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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 3, 2015 19:05:50 GMT 1
Birmingham and Blackburn not playing today so a win will see us back in the top half of the league. UTT
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Post by Novakaine on Mar 3, 2015 19:15:29 GMT 1
I don't go around not murdering people or not raping people because it's against the law. I don't do these things because I have no desire to do so, based on the morals I live by. I'd like to think most of us could live in a civilised society without 'laws', but sadly there are many people who can't seem to grasp what is right or wrong. Even with laws! I did say only some laws are bullshit. Some I agree with, even if not the fact we have to have them. I don't know the effects of opium on humans so I can't comment on that. I'll look it up. I have no idea why cannabis is illegal. Something to do with racism and business, back in the day. A lot of people make a lot of money out of it being illegal, think of all the loses to the pharmaceutical companies if it were legal. And the more things that are illegal the more reason for more police. We have such a corrupt government. Saying that, if they were to legalise cannabis and (no doubt) stick a tax on it, the rise in sales (the legal cost would be cheaper so tax wouldn't affect the end user) would bring them a hell of a lot of money to fund their luxury second homes etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 19:46:37 GMT 1
A lot of people make a lot of money out of it being illegal, think of all the loses to the pharmaceutical companies if it were legal. And the more things that are illegal the more reason for more police. We have such a corrupt government. Saying that, if they were to legalise cannabis and (no doubt) stick a tax on it, the rise in sales (the legal cost would be cheaper so tax wouldn't affect the end user) would bring them a hell of a lot of money to fund their luxury second homes etc. True mate, but the government aren't interested in make money for themselves(as government) because thats really making money for the tax payer. They prefer the self benefiting route of brown envelopes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 19:53:57 GMT 1
Sat on a train, so wasted a few moments of my life on this tread. In summary there are only a few facts known at this stage:
1. A boy or girl under the age of 16 cannot consent in law.
2. Consent should be carefully considered when deciding not only what offence to charge but also whether it is in the public interest to prosecute. Sometimes consent is given, or appears to be given, but the law does not treat it as effective consent.
3. We know none of the facts of this case
4. We can draw no conclusions on who is guilty or who is the victim
5. The application of the law in these cases is very complicated and the press normally sensationalise the events, often missing some of the facts.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Mar 3, 2015 20:00:57 GMT 1
A lot of people make a lot of money out of it being illegal, think of all the loses to the pharmaceutical companies if it were legal. And the more things that are illegal the more reason for more police. We have such a corrupt government. Saying that, if they were to legalise cannabis and (no doubt) stick a tax on it, the rise in sales (the legal cost would be cheaper so tax wouldn't affect the end user) would bring them a hell of a lot of money to fund their luxury second homes etc. First year of legalisation here in Colorado. Huge tax revenue benefit and no sign of the world coming to an end. Don't use it myself (the 3 times I have has ended in me having a white face and a seemingly never ending shite!), but people here are the epitome of laid back.
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Post by Lard Buttie on Mar 3, 2015 21:15:40 GMT 1
Cannabis is being grown in fields in the UK so the big pharma companies cam use the active compound THC for use in legal drugs.
Hypocrisy if you ask me.
Also check out LSD and ecstasy's history.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 21:41:10 GMT 1
Cannabis is being grown in fields in the UK so the big pharma companies cam use the active compound THC for use in legal drugs. Hypocrisy if you ask me. Also check out LSD and ecstasy's history. CBD is the key medicinal extract, not THC. The Govt cannabis farms are bred to maximise the former over the latter. Dr Dave Potter is the lead scientist at the huge farm in the South, a fascinating chap if you ever get the chance to meet him.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 3, 2015 21:47:42 GMT 1
I love it when a DATM thread twists and turns faster than Adam Johnson on a mazy run
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2015 21:48:59 GMT 1
Should that not be Dr Dave Pothead?
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Post by Lard Buttie on Mar 3, 2015 22:12:00 GMT 1
I love it when a DATM thread twists and turns faster than Adam Johnson on a mazy run It's a pity he didn't run in the opposite direction to the girl in question. Has the 'he picked her up in a bar/night club' claim been confirmed yet btw. ? I've heard he forced himself on her whilst pointing a loaded starting pistol to her head whilst forcing her to smoke a joint?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 3, 2015 22:15:07 GMT 1
I love it when a DATM thread twists and turns faster than Adam Johnson on a mazy run It's a pity he didn't run in the opposite direction to the girl in question. Has the 'he picked her up in a bar/night club' claim been confirmed yet btw I've heard he forced himself on her whilst pointing a loaded starting pistol to her head whilst forcing her to smoke a joint? It's unconfirmed but I think you are correct on all counts
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Post by someguy on Mar 3, 2015 23:03:27 GMT 1
Daily mail changing the age of the girl in link for more clickbait?
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Mar 4, 2015 12:02:49 GMT 1
It's a pity he didn't run in the opposite direction to the girl in question. Has the 'he picked her up in a bar/night club' claim been confirmed yet btw I've heard he forced himself on her whilst pointing a loaded starting pistol to her head whilst forcing her to smoke a joint? It's unconfirmed but I think you are correct on all counts
Isnt that a bit like the guy on the Simpsons when asked, "without knowing precisely what the danger is would you say its time to panic?", "Yes I would Ken, yes I would"!
Surely if unconfirmed it cannot be correct!? The trouble with cases like these is rumour and innuendo often creep in and so its hard to know fact from fiction. Best for the police to do their job and see what happens.
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Mar 4, 2015 12:09:08 GMT 1
By that logic opium should be legal too! Laws determine what is and isn't acceptable in the society we chose to live in. Some like the area IS controls, have laws so strict its terrifying. If we don't have laws then we don't have rules to live by. If we don't have rules to live by maybe we should be cavemen bludgeoning others to death with clubs and huddled in caves!
I don't go around not murdering people or not raping people because it's against the law. I don't do these things because I have no desire to do so, based on the morals I live by. I'd like to think most of us could live in a civilised society without 'laws', but sadly there are many people who can't seem to grasp what is right or wrong. Even with laws! I did say only some laws are bullshit. Some I agree with, even if not the fact we have to have them. I don't know the effects of opium on humans so I can't comment on that. I'll look it up. I have no idea why cannabis is illegal. Something to do with racism and business, back in the day.
Just FYI I am someone who would personally legalise cannabis and tax the hell out of it. Its illegal now and the only people making money are very dodgy people indeed. Its no worse that tobacco in the smoking respect and better in others as it doesn't contain nicotine. In terms of its harmful effects its no worse than alcohol in that someone with other issues can have severe problems and yet those who consume in moderation seem ok. I used to smoke a lot back in my student days and I quit for my final year as I was a bit lazy and that was the worst effect it had on me. It was easy to quit but if I could legally have a joint once in a while I would do, the same way as having a few beers.
At the very least we should decriminalize small amounts to not waste police time and effort over situations which aren't all that serious when they have less money to look after the whole country.
I don't disagree that some laws are stupid but just that we need a structure. I agree most normal people have a sense of right and wrong but there are some absolute fucktards out there who clearly don't and the laws are needed to deal with them.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Mar 4, 2015 16:53:53 GMT 1
Johnson currently trending on Twitter - alleged picture of the girl involved. Blimey!!
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Mar 4, 2015 18:16:57 GMT 1
Just seen a photo of the girl on Twitter, I think 99% would say she was above 18 nevermind 16 if they didn't know better. By no means maing an excuse for him, but you can see how he made the mistake.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Mar 4, 2015 18:20:06 GMT 1
Just seen a photo of the girl on Twitter, I think 99% would say she was above 10 nevermind 16 if they didn't know better. By no means maing an excuse for him, but you can see how he made the mistake. The important word in my post was the word "alleged".
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 4, 2015 18:29:08 GMT 1
Some twitterer will be getting into bother
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Post by Amigo on Mar 4, 2015 18:31:08 GMT 1
Think the picture is of his Mrs isn't it?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 4, 2015 18:45:10 GMT 1
yes. the girl in question wont appear in the sun till she is 16 and 'telling all'...she might get on good morning and reach the big 'brain dead' audience.. she is too late for big brother...
as stated, Max Clifford would love this and make a bomb, unfortunately!!!!
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Mar 4, 2015 18:57:20 GMT 1
Just seen a photo of the girl on Twitter, I think 99% would say she was above 10 nevermind 16 if they didn't know better. By no means maing an excuse for him, but you can see how he made the mistake. The important word in my post was the word "alleged". A girl. Could be someone else. Could even be a bloke in drag. May not be her.
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Post by Novakaine on Mar 4, 2015 19:04:20 GMT 1
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 4, 2015 19:14:44 GMT 1
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Post by Novakaine on Mar 4, 2015 19:36:15 GMT 1
Probably wise Obviously, someone had made it as a joke and that wasn't the girl in question.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 11, 2015 0:28:47 GMT 1
Interesting. Seems some still play Russian roulette with their careers despite having it all
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Mar 18, 2015 13:28:13 GMT 1
Any new news on this?
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Post by Marco4 on Mar 18, 2015 14:40:14 GMT 1
Funny, I was wondering about this myself yesterday thinking I'd missed something else coming out about it.
I assume the police are doing their job in investigating both Johnson's claims from when he was interviewed and the claims made against him. Who knows how long that will take?
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Post by 3Pipe on Apr 23, 2015 16:40:10 GMT 1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 23, 2015 17:25:43 GMT 1
3 pipe it means he has been charged, that's all..
the clamour for him to be charged might well have over ridden the 'public interest'...
the criteria for charging people for this type of offence has 'changed' somewhat recently.
the 'not looking good for him' part is a wee bit indicative of societies 'views' at the moment.. its probably more worrying than reassuring..
splathering your account of what happened across the media before formally reporting anything used to be looked upon badly by the courts..
a great many facing charges used to be 'advised' to go for trial by jury because you 'just never know', it didn't used to be the CPS 'tactic'....
none of the above is prejudiced, guilty or not guilty... hard to get 12 jurors who may not have already read all the facebook stuff from one of the central characters plus all the associated replies, favourable to her or unfavourable..
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