certificates will be accepted in evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 22:16:45 GMT 1
Not just looks Talk to a 15 year old and talk to a 25 year old.worlds apart
Even if he thought she was 16 that's still pretty sad in my eyes
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 2, 2015 22:16:58 GMT 1
A moral minefield? The guy has a long time partner and has just become a father quite recently so why is he messing with anyone never mind someone who potentially maybe under aged as alleged? the best post in this thread. Funny how it has been overlooked.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 22:20:45 GMT 1
A moral minefield? The guy has a long time partner and has just become a father quite recently so why is he messing with anyone never mind someone who potentially maybe under aged as alleged? the best post in this thread. Funny how it has been overlooked. Personally I think the guy should be allowed to follow the legal process before everyone on DATM hangs him
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 2, 2015 22:26:11 GMT 1
the best post in this thread. Funny how it has been overlooked. Personally I think the guy should be allowed to follow the legal process before everyone on DATM hangs him Not hanging him at all ted, but Barbie is right, a man who has just recently become a father has no business picking up anyone in a night club even if they looked a 105. Says a lot about his character. And in any case what has this got to do with Huddersfield Town, nameless admin please move to Off topic.
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Post by DeepSpace on Mar 2, 2015 22:29:41 GMT 1
As a rule of thumb, children behave like children. And 15 is a child in law. Children try to mimic adults & there's all sorts of legislation to stop them getting into danger as a result of that.
Children are deemed incapable of consent to sex in law. Full stop, end of story. Look up the law, you'll see that judges have ruled that girls of 15 working in the sex trade are still children incapable of giving consent. If she is a victim of neglect, poor parenting or whatever then (assuming he is found guilty) that just makes her more of a victim & the crime worse.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Mar 2, 2015 22:36:09 GMT 1
the best post in this thread. Funny how it has been overlooked. Personally I think the guy should be allowed to follow the legal process before everyone on DATM hangs him Hence the word alledged. I hope for his sake and his new family it will all be sorted out.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 22:36:29 GMT 1
Personally I think the guy should be allowed to follow the legal process before everyone on DATM hangs him Not hanging him at all ted, but Barbie is right, a man who has just recently become a father has no business picking up anyone in a night club even if they looked a 105. Says a lot about his character. And in any case what has this got to do with Huddersfield Town, nameless admin please move to Off topic. Is it a fact he picked up a 15yo in a nightclub ? I haven't read that... In terms of morality.. That is a lot different to the law.... Both men and women can be guilty of lapses in following social mores around relationships.. Doesn't make them criminals... I do find the comments by the 40 something guy earlier pretty disturbing though I have to say.. In terms of topic/offtopic I use " recent threads" so all topics are on topic.. I don't really know why people are bothered t b h
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 2, 2015 22:37:59 GMT 1
Personally I think the guy should be allowed to follow the legal process before everyone on DATM hangs him Not hanging him at all ted, but Barbie is right, a man who has just recently become a father has no business picking up anyone in a night club even if they looked a 105. Says a lot about his character. And in any case what has this got to do with Huddersfield Town, nameless admin please move to Off topic. What are you on about? The guy is a grown adult, if he wants to go out and shag other women despite him having a partner at home with a baby he can, whether you think its right or not. That's not really the issue herd is it? The issue is he has commited a criminal offence.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 2, 2015 22:47:33 GMT 1
Not hanging him at all ted, but Barbie is right, a man who has just recently become a father has no business picking up anyone in a night club even if they looked a 105. Says a lot about his character. And in any case what has this got to do with Huddersfield Town, nameless admin please move to Off topic. What are you on about? The guy is a grown adult, if he wants to go out and shag other women despite him having a partner at home with a baby he can, whether you think its right or not. That's not really the issue herd is it? The issue is he has commited a criminal offence. I am not passing any comment on whether AJ is right to go out shagging Art - I just thought it interesting that the point was overlooked and the argument focused on whether it should be deemed ok if a child is passing herself of as a woman. And it still does say a lot about his character - and yours apparently.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 2, 2015 22:48:45 GMT 1
Not hanging him at all ted, but Barbie is right, a man who has just recently become a father has no business picking up anyone in a night club even if they looked a 105. Says a lot about his character. And in any case what has this got to do with Huddersfield Town, nameless admin please move to Off topic. Is it a fact he picked up a 15yo in a nightclub ? I haven't read that... In terms of morality.. That is a lot different to the law.... Both men and women can be guilty of lapses in following social mores around relationships.. Doesn't make them criminals... I do find the comments by the 40 something guy earlier pretty disturbing though I have to say.. In terms of topic/offtopic I use " recent threads" so all topics are on topic.. I don't really know why people are bothered t b h I am not bothered if I am being honest- - just having a dig because someone moved my Wasp thread.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 22:53:04 GMT 1
I remember feeling similarly sore when my Jocky Wilson RIP thread got shifted. But time is a great healer
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Post by Barbieterrier on Mar 2, 2015 22:55:51 GMT 1
What are you on about? The guy is a grown adult, if he wants to go out and shag other women despite him having a partner at home with a baby he can, whether you think its right or not. That's not really the issue herd is it? The issue is he has commited a criminal offence. I am not passing any comment on whether AJ is right to go out shagging Art - I just thought it interesting that the point was overlooked and the argument focused on whether it should be deemed ok if a child is passing herself of as a woman. And it still does say a lot about his character - and yours apparently. It's always the same though isn't it? It's all about victim blaming (she's passing herself off as older so what's the poor guy to do?). Just because a young girl 'looks' old enough doesn't mean she's ready to do what a woman does. It says loads about his character if he's not willing to put his family first before 'a bit' he's picked up in a nightclub and he really ought to be home looking after his family and helping with night feeds and not putting himself in the position where he could have unwittingly commited a crime. We don't really know enough about the alledge crime as yet I guess.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 2, 2015 22:56:39 GMT 1
I had two perfectly good threads deleted the other week, you lads don't know you're born.
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Post by efesodje23 on Mar 2, 2015 22:58:51 GMT 1
Efe Sodje was reported to have 'slept' with a 15 year old. However, by the time he got his tackle in she was 17.
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Post by Solid Snake on Mar 2, 2015 23:04:57 GMT 1
Efe Sodje was reported to have 'slept' with a 15 year old. However, by the time he got his tackle in she was 17. Brilliant.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 2, 2015 23:05:58 GMT 1
I am not passing any comment on whether AJ is right to go out shagging Art - I just thought it interesting that the point was overlooked and the argument focused on whether it should be deemed ok if a child is passing herself of as a woman. And it still does say a lot about his character - and yours apparently. It's always the same though isn't it? It's all about victim blaming (she's passing herself off as older so what's the poor guy to do?). Just because a young girl 'looks' old enough doesn't mean she's ready to do what a woman does. It says loads about his character if he's not willing to put his family first before 'a bit' he's picked up in a nightclub and he really ought to be home looking after his family and helping with night feeds and not putting himself in the position where he could have unwittingly commited a crime. We don't really know enough about the alledge crime as yet I guess. Are you saying he should have asked her for her birth certificate? If I asked a woman her age before I had sex with her and she said she was 18, then I'd have to think she was, unless I had reasonable doubt that she wasn't.
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Post by DeepSpace on Mar 2, 2015 23:11:29 GMT 1
It's always the same though isn't it? It's all about victim blaming (she's passing herself off as older so what's the poor guy to do?). Just because a young girl 'looks' old enough doesn't mean she's ready to do what a woman does. It says loads about his character if he's not willing to put his family first before 'a bit' he's picked up in a nightclub and he really ought to be home looking after his family and helping with night feeds and not putting himself in the position where he could have unwittingly commited a crime. We don't really know enough about the alledge crime as yet I guess. Are you saying he should have asked her for her birth certificate? If I asked a woman her age before I had sex with her and she said she was 18, then I'd have to think she was, unless I had reasonable doubt that she wasn't. You can have all the reasonable doubt you want. You'd still have broken the law and would be found guilty.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Mar 2, 2015 23:14:36 GMT 1
It's always the same though isn't it? It's all about victim blaming (she's passing herself off as older so what's the poor guy to do?). Just because a young girl 'looks' old enough doesn't mean she's ready to do what a woman does. It says loads about his character if he's not willing to put his family first before 'a bit' he's picked up in a nightclub and he really ought to be home looking after his family and helping with night feeds and not putting himself in the position where he could have unwittingly commited a crime. We don't really know enough about the alledge crime as yet I guess. Are you saying he should have asked her for her birth certificate? If I asked a woman her age before I had sex with her and she said she was 18, then I'd have to think she was, unless I had reasonable doubt that she wasn't. I think when you're in the position AJ is in (high profile footballer, lots of media attention, dosh, a long term partner and a new family) it's reasonable to think you've every single base covered if you're going to behave like this or not bother at all. With today's culture of social media and everything being captured on a phone he was bound to come unstuck one way or another. Unfortunately for him this way may turn out he's commited a crime.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 23:15:53 GMT 1
Even if you thought she was 18 Art that would make her half your age . If youre into making out with teen girls as a 30 something then if I was you then I would be taking a little more care with how you filter legal from illegal. The onus of responsibility is on you as an adult and I doubt the judge would take kindly to your squashbuckling approach.
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