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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 12:08:38 GMT 1
Walter, More ambitious clubs in the Championship don't sell their Player of the Year and club Captain like Town did last season. Ask yourself where Town are now compared to Boro? It's OK having a tight budget, but if you pay peanuts you only attract monkeys such as Edgar and others etc. As for the financial fair play rules, how many of the current top half dozen clubs are taking any notice of them? Hoyle needs to have a word with Steve Gibson at Boro to see how they manage to attract better quality players and pay them higher salaries, when their average home attendances are only slightly higher than Town's. Finally, if Town had kept hold of Rhodes and Clayton we might have been competing for a top six place, instead of looking over our shoulders and being more concerned with what the likes of Blackpool, Wigan and Millwall are doing. Brentford sold their player of the season (Forshaw) and top goalscorer (Donaldson) at the start of this season. Last season Burnley sold Austin and still went up. Seriously at this level which clubs don't sell the best players? Whenever Boro have had a decent player they've been sold Jutkiewicz(!), Emnes, Bennett have all been sold for good fees in the last year or so. There's clubs above us with a smaller budget and clubs below us with a much larger one. It's not that simple or an exact science. Basically, you want Hoyle to pour yet more of his money into it, while you and others sit at the side moaning.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 4, 2015 12:15:08 GMT 1
It often boils down to the ability of the manager to get the best out of what he's got. At the moment ours is failing to do that.
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Post by jqhtfc on Mar 4, 2015 12:24:29 GMT 1
Brentford recruited well a mix of experience from the team that got them up and have added some real flair in premier league youngesters such as Pritchard and torel who have been brought in to suit a style and formation. Personally think this is where we have let ourselves down we don't seem to have a style a way we like to play and until we find it and can bring players in to suit it we will always be inconsistent.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Mar 4, 2015 12:58:36 GMT 1
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Post by Mirfielder on Mar 4, 2015 13:01:29 GMT 1
Walter,
Sounds like you're quite happy to see Town struggling along around mid to bottom of the table year on year. Well some of us are a little more ambitious in our expectations and realise that if Hoyle was a little more ambitious himself instead of trying to balance the books, there is no reason why we shouldn't be a top half club. All this rubbish about the club having to be self sustaining cannot be applied to running a football club, because it can't be run like any other normal business and the vast majority of club owners will tell you so.
So all I'm asking for is for Hoyle to slacken off the purse strings a little and be prepared to pay higher salaries to attract the quality of players we need to take us to the next level, otherwise it's more of the same I'm afraid in the years to come. If you're happy with this fair enough, but some of us are a little more ambitious regarding Town's future aspirations.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Mar 4, 2015 13:07:35 GMT 1
What made you live in Thurso mate I fell in love with someone more than I love Town.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 13:16:12 GMT 1
Walter, Sounds like you're quite happy to see Town struggling along around mid to bottom of the table year on year. Well some of us are a little more ambitious in our expectations and realise that if Hoyle was a little more ambitious himself instead of trying to balance the books, there is no reason why we shouldn't be a top half club. All this rubbish about the club having to be self sustaining cannot be applied to running a football club, because it can't be run like any other normal business and the vast majority of club owners will tell you so. So all I'm asking for is for Hoyle to slacken off the purse strings a little and be prepared to pay higher salaries to attract the quality of players we need to take us to the next level, otherwise it's more of the same I'm afraid in the years to come. If you're happy with this fair enough, but some of us are a little more ambitious regarding Town's future aspirations. Of course I'm not. I just find it ludicrous that someone could say Hoyle isn't ambitious, that you think losing £8m a year constitutes balancing the books or that the club is currently anywhere near to be self sustaining. We've got to improve, but I don't think it is as simplistic as Hoyle putting more money into it and the history of the Championship for the last few years backs me up on that.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Mar 4, 2015 13:30:18 GMT 1
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Post by rocky on Mar 4, 2015 13:34:21 GMT 1
Walter, Sounds like you're quite happy to see Town struggling along around mid to bottom of the table year on year. Well some of us are a little more ambitious in our expectations and realise that if Hoyle was a little more ambitious himself instead of trying to balance the books, there is no reason why we shouldn't be a top half club. All this rubbish about the club having to be self sustaining cannot be applied to running a football club, because it can't be run like any other normal business and the vast majority of club owners will tell you so. So all I'm asking for is for Hoyle to slacken off the purse strings a little and be prepared to pay higher salaries to attract the quality of players we need to take us to the next level, otherwise it's more of the same I'm afraid in the years to come. If you're happy with this fair enough, but some of us are a little more ambitious regarding Town's future aspirations. Of course I'm not. I just find it ludicrous that someone could say Hoyle isn't ambitious, that you think losing £8m a year constitutes balancing the books or that the club is currently anywhere near to be self sustaining. We've got to improve, but I don't think it is as simplistic as Hoyle putting more money into it and the history of the Championship for the last few years backs me up on that. Walter - It's like banging your head against a brick wall trying to talk rationally to some on here. It's as if some people have got a mental block & are incapable of making sensible comments.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 13:44:06 GMT 1
Of course I'm not. I just find it ludicrous that someone could say Hoyle isn't ambitious, that you think losing £8m a year constitutes balancing the books or that the club is currently anywhere near to be self sustaining. We've got to improve, but I don't think it is as simplistic as Hoyle putting more money into it and the history of the Championship for the last few years backs me up on that. Walter - It's like banging your head against a brick wall trying to talk rationally to some on here. It's as if some people have got a mental block & are incapable of making sensible comments. I know. I just wonder which Huddersfield Town they've been supporting for X years that means mid/lower level Championship football is so unacceptable, or their understanding of the word ambitious.
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Post by jqhtfc on Mar 4, 2015 13:44:14 GMT 1
It's not all about money it's about being clever with recruitment we have shown we can do this the signings in the Clark years like Rhodes, pilkington and even this season with coady, butterfield and the loan of Robinson but we need to see more of it and that may mean loans from the premier league sides if we can do that and find a style and formation to suit then we could be onto a winner. Powell hasn't convinced me that he's any better than what we have had before yet but hopefully the clear out will allow us to bring the quality in the summer that is needed. It's not an impossible task Swansea did it so have Bournemouth and Brentford.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Mar 4, 2015 13:53:31 GMT 1
but some of us are a little more ambitious regarding Town's future aspirations. I think Dean has found his buyers for the club, that is assuming you and "the others" are also willing to pump many million in to match your ambitions.
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Post by Mirfielder on Mar 4, 2015 14:38:14 GMT 1
Hoyle is worth at least double what Boro's Chairman Steve Gibson is worth - so why can't Town match Boro at the very least. After all, Huddersfield is the eleventh largest Town in the UK with a bigger population than Middlesborough. Under Gibson's leadership Boro have performed mainly in The Championship and The Premiership.
I'm afraid it's all about ambition and being prepared to take a gamble, which Gibson certainly does and hence his rewards. In football if you don't speculate you'll never accumulate.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 4, 2015 15:02:55 GMT 1
Walter, More ambitious clubs in the Championship don't sell their Player of the Year and club Captain like Town did last season. Ask yourself where Town are now compared to Boro? It's OK having a tight budget, but if you pay peanuts you only attract monkeys such as Edgar and others etc. As for the financial fair play rules, how many of the current top half dozen clubs are taking any notice of them? Hoyle needs to have a word with Steve Gibson at Boro to see how they manage to attract better quality players and pay them higher salaries, when their average home attendances are only slightly higher than Town's. Finally, if Town had kept hold of Rhodes and Clayton we might have been competing for a top six place, instead of looking over our shoulders and being more concerned with what the likes of Blackpool, Wigan and Millwall are doing. you honestly are living in a fantasy football manager dream world...
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Post by Big Ern on Mar 4, 2015 15:13:39 GMT 1
We would not be losing 8 million a year if we played entertaining football and had better players. It's a viscous circle
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Post by E4b on Mar 4, 2015 16:52:12 GMT 1
We would not be losing 8 million a year if we played entertaining football and had better players. It's a viscous circle We would not be losing 8 million pounds if we didn't give players who are worth a decent fee away for nothing!!!!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 4, 2015 18:26:38 GMT 1
Just shambolic defending. Could of been easily 8
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Post by COWleySHED on Mar 4, 2015 18:37:25 GMT 1
Walter - It's like banging your head against a brick wall trying to talk rationally to some on here. It's as if some people have got a mental block & are incapable of making sensible comments. I know. I just wonder which Huddersfield Town they've been supporting for X years that means mid/lower level Championship football is so unacceptable, or their understanding of the word ambitious. hoyle has lost his ambition in the football world he is simply looking to cost cut and make sure he no longer finances the club on his own. I have no issue with him not spending his 300 million on his love of htfc but the sooner he finds investors the better until then everyone needs to get used to inconsistency and low mid table finishes at best
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 18:56:41 GMT 1
I know. I just wonder which Huddersfield Town they've been supporting for X years that means mid/lower level Championship football is so unacceptable, or their understanding of the word ambitious. hoyle has lost his ambition in the football world he is simply looking to cost cut and make sure he no longer finances the club on his own. I have no issue with him not spending his 300 million on his love of htfc but the sooner he finds investors the better until then everyone needs to get used to inconsistency and low mid table finishes at best Interesting stuff, it sounds like you know Dean Hoyle well. Are you expecting the club to break even this season, then? Throwing money isn't the only way to succeed in the Championship, or any guarantee of improvement, as you can see by some of the clubs below us in the league. You're basically implying like it was great before Hoyle came along and now he's dragged us down to the reaches of the lower mid table Championship.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 5, 2015 19:22:12 GMT 1
We were comprehensively outplayed by a team at a different level to us tonight. Nothing to do with lack of effort or trying. Same as at Bournemouth where we lucky to not be similarly tonked. The made us look very ponderous in defence. They were all over us from start to finish. We aw not really competitive against teams with quality quick players with slick passing and movement like Brentford, Bournemouth, Derby etc. This makes it even more odd picking a team with three very immobile players. If anything, you'd consider playing Coady at CB for one of Wallace or Hudson, rather than still play these and also throw in Edgar. The immobility of the defenders didn't help but really this was more to do with inviting so much pressure on to them - when we should really have been pressing their defenders / midfielders high up the pitch - to test how good they were! Did it once and Bunn scored a blinder - equally as good as their first.
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Post by COWleySHED on Mar 6, 2015 18:27:30 GMT 1
hoyle has lost his ambition in the football world he is simply looking to cost cut and make sure he no longer finances the club on his own. I have no issue with him not spending his 300 million on his love of htfc but the sooner he finds investors the better until then everyone needs to get used to inconsistency and low mid table finishes at best Interesting stuff, it sounds like you know Dean Hoyle well. Are you expecting the club to break even this season, then? Throwing money isn't the only way to succeed in the Championship, or any guarantee of improvement, as you can see by some of the clubs below us in the league. You're basically implying like it was great before Hoyle came along and now he's dragged us down to the reaches of the lower mid table Championship. ha no I am not you clown but I am not up his backside like many on here- he has lost interest in htfc and our first team bench is the most obvious example of this
it is clear he will spending yet more money next year on us when season ticket sales drop due to our lack of signings / boring style of play
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 19:27:52 GMT 1
Interesting stuff, it sounds like you know Dean Hoyle well. Are you expecting the club to break even this season, then? Throwing money isn't the only way to succeed in the Championship, or any guarantee of improvement, as you can see by some of the clubs below us in the league. You're basically implying like it was great before Hoyle came along and now he's dragged us down to the reaches of the lower mid table Championship. ha no I am not you clown but I am not up his backside like many on here- he has lost interest in htfc and our first team bench is the most obvious example of this
it is clear he will spending yet more money next year on us when season ticket sales drop due to our lack of signings / boring style of play
That has fast become the go to phrase on here for anyone backed into a corner and unable to make a counter argument. You then manage to contradict yourself from one sentence to the next - claiming he's lost interest and then that it is clear he'll spend more money next season.
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Post by COWleySHED on Mar 7, 2015 20:12:40 GMT 1
ha no I am not you clown but I am not up his backside like many on here- he has lost interest in htfc and our first team bench is the most obvious example of this
it is clear he will spending yet more money next year on us when season ticket sales drop due to our lack of signings / boring style of play
That has fast become the go to phrase on here for anyone backed into a corner and unable to make a counter argument. You then manage to contradict yourself from one sentence to the next - claiming he's lost interest and then that it is clear he'll spend more money next season. im not backed into a corner todays game proved my point- I am not contradicting myself either he will fail to sell the club so will have to input more money as season ticket sales are going to be at a record championship low
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