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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 4, 2015 16:59:05 GMT 1
So basically what everyone's saying is, that we want the Championship but we're all bored totally shitless at games and the future doesn't look that good and we're all considering not renewing unless the club get their fingers out. Er no that's what you re saying as per usual..... No mate, that's what numerous people gave said, they're bored senseless at games. Fair play on your 50 years, I've just completed 30 years in December 14. Despite what you might think of me, I love this club passionately, it pisses me off just to see us make do and trot out continual excuses as to why we're so crap. You're lucky mate you've seen us in the top flight, many of us on here haven't and I seriously wonder if we ever will.
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Post by townrwe on Mar 4, 2015 17:11:48 GMT 1
There's some weird justifications on this thread I just don't get people moaning about the entertainment I really don't, I don't like watching some of the negative football but this is Town FFS when have any of you had it better in the last 30 years?!?!?! Why the fck would you expect to be entertained by fast attacking football and Town winning week in week out, its never like that at Town and never has been bar a few seasons in the last 50 and you should know by now!!!! I'm a Town *supporter* and I'm there through thick and thin, if there comes a time when I cant due to lack of money, health, other commitments (watching gigs wont be one of them) etc etc etc then I'll pack it in but people giving up cos their team isn't performing week in week out is bizarre to me! I guess there are your devoted season ticket holders and then your fair weathered fans, I think some fans just fall out of love with the club and football in general and get out of the habit which is fair enough but blaming it on the entertainment is total BS imo. That wont put off a serious town supporter but it will put floaters off. The floaters will only come if we're winning a lot and they'd probably be put off again as soon as that stopped. £10 for all and free kids would be a brilliant experiment but you'd still get loads who couldn't be arsed for one reason or another. It will be a smack in the face for Dean for sure if the numbers are disappointing, we're still on course for our highest finish in over 15 years as far as I can tell? When it was a tenner in against Brentford we only got just over 13k. Not sure how it would work but how about £5 off if you take a kid.... £10 off if you take two, kids are obviously free, so it actually pays to bring them along. Sure to increase attendance then + sell more merchandise, food, drinks etc. It would probably bring in more than it cost and result in big attendances, albeit full of young uns.
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Post by kes on Mar 4, 2015 17:19:06 GMT 1
When it was a tenner in against Brentford we only got just over 13k. Not sure how it would work but how about £5 off if you take a kid.... £10 off if you take two, kids are obviously free, so it actually pays to bring them along. Sure to increase attendance then + sell more merchandise, food, drinks etc. It would probably bring in more than it cost and result in big attendances, albeit full of young uns. All seaters stadiums make it a lot more difficult for casual fans to just tag along if you all want to sit together.ST holders don`t like moving seats.
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Post by royrace on Mar 4, 2015 17:30:45 GMT 1
When it was a tenner in against Brentford we only got just over 13k. Not sure how it would work but how about £5 off if you take a kid.... £10 off if you take two, kids are obviously free, so it actually pays to bring them along. Sure to increase attendance then + sell more merchandise, food, drinks etc. It would probably bring in more than it cost and result in big attendances, albeit full of young uns. LOL thats certainly a different approach, could actually be pure genius! Get fans acting as agents paid to bring new blood along whether they like it or not! Thousands of extra fans of the future in attendance at each game plus their responsible adult who might not otherwise make it! I like it You should email Clibbo!
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Post by stevvy on Mar 4, 2015 17:39:05 GMT 1
In answer to the OP, stopped this season (after around 20 years) due to having a baby and it not really being financially viable (otherwise i'd have carried on). Sean Jarvis was asking about ST's last season or in the summer on Twitter and so in a sense I wasn't contacted by the club about why I hadn't renewed, but Sean was aware anyway as I explained why to him on there.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 4, 2015 17:45:01 GMT 1
don't get caught up in the 'you never had it so good' approach.. it was used by politicians when the wages went up but the same standard of living went up a bit more than the wages, it was well hidden for a while but that's what happened..
simply put, we need more people to watch the games and buy into the club..
this wont happen as we are at the moment..
we will stagnate, we already are to some extent..
this will lead to poorer attendances, less invest and relegation..either sooner or later, slow painful exit or next season goes totally tonto..
Those who cant stand the moaning and whingeing(I do neither at the games-no point, waste of energy) will then be able to stand/sit wherever they like to get away from it because the ground will have at least an extra empty third for you to have a laugh with your mates??? by the way, the price to do so wont be noticeably different to now..
up to the club now..sorry but it is..
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 4, 2015 18:31:18 GMT 1
to buy the same amount of stuff cost more than the money you got paid to pay for it....they introduced large scale accessible credit instead... everyone thought it was Christmas every day..
dean paid in a load without charging interest, we spent money on players we shouldn't have given the time of day and we paid wages that were unsustainable on our first division crowds..
now we are where we are.. accessible cheap credit is only good till it stops and you get left with expensive items with long periods left of 'paying them off' and when you do they are worth little or nothing..
its ok selling off the family silver, try selling an old car that's fucked that you paid too much for in the first place and are still paying off the instalments on..
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 4, 2015 18:57:05 GMT 1
What's Harold MacMillan git to do with it?
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Post by terrierpark on Mar 4, 2015 19:34:22 GMT 1
As a young lad back in the days of Buxton i became a Town fan because the team i was introduced to battled hard and entertained. If you were to take 100 10 year olds to the game on Sat I wonder how many lifelong fans we would create? Not many because those that did return would start to fall away watching the dross. I see an increasing target audience of young men probably single with plenty of disposable income who seem to care more for the ale than the football on offer and dont seem to care what the result is so long as they have had a great day out, and i would hazard a guess its those folks that then come on here and moan about those who do complain. Its starting to get me down just thinking of all the things that need sorting out at Town but it seems pretty clear to me that the main factor the man who can change this remains Deano. Its up to him, but he cannot moan at the crowds if the product on offer is substandard. The silence and the cost cutting combined with the lack of transfer activity on incomings speaks volumes. Right now the best part of £25 can provide me with much more than the high probability of feeling like my weekend is ruined again. I honestly believe we will be relegated next season if we continue on the path we are on now.
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Post by terrierng on Mar 4, 2015 19:39:57 GMT 1
we have 9000 st holders. As shown in the HTAFC accounts. Ok then
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Post by howzthat on Mar 4, 2015 19:41:17 GMT 1
Football ....entertainment ....there's as much entertainment on offer in a graveyard currently and this is the reason I will not renew.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 4, 2015 19:42:18 GMT 1
I'm surprised to learn that the club don't follow up on folk who don't renew. If it was my business, I'd want a few well trained staff contacting those customers who didn't renew and a) establishing why thy hadn't renewed and collating the information and b) offering customers encouragement to renew (e.g. this might include more flexibility around payment terms). You'd have to think that some would be retained if they felt more valued as a result of the contact.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 4, 2015 19:52:44 GMT 1
As a young lad back in the days of Buxton i became a Town fan because the team i was introduced to battled hard and entertained. If you were to take 100 10 year olds to the game on Sat I wonder how many lifelong fans we would create? Not many because those that did return would start to fall away watching the dross. I see an increasing target audience of young men probably single with plenty of disposable income who seem to care more for the ale than the football on offer and dont seem to care what the result is so long as they have had a great day out, and i would hazard a guess its those folks that then come on here and moan about those who do complain.Its starting to get me down just thinking of all the things that need sorting out at Town but it seems pretty clear to me that the main factor the man who can change this remains Deano. Its up to him, but he cannot moan at the crowds if the product on offer is substandard. The silence and the cost cutting combined with the lack of transfer activity on incomings speaks volumes. Right now the best part of £25 can provide me with much more than the high probability of feeling like my weekend is ruined again. I honestly believe we will be relegated next season if we continue on the path we are on now. I'm not as young as I was last week but certainly enjoy the social side of football. Having fun and a good drink with like minded folk is a big and enjoyable part of a football day for me. However, I do care about the result and how we play as do all that I attend with. Sometimes the football spoils a good day out and at other times it makes the day even better but we take the ups with the downs and move on to the next one. I moan about those who complain when it borders on constant negativity, endless criticism and personal abuse of players or staff.
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Post by andyeastleake on Mar 4, 2015 21:06:59 GMT 1
EX ST Holder Didn't renew for 3 reasons. Also the club hasn't contacted to ask why, i don't think some of the people at the top would listen if they did. I find it simply breathtaking that the club don't make any contact with Ex-Season Ticket holders about their decision not to renew. Even if the Ex- ST holder couldn't be persuaded to renew (and I'm sure some probably would if the call was handled intelligently by a "fan" who could reminisce about the good times they've had and shared experiences - although that would be tough for the majority of our Board of Directors with one obvious exception), at the very least they would get a greater understanding of why fans don't re-new and could attempt in the future to address the issues (if possible). It seems to me like they're missing out on an excellant market research opportunity from supporters who have previously demonstrated loyalty to the organisation. I bang on a bit about the club forgetting it's a club on occasions, but the other thing that irks me about their approch that they're a busines first & foremost is that they also seem to take so many actions which appear difficult for a business to justify (and this is another prime example). I find it very difficult to avoid reaching the conclusion the poster reached, that there is an unpleasant arrogance about certain board members (this certainly comes across in correspondence/dealings from my unfortunate experience). Plenty of time to get into spats with pre-pubescents on Twitter (apparently) who may not even support Town, but not enough time to make sure a loyal Town fan is contacted to query why they’ve let their season ticket lapse. Very strange & makes little sense (IMHO).
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Post by CleckTownFan on Mar 4, 2015 21:12:11 GMT 1
I'm renewing. I have nothing better to do on a Saturday and, to be honest, I quite like going.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 21:17:04 GMT 1
This will be my second year not renewing, The reason, Wilko's and a door, I found i could spend £5.00 on a small tin of gloss and paint a door a week in my house and watch the paint dry for roughly 2hrs, I get much more pride and satisfaction from that & i save money. Happy days.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 4, 2015 21:25:17 GMT 1
don't get caught up in the 'you never had it so good' approach.. it was used by politicians when the wages went up but the same standard of living went up a bit more than the wages, it was well hidden for a while but that's what happened.. simply put, we need more people to watch the games and buy into the club.. this wont happen as we are at the moment.. we will stagnate, we already are to some extent.. this will lead to poorer attendances, less invest and relegation..either sooner or later, slow painful exit or next season goes totally tonto.. Those who cant stand the moaning and whingeing(I do neither at the games-no point, waste of energy) will then be able to stand/sit wherever they like to get away from it because the ground will have at least an extra empty third for you to have a laugh with your mates??? by the way, the price to do so wont be noticeably different to now.. up to the club now..sorry but it is.. The funny thing is if you look at the average gate from 70-71 when we were in the top flight, its not vastly different to what we get now (17k) the year before when we got promoted form Div 2 (now the Championship )it was only 10k. So its not really up to the club, history shows that there are only so many people in Huddersfield interested in coming to the games. always has been always will be. So can people stop beating the drum about the club having no ambition. It survives for the supporters who follow it, and they are never going to get to the levels that will see the team progress any higher than mid table.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 21:27:13 GMT 1
You should have all known what to expect when the club introduced the 'interest free' option.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 21:46:28 GMT 1
Ex season ticket holder - resented paying the money for something I was beginning to enjoy less and less.
Still turn up for the cheapo games. Will not pay £30 for cat A games.
Lots of other things to do on a Saturday.
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Post by drfootball on Mar 4, 2015 22:01:02 GMT 1
We need players (or a player) that gets people's bums off seats ! I know they don't grow on trees. 4 or 5 years ago when we first started coming me and my then 9 year old son could look forward to Pilko , Gary Roberts , Jordan Rhodes all taking people on and getting the crowd going . I know we have Scannel (when he feels like it ) and Bunn but neither are consistent . Get some players with flair and some fire in their bellies and the crowds will come. Win , lose or draw we just want to be entertained
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Post by Essex Terrier on Mar 4, 2015 22:17:49 GMT 1
I'll be renewing unless the club do something really daft, and they are a well run club so I don't expect that to happen! I go for a number of reasons; In the middle of winter what else are you going to do, chance for a few beers on a Sat afternoon, chance for a chat with a few mates (and Tim too!!), but most of all because we are a well run club, trying hard to build something within our community of which we can all be proud.
I'm in!!
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 4, 2015 22:25:06 GMT 1
We need players (or a player) that gets people's bums off seats ! I know they don't grow on trees. 4 or 5 years ago when we first started coming me and my then 9 year old son could look forward to Pilko , Gary Roberts , Jordan Rhodes all taking people on and getting the crowd going . I know we have Scannel (when he feels like it ) and Bunn but neither are consistent . Get some players with flair and some fire in their bellies and the crowds will come. Win , lose or draw we just want to be entertained I can agree with what you've said and have hopes that Joe Lolley could be that player
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Post by terrierpark on Mar 4, 2015 22:27:06 GMT 1
As a young lad back in the days of Buxton i became a Town fan because the team i was introduced to battled hard and entertained. If you were to take 100 10 year olds to the game on Sat I wonder how many lifelong fans we would create? Not many because those that did return would start to fall away watching the dross. I see an increasing target audience of young men probably single with plenty of disposable income who seem to care more for the ale than the football on offer and dont seem to care what the result is so long as they have had a great day out, and i would hazard a guess its those folks that then come on here and moan about those who do complain.Its starting to get me down just thinking of all the things that need sorting out at Town but it seems pretty clear to me that the main factor the man who can change this remains Deano. Its up to him, but he cannot moan at the crowds if the product on offer is substandard. The silence and the cost cutting combined with the lack of transfer activity on incomings speaks volumes. Right now the best part of £25 can provide me with much more than the high probability of feeling like my weekend is ruined again. I honestly believe we will be relegated next season if we continue on the path we are on now. I'm not as young as I was last week but certainly enjoy the social side of football. Having fun and a good drink with like minded folk is a big and enjoyable part of a football day for me. However, I do care about the result and how we play as do all that I attend with. Sometimes the football spoils a good day out and at other times it makes the day even better but we take the ups with the downs and move on to the next one. I moan about those who complain when it borders on constant negativity, endless criticism and personal abuse of players or staff. That excludes me then
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 4, 2015 22:32:14 GMT 1
Strange reading all the comments about poor entertainment and boredom. I don't go every week, but must be lucky, because apart from bournmouth, every game I've been to this season has been far better to watch than many a year I can rembember, with maybe the exception of Clarke's first season. Middlesbrough, Bolton, Brentford, Blackpool, Watford, reading, even wigan and brighton.
Hence I have come over more often than recent years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 22:39:30 GMT 1
We need players (or a player) that gets people's bums off seats ! I know they don't grow on trees. 4 or 5 years ago when we first started coming me and my then 9 year old son could look forward to Pilko , Gary Roberts , Jordan Rhodes all taking people on and getting the crowd going . I know we have Scannel (when he feels like it ) and Bunn but neither are consistent . Get some players with flair and some fire in their bellies and the crowds will come. Win , lose or draw we just want to be entertained I can agree with what you've said and have hopes that Joe Lolley could be that player I saw joe lolley in Morrisons in Elland today.....
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 4, 2015 22:49:11 GMT 1
I can agree with what you've said and have hopes that Joe Lolley could be that player I saw joe lolley in Morrisons in Elland today..... Bet he outpaced you down the aisles!
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 4, 2015 22:50:10 GMT 1
I'm not as young as I was last week but certainly enjoy the social side of football. Having fun and a good drink with like minded folk is a big and enjoyable part of a football day for me. However, I do care about the result and how we play as do all that I attend with. Sometimes the football spoils a good day out and at other times it makes the day even better but we take the ups with the downs and move on to the next one. I moan about those who complain when it borders on constant negativity, endless criticism and personal abuse of players or staff. That excludes me then Which bit? Enjoying the social side?
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Post by dyhterrier on Mar 4, 2015 23:00:14 GMT 1
I saw joe lolley in Morrisons in Elland today..... Bet he outpaced you down the aisles! More likely sat near the till for 87 minutes then made his way to pay
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 23:00:47 GMT 1
There's some weird justifications on this thread I just don't get people moaning about the entertainment I really don't, I don't like watching some of the negative football but this is Town FFS when have any of you had it better in the last 30 years?!?!?! Why the fck would you expect to be entertained by fast attacking football and Town winning week in week out, its never like that at Town and never has been bar a few seasons in the last 50 and you should know by now!!!! I'm a Town *supporter* and I'm there through thick and thin, if there comes a time when I cant due to lack of money, health, other commitments (watching gigs wont be one of them) etc etc etc then I'll pack it in but people giving up cos their team isn't performing week in week out is bizarre to me! I guess there are your devoted season ticket holders and then your fair weathered fans, I think some fans just fall out of love with the club and football in general and get out of the habit which is fair enough but blaming it on the entertainment is total BS imo. That wont put off a serious town supporter but it will put floaters off. The floaters will only come if we're winning a lot and they'd probably be put off again as soon as that stopped. £10 for all and free kids would be a brilliant experiment but you'd still get loads who couldn't be arsed for one reason or another. It will be a smack in the face for Dean for sure if the numbers are disappointing, we're still on course for our highest finish in over 15 years as far as I can tell? When it was a tenner in against Brentford we only got just over 13k.
And when it was £20 against Reading we got under 7000 ?
So the £10 ticket seemed to have done the trick... attracting at least 4000 paying customers beyond the cash already accounted for in season ticket sales, whereas for all we know, NOBODY might have paid on the door to watch Reading.
Of course, I'm being facetious, you can't compare one game and a price against another, otherwise we'd be pointing out Charlton getting 24000 through the door at £5...or Bradford angrily selling out cup games at £15.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 23:12:41 GMT 1
Interesting and reasonable moans on this thread. The thing is, what can the club DO to reverse the trend?
You can't just magic up entertaining football, an awesome atmosphere, and a world class event attendance experience that people are compelled to attend overnight, especially when you're losing £5m a year.
I don't know the answers, although I could think of a few difficult suggestions that I wouldn't write down on here as they wouldn't be fair to people whose job it is. And most importantly, I don't really know what could be done that would encouraged me as what I would now class as an "occasional supporter" to come more often, spend money outside of the core ticket price (on merchandise, food, programmes, whatever), and be actively engaged with the club and effectively resell it to others....(I USED to invite a few Liverpool, Man City and Leeds supporting mates along to a couple of games a year and "show off" the club, and we'd have a day out of it, but we've not done that for about 4 seasons now)... and eventually become a possible future returning season ticket holder.
So what would Mary Portas or Gordon Ramsey do?
Or... do we write me off as a lost customer, and target some NEW potential ticket buyer?? As someone wrote elsewhere, people stop attending and people start attending all the time. The only difference since 1990 and earlier is that those that have stopped attending still have a voice.
Maybe Sky and the Premier League didn't spoil the game, maybe the popular growth of the internet did?
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