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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 10:18:22 GMT 1
The fact is that when you pay peanuts you get monkeys. In comparison to the other 22 blokes on the pitch, Referees get next to fook all, so there's absolutely no incentive for anyone with a true experience and knowledge of the game to become one.
Most referees are clueless because they have never played the game at any kind of decent level, if we put more emphasis on ex league players from the top 4 divisions becoming referees, then there would be a dramatic increase in the quality of decision making.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 3, 2015 10:27:37 GMT 1
It will happen, it might have some initial teething problems (it might not), but ultimately it will work and you will see I am right (as I was about the goal-line tech). It's a complete no-brainer to me. Referees need help - bottom line - not putting anyone down. I won't see you were right.. Cos it's not what I want.... I'm comfortable with others having that opinion and it's obvious that this is the way it's going.... But I won't like it... Football isn't like, for eg cricket .... Did it hit the leg or was there a snick ? It's far more interpretive... With two people seeing the same incident and interpreting it in two different ways... Goal line tech was fine.... In itself I agree with it... But it was obviously a precursor to what I see as more detrimental developments... If you want to go down the " I'm right your wrong" line then go for it.. But I don't see it as that.. I see it as what would people prefer...
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2015 10:59:28 GMT 1
I agree football is more interpretive and it is to be hoped any technological improvements will take that into account. Going back to the example in the OP, surely you can't be happy about seeing the wrong players sent off (it's happened at least twice this season in the Premiership alone). Didn't we play against a Sheff Wednesday player who had been booked 3 times a few seasons ago? Hammill's career at Town ended by a tackle that wasn't adequately dealt with. Did you see Steven Ireland's leg the other day? The game is in a reet state and it's OK by a few cos it gives them something to chat about in the pub. Ridiculous.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 3, 2015 11:01:47 GMT 1
I agree football is more interpretive and it is to be hoped any technological improvements will take that into account. Going back to the example in the OP, surely you can't be happy about seeing the wrong players sent off (it's happened at least twice this season in the Premiership alone). Didn't we play against a Sheff Wednesday player who had been booked 3 times a few seasons ago? Hammill's career at Town ended by a tackle that wasn't adequately dealt with. Did you see Steven Ireland's leg the other day? The game is in a reet state and it's OK by a few cos it gives them something to chat about in the pub. Ridiculous. How far down the pyramid do you want to take this technology ?
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2015 11:15:01 GMT 1
How far down the pyramid do you want to take this technology ? It's not up to me. I'd like to see it certainly in the top two leagues in England wherever that is possible and affordable.
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Post by araucaria on Mar 3, 2015 11:16:17 GMT 1
Last season,Chelsea 6 Arsenal 0, Andre Marriner mistakenly sent off Gibbs instead of Oxlade-Chamberlain for hand ball. Because Marriner accepted his mistake, the punishment would have transferred retrospectively to O-C, but he got away with a booking because the ball was going wide.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 3, 2015 11:23:35 GMT 1
How far down the pyramid do you want to take this technology ? It's not up to me. I'd like to see it certainly in the top two leagues in England wherever that is possible and affordable. But not third and fourth division ? Or conference etc ? The money is definitely there but is swishing around in the banks of multimillionaire twenty something's In terms of " the game is in a rest state " ... In less than 150 football has risen to be the largest sport in the world.. All without recourse to video refs... So it's done ok so far
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2015 11:52:22 GMT 1
I can just hear '1950s-60s Ted Chips'..
Floodlights? What do we need bloody floodlights for? We've done 100 years alright without them.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 3, 2015 11:57:55 GMT 1
I can just hear '1950s-60s Ted Chips'.. Floodlights? What do we need bloody floodlights for? We've done 100 years alright without them. No 3pipes... Floodlights were great dos they enabled football to be watched on a night time... We are not talking about floodlights. We are talking about all the fans at a stadium hanging around waiting for a video ref to make decisions about things that go on on a football pitch ( but only if the league is rich enough ) .. Floodlights yes endless replays not for me
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2015 12:19:50 GMT 1
I'd rather stand around for a quick 10 second referral to a video ref than 2 minutes of the captain arguing with the ref, players argy bargying about, trainers called onto the pitch, handbags, the referee giving offenders a 'talking to' and at the end of it all it's still unresolved and there's an underlying injustice that'll only fuel it all kicking off again.
Look how players accept goal-line technology nowadays. No 2 minute discussions, decision accepted, everyone moves on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 12:22:22 GMT 1
I quite like the suspense in rugby when waiting for a big screen decision to be honest, as someone already stated if the standed of the refs wasnt so poor it wouldnt really be an issue.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 3, 2015 12:38:24 GMT 1
I'd rather stand around for a quick 10 second referral to a video ref than 2 minutes of the captain arguing with the ref, players argy bargying about, trainers called onto the pitch, handbags, the referee giving offenders a 'talking to' and at the end of it all it's still unresolved and there's an underlying injustice that'll only fuel it all kicking off again. Look how players accept goal-line technology nowadays. No 2 minute discussions, decision accepted, everyone moves on. Goal line is black and white.. It's either over or not... I don't think anyone had a problem with goal line per se..... Just whether a) the technology was sufficiently adept and b) it might lead to the kind of discussions we are having now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 12:38:52 GMT 1
I'd rather stand around for a quick 10 second referral to a video ref than 2 minutes of the captain arguing with the ref, players argy bargying about, trainers called onto the pitch, handbags, the referee giving offenders a 'talking to' and at the end of it all it's still unresolved and there's an underlying injustice that'll only fuel it all kicking off again. Look how players accept goal-line technology nowadays. No 2 minute discussions, decision accepted, everyone moves on. I think the main reasons goal line technology is working is because there isn't even a seconds pause in the action, the ref hears it in his earpiece game carries on. Consulting what would have to be multiple views of an incident would take time. Notice how many times pundits argue when contentious incidents take place, and that's with all the technology in front of them. Off to Brentford now. just time for a couple of these.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2015 13:07:44 GMT 1
Goal line is black and white.. It's either over or not... I don't think anyone had a problem with goal line per se..... Just whether a) the technology was sufficiently adept and b) it might lead to the kind of discussions we are having now After landing a probe on a comet 317 million miles away and travelling at 84,000 mph it was never in doubt for me that man could do this.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2015 13:12:06 GMT 1
I think the main reasons goal line technology is working is because there isn't even a seconds pause in the action, the ref hears it in his earpiece game carries on. Consulting what would have to be multiple views of an incident would take time. Notice how many times pundits argue when contentious incidents take place, and that's with all the technology in front of them. Off to Brentford now. just time for a couple of these. Safe travels mate. I agree that there will be decisions that can't be called sufficiently by video ref but that's fine. I'd like to see technology helping the ref, not replacing him. It would also help if they cleared up the rules regarding handball and offside interfering with play etc.
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