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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 23:58:30 GMT 1
Had he seen his contract out, he would have been playing in the Championship with Town the following season, so all we had to do to keep him happy was to match his £2 million salary and sit back and watch him score almost 80 Championship league goals for us instead of Blackburn. And where would Town be right now with his goals? - up top chasing a play-off place, that's where. I'm sorry but I'm lost for words at the stupidity of some people at times. It's amazing. Keep a player that wants to leave. Sure he will score 40 goals. Lol
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Mar 16, 2015 10:43:49 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 10:43:49 GMT 1
I give up - It sounds like you lot are more than happy for Town continuing to flog off all our better players (Rhodes, Pilkington, Captain Clayton etc etc.) to the highest bidder and replacing them generally with crap. If this policy continues we will never be anything but a bottom half side struggling year on year until our luck finally runs out and we end up back in league One.
The academy is another waste of space and money which has produced nothing of much note over the years and even it did, no doubt they would be flogged off at the earliest opportunity.
So if you lot are quite happy with this scenario so be it, but I'm not and Town need to have a re-think from the top down, otherwise I see no end to our current plight of being perennial strugglers.
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Post by calken on Mar 16, 2015 10:50:13 GMT 1
You appear to assume that all players just play for money. Whether we like it or not, Blackburn have a far better recent history than us by a country mile.
If I hated where I worked and wanted to go elsewhere, it wouldn't matter how much more money they paid me because I'd still be miserable. Money can't make me be enthused about leaping out of bed to go to work and going that extra mile if my heart's not in it.
Rhodes did not want to play for the club, which is fair enough, we sold him, made some money.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 16, 2015 10:50:29 GMT 1
I give up - It sounds like you lot are more than happy for Town continuing to flog off all our better players (Rhodes, Pilkington, Captain Clayton etc etc.) to the highest bidder and replacing them generally with crap. If this policy continues we will never be anything but a bottom half side struggling year on year until our luck finally runs out and we end up back in league One. The academy is another waste of space and money which has produced nothing of much note over the years and even it did, no doubt they would be flogged off at the earliest opportunity. So if you lot are quite happy with this scenario so be it, but I'm not and Town need to have a re-think from the top down, otherwise I see no end to our current plight of being perennial strugglers. Promise promises
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Mar 16, 2015 10:58:20 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 10:58:20 GMT 1
Typical Town fan - happy to settle for second best.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 16, 2015 11:02:44 GMT 1
Typical Town fan - happy to settle for second best. I thought you'd given up
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Post by leroy212 on Mar 16, 2015 11:03:03 GMT 1
People are not settling for second best. If a player wants to leave, let them leave. Its a fact that Rhodes said he never wanted to play for town again. Ref pilkington, dean has said he would never stand in way of a players career advancing, hence why he was sold to Norwich
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Post by wtd on Mar 16, 2015 11:31:08 GMT 1
I give up - It sounds like you lot are more than happy for Town continuing to flog off all our better players (Rhodes, Pilkington, Captain Clayton etc etc.) to the highest bidder and replacing them generally with crap. If this policy continues we will never be anything but a bottom half side struggling year on year until our luck finally runs out and we end up back in league One. The academy is another waste of space and money which has produced nothing of much note over the years and even it did, no doubt they would be flogged off at the earliest opportunity. So if you lot are quite happy with this scenario so be it, but I'm not and Town need to have a re-think from the top down, otherwise I see no end to our current plight of being perennial strugglers. And who pays for implementing your way of thinking? Please answer that!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 11:35:53 GMT 1
I give up - It sounds like you lot are more than happy for Town continuing to flog off all our better players (Rhodes, Pilkington, Captain Clayton etc etc.) to the highest bidder and replacing them generally with crap. If this policy continues we will never be anything but a bottom half side struggling year on year until our luck finally runs out and we end up back in league One. The academy is another waste of space and money which has produced nothing of much note over the years and even it did, no doubt they would be flogged off at the earliest opportunity. So if you lot are quite happy with this scenario so be it, but I'm not and Town need to have a re-think from the top down, otherwise I see no end to our current plight of being perennial strugglers. I really don't think you understand how football works.
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Mar 16, 2015 13:12:49 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 13:12:49 GMT 1
Boro's owner Steve Gibson understands how football works and so do I. Under Gibson's ownership they moved into a new ground and have spent all their years since either in the Premiership, or Championship and are currently sitting pretty for a return back to the Premiership and the £150 million windfall that comes with it.
Gibson's net worth is around half that of our owner, so if he can consistently do it for Boro, why can't Town's owner do it for us? The fact that we sold our Captain and player of the year to Boro says it all for me. It's all about ambition and taking a punt instead of always trying to balance the books with all this self sustaining crap. It's no wonder we've had four Manager's in quick succession, because non of them could make the owners vision work in practice, even though they initially appeared to buy into it to land the job in the first place.
No doubt when the powers that be read what I've said above, they'll ban me again from this site?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 13:28:31 GMT 1
Boro's owner Steve Gibson understands how football works and so do I. Under Gibson's ownership they moved into a new ground and have spent all their years since either in the Premiership, or Championship and are currently sitting pretty for a return back to the Premiership and the £150 million windfall that comes with it. Gibson's net worth is around half that of our owner, so if he can consistently do it for Boro, why can't Town's owner do it for us? The fact that we sold our Captain and player of the year to Boro says it all for me. It's all about ambition and taking a punt instead of always trying to balance the books with all this self sustaining crap. It's no wonder we've had four Manager's in quick succession, because non of them could make the owners vision work in practice, even though they initially appeared to buy into it to land the job in the first place. No doubt when the powers that be read what I've said above, they'll ban me again from this site? Basically, you don't think that £30m is enough of Hoyle's money and want him to put in even more. In what sort of world is £8m losses every year (which is what we've done the last couple) self sustaining? Like us, over the last few seasons Middlesbrough have sold their best players, just the same as virtually every other club in the country. Also, Clayton wasn't our captain.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 13:30:50 GMT 1
Boro's owner Steve Gibson understands how football works and so do I. Under Gibson's ownership they moved into a new ground and have spent all their years since either in the Premiership, or Championship and are currently sitting pretty for a return back to the Premiership and the £150 million windfall that comes with it. Gibson's net worth is around half that of our owner, so if he can consistently do it for Boro, why can't Town's owner do it for us? The fact that we sold our Captain and player of the year to Boro says it all for me. It's all about ambition and taking a punt instead of always trying to balance the books with all this self sustaining crap. It's no wonder we've had four Manager's in quick succession, because non of them could make the owners vision work in practice, even though they initially appeared to buy into it to land the job in the first place. No doubt when the powers that be read what I've said above, they'll ban me again from this site? Steve Gibson is gambling on promotion to the premier league, after years of building stability at this level. The club are still operating at massive losses though, unsustainable over the long term. We aren't ready for a tilt at the premier league yet, we might never be, but to expect the owner to finance an unrealistic bid for a top 2 place at this stage, shows you know less than you think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 13:56:20 GMT 1
Boro's owner Steve Gibson understands how football works and so do I. Under Gibson's ownership they moved into a new ground and have spent all their years since either in the Premiership, or Championship and are currently sitting pretty for a return back to the Premiership and the £150 million windfall that comes with it. Gibson's net worth is around half that of our owner, so if he can consistently do it for Boro, why can't Town's owner do it for us? The fact that we sold our Captain and player of the year to Boro says it all for me. It's all about ambition and taking a punt instead of always trying to balance the books with all this self sustaining crap. It's no wonder we've had four Manager's in quick succession, because non of them could make the owners vision work in practice, even though they initially appeared to buy into it to land the job in the first place. No doubt when the powers that be read what I've said above, they'll ban me again from this site? The same middlesborough who are ex premier league? Also with about 7 Chelsea players on loan... You're blaming the club for lack of ambition because they didn't keep Rhodes when HE wanted to leave. Blackburn offered silly money, we HAD to take it. What else could Dean do? Keep him for the remainder of his contract and watch Rhodes sulk? He would have given less than a 100% so what's the point in not cashing in? You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The club did the right thing, same with Hunt and Pilkington.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 16, 2015 14:09:54 GMT 1
Is Rhodes' dad still at sheff wed?
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Post by Amigo on Mar 16, 2015 14:26:30 GMT 1
Boro's owner Steve Gibson understands how football works and so do I. Under Gibson's ownership they moved into a new ground and have spent all their years since either in the Premiership, or Championship and are currently sitting pretty for a return back to the Premiership and the £150 million windfall that comes with it. Gibson's net worth is around half that of our owner, so if he can consistently do it for Boro, why can't Town's owner do it for us? The fact that we sold our Captain and player of the year to Boro says it all for me. It's all about ambition and taking a punt instead of always trying to balance the books with all this self sustaining crap. It's no wonder we've had four Manager's in quick succession, because non of them could make the owners vision work in practice, even though they initially appeared to buy into it to land the job in the first place. No doubt when the powers that be read what I've said above, they'll ban me again from this site? Gibson that sold Bennett, Jones, Wheater, Downing, Huth, Tuncay, Johnson, Cattermole, Young, Yakubu, Woodgate etc for big profits? Aye, good one. Edit. I'm not having a pop at Gibson he's just doing what every other chairman/knowledgeable football person would do.
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Post by AndySk on Mar 16, 2015 14:37:16 GMT 1
I always like it when people's solutions are spend a shit load of someone else's money, even if it risks the future of the club. But we might have one or two good seasons possibly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 14:43:38 GMT 1
I always like it when people's solutions are spend a shit load of someone else's money, even if it risks the future of the club. But we might have one or two good seasons possibly. That's the answer to the whiners. Dean isn't spending enough of his money.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 14:45:25 GMT 1
What's worse if the whiners think the answer is "if Dean doesn't spend more I am not buying another ticket".
He is already propping the club up to the tune of millions per year but it's not enough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 14:48:53 GMT 1
I always like it when people's solutions are spend a shit load of someone else's money, even if it risks the future of the club. But we might have one or two good seasons possibly. The 'Bradford City' model.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 16, 2015 14:51:34 GMT 1
you have got to have one or two good seasons at least to grow the fan base..which is what we require more than anything at the moment..
catch 22 situation..
difficult because you just cant calculate how much extra support would attend and how long it might stay around..
balancing the books, or trying to, is just as hard because you cant calculate how much support you will lose and how long you might go on losing it for..
guess its safer to go with the 2nd option because you can just keep cutting as the revenue gets less..cut out anything other than shorter contracts for players and constantly look to move players on who show even a little promise/profit..
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Mar 16, 2015 14:51:59 GMT 1
Post by AndySk on Mar 16, 2015 14:51:59 GMT 1
I always like it when people's solutions are spend a shit load of someone else's money, even if it risks the future of the club. But we might have one or two good seasons possibly. The 'Bradford City' model. I just realised i was in fact describing Arry Redknapp
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Mar 16, 2015 15:01:47 GMT 1
Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 16, 2015 15:01:47 GMT 1
arry, could never have enough money..then there is the injuries and the 'quality' players throwing thrombies? ?? He had a very hard job.. I guess as he cant count he probably has the excuse that he didn't know what he was spending??? when his squad reached the same size as an American football teams he had long since run out of fingers and toes?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Mar 16, 2015 15:10:37 GMT 1
you have got to have one or two good seasons at least to grow the fan base..which is what we require more than anything at the moment.. catch 22 situation.. difficult because you just cant calculate how much extra support would attend and how long it might stay around.. balancing the books, or trying to, is just as hard because you cant calculate how much support you will lose and how long you might go on losing it for.. guess its safer to go with the 2nd option because you can just keep cutting as the revenue gets less..cut out anything other than shorter contracts for players and constantly look to move players on who show even a little promise/profit.. Much as it would be great to have a good season or two, all the increase in crowds would do is temporarily relieve the accumulating debt as the new "fans" are, by the criteria you put forward, fickle by definition. Town has to budget against their core revenue streams over several seasons and any increase is a bonus (and a bloody cup run, please!) Despite the cry babies on here (obviously, some are through personal circumstances) threatening or actually not renewing season cards, the variation from the mean is still going to be relatively minor. BUT, given these circumstances, it is incumbent upon the management of the club to overcome the financial constraints and start punching above their weight. That will define and deliver progress. We've had the infrastructure revolution now; some tangible returns need to be showing through pretty soon if it isn't all going to look like jam tomorrow. Some of us are more patient than others, and can see a bigger picture beyond the results of a few weeks, but we need to develop a playing philosophy which starts to look a lot braver next season.
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Mar 16, 2015 15:27:51 GMT 1
Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Mar 16, 2015 15:27:51 GMT 1
Surely the only time any top player might consider playing for town would be if they got promoted into the Premier league. Money money money is all what players are interested in these days , and any loyalty turned to serious greed around the time when sky and agents became involved in football.
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Post by wtd on Mar 16, 2015 17:23:18 GMT 1
Boro's owner Steve Gibson understands how football works and so do I. Under Gibson's ownership they moved into a new ground and have spent all their years since either in the Premiership, or Championship and are currently sitting pretty for a return back to the Premiership and the £150 million windfall that comes with it. Gibson's net worth is around half that of our owner, so if he can consistently do it for Boro, why can't Town's owner do it for us? The fact that we sold our Captain and player of the year to Boro says it all for me. It's all about ambition and taking a punt instead of always trying to balance the books with all this self sustaining crap. It's no wonder we've had four Manager's in quick succession, because non of them could make the owners vision work in practice, even though they initially appeared to buy into it to land the job in the first place. No doubt when the powers that be read what I've said above, they'll ban me again from this site? The arrogance of this is mind-blowing. Who are you to tell someone else what they should be spending?
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Mar 17, 2015 17:47:50 GMT 1
If we buy him back do we get a percentage of that fee back.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Mar 17, 2015 21:32:32 GMT 1
If we buy him back do we get a percentage of that fee back. Only 20% of any profit
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Post by netterriers4 on Mar 18, 2015 1:02:40 GMT 1
Boro's owner Steve Gibson understands how football works and so do I. Under Gibson's ownership they moved into a new ground and have spent all their years since either in the Premiership, or Championship and are currently sitting pretty for a return back to the Premiership and the £150 million windfall that comes with it. Gibson's net worth is around half that of our owner, so if he can consistently do it for Boro, why can't Town's owner do it for us? The fact that we sold our Captain and player of the year to Boro says it all for me. It's all about ambition and taking a punt instead of always trying to balance the books with all this self sustaining crap. It's no wonder we've had four Manager's in quick succession, because non of them could make the owners vision work in practice, even though they initially appeared to buy into it to land the job in the first place. No doubt when the powers that be read what I've said above, they'll ban me again from this site? The arrogance of this is mind-blowing. Who are you to tell someone else what they should be spending? And Boros crowds are how big exactly? And how much income did they derive from those years at the top level? What utter nonsense.
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Post by impact on Mar 18, 2015 1:09:56 GMT 1
He's crap, all he does is score goals. Give me Alan Lee over him any day. At least he jumps.
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Post by borofanwithaquestion on Mar 18, 2015 10:27:10 GMT 1
Boro's owner Steve Gibson understands how football works and so do I. Under Gibson's ownership they moved into a new ground and have spent all their years since either in the Premiership, or Championship and are currently sitting pretty for a return back to the Premiership and the £150 million windfall that comes with it. Gibson's net worth is around half that of our owner, so if he can consistently do it for Boro, why can't Town's owner do it for us? The fact that we sold our Captain and player of the year to Boro says it all for me. It's all about ambition and taking a punt instead of always trying to balance the books with all this self sustaining crap. It's no wonder we've had four Manager's in quick succession, because non of them could make the owners vision work in practice, even though they initially appeared to buy into it to land the job in the first place. No doubt when the powers that be read what I've said above, they'll ban me again from this site? The same middlesborough who are ex premier league? Also with about 7 Chelsea players on loan... You're blaming the club for lack of ambition because they didn't keep Rhodes when HE wanted to leave. Blackburn offered silly money, we HAD to take it. What else could Dean do? Keep him for the remainder of his contract and watch Rhodes sulk? He would have given less than a 100% so what's the point in not cashing in? You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The club did the right thing, same with Hunt and Pilkington. 3 Chelsea players on loan Utilising the loan market is the way forward in this league, the sooner your chairman realises this and makes connections with some good PL clubs the sooner you'll make progress in this league. And before people say that our link is only because of our current manager, our link with chelsea was developed before Karanka was even in the job, he just made it stronger.
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