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Post by uw2ba on Mar 18, 2015 0:29:00 GMT 1
I'm sorry to say it but he stood out like a sore thumb tonight, constantly losing the ball and players turning him at ease, can't fault his effort but he was definitely the weak link tonight,he lost the ball for Norwich's first equaliser. Doesn't look confident, Tommy Smith looked far more comfortable when he went there when Carroll was subbed. Brilliant effort from everyone tonight though, didn't stop pressing and running
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 0:31:56 GMT 1
Carroll was garbage.
Bet Wright/Boyle would've been much better.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 18, 2015 0:34:14 GMT 1
Couldn't even get close enough to foul redmond. A rabbit in the headlights performance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 0:35:29 GMT 1
Carroll was garbage. Bet Wright/Boyle would've been much better. much better? I doubt it. I doubt they'd have even been better. How about we acknowledge that he was up against a very good player tonight, and that he found it difficult at times. He wasn't garbage, none of them were.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Mar 18, 2015 0:36:13 GMT 1
It was tough on the lad who was up against a very good player, but he was woefully short.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 18, 2015 0:53:54 GMT 1
He was up against an exceptional player to be fair, but he really did look totally out of his depth. Not just in his attempts to cope with Redmond, but in his complete lack of ability when he actually had the ball.
Poor management by Powell IMO because it was as obvious as it possibly could be that he was really struggling . Should have been replaced long before he was but Powell waited and waited until they equalised from, no surprise, a mistake by carroll. As soon as he made the change, Norwich stopped killing us down that flank.
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Post by netterriers4 on Mar 18, 2015 0:57:15 GMT 1
The first Narrrrich goal came from his shocking touch when he intercepted the ball on the halfway line.
Shame for the lad - but I do have to say he didn't get much help at times, was left awfully isolated.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 18, 2015 1:18:17 GMT 1
He was up against an exceptional player to be fair, but he really did look totally out of his depth. Not just in his attempts to cope with Redmond, but in his complete lack of ability when he actually had the ball. Poor management by Powell IMO because it was as obvious as it possibly could be that he was really struggling . Should have been replaced long before he was but Powell waited and waited until they equalised from, no surprise, a mistake by carroll. As soon as he made the change, Norwich stopped killing us down that flank. Spot on! He did ok in the first half but had a mare in the second. I felt sorry for him as he was up against it but he should have been subbed earlier. Smith made a big difference when he took his position.
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Post by bootsywf4 on Mar 18, 2015 1:19:16 GMT 1
Poor lad was totally out of his depth,bad decision by powell to play him,when robo got injured he should have raided the loan market..My match of the season tnite,playing 12 men all night brilliant performance.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 18, 2015 2:05:25 GMT 1
got left in no mans land covering two, redmond and whittaker... whittaker isn't a full back in their system, spare man for a lot of the game, got carroll in 2 minds too often...not his fault..
im glad to say they gave it away as much as we did..they move it quick time and quite often its just too quick..thankfully..
also glad to say that houlihan was on the bench... the ex leeds lad is strong but not as clever as houlihan..
howson is still a twat..
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 18, 2015 7:20:07 GMT 1
I commented on it in the match thread but didn't want to start a thread on it as it felt cruel.. He's patently out of his depth... I'm not having the " he was up against Redmond " argument ... He would have struggled against junior Mendes .. The fact powell was prepared to put smith left back and bring Edgar on says it all.. I'd be surprised if he starts another game
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Post by htfc63 on Mar 18, 2015 7:41:12 GMT 1
I felt sorry for the guy as he was left isolated with two players to mark however his first touch and positional play need to be worked on if he is to have aspirations of playing at this level. I don't think we hardly got a tackle in on Redmond who was the catalyst for many of their good moves. All in all though I was thoroughly entertained by a great display and would have taken a point before the game.
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 18, 2015 7:53:01 GMT 1
I'm not sticking up for him cos he was awful but surely our ex England left back manager must have known he'd struggle but chose to not have anyone in front of him to help
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 18, 2015 8:30:18 GMT 1
I commented on it in the match thread but didn't want to start a thread on it as it felt cruel.. He's patently out of his depth... I'm not having the " he was up against Redmond " argument ... He would have struggled against junior Mendes .. The fact powell was prepared to put smith left back and bring Edgar on says it all.. I'd be surprised if he starts another game I sent a text after about 10 mins saying he looked lost, but you have to admit being up against Redmond made it look even worse. However, I also wouldn't be surprised if he didn't play for us again.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 18, 2015 8:40:52 GMT 1
I commented on it in the match thread but didn't want to start a thread on it as it felt cruel.. He's patently out of his depth... I'm not having the " he was up against Redmond " argument ... He would have struggled against junior Mendes .. The fact powell was prepared to put smith left back and bring Edgar on says it all.. I'd be surprised if he starts another game He seemed very meek, don't think he's got the fire and the pride to make it as a footballer, especially a defender. If you're getting absolutely rinsed by your winger you at least leave one on him to let him know he's in a game. Several times the ball was played slow in to redmond with his back to goal in their half and he just let him turn rather than get a challenge in. As soon as smith was moved over he got tight and pushed him back.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 18, 2015 9:04:15 GMT 1
I'm sorry to say it but he stood out like a sore thumb tonight, constantly losing the ball and players turning him at ease, can't fault his effort but he was definitely the weak link tonight,he lost the ball for Norwich's first equaliser. Doesn't look confident, Tommy Smith looked far more comfortable when he went there when Carroll was subbed. Brilliant effort from everyone tonight though, didn't stop pressing and running give it a rest, redmond must be one of the best attacking players in the entire division, would like to see you up against him!
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Post by swissterrier on Mar 18, 2015 9:07:36 GMT 1
Interesting, damned when we play young players, damned if we don't.
Are we truly only going to let players have one attempt to make an impact before writing them off as NFG?
Should a better response have been that some of the "more experienced players" try to help him whilst he found his feet?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 18, 2015 9:09:09 GMT 1
I'm sorry to say it but he stood out like a sore thumb tonight, constantly losing the ball and players turning him at ease, can't fault his effort but he was definitely the weak link tonight,he lost the ball for Norwich's first equaliser. Doesn't look confident, Tommy Smith looked far more comfortable when he went there when Carroll was subbed. Brilliant effort from everyone tonight though, didn't stop pressing and running give it a rest, redmond must be one of the best attacking players in the entire division, would like to see you up against him! Teddy the fact that butchers bakers and candlestick makers would fail to do better is a bit irrelevant surely ? Their first goal came directly from Carroll not having the ability to be able to control a football... That was nothing to do with Redmond
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 18, 2015 9:14:30 GMT 1
give it a rest, redmond must be one of the best attacking players in the entire division, would like to see you up against him! Teddy the fact that butchers bakers and candlestick makers would fail to do better is a bit irrelevant surely ? Their first goal came directly from Carroll not having the ability to be able to control a football... That was nothing to do with Redmond yeah he fucked up but for a lad that's been applying his trade at Bury and Partick Thistle over the past two seasons i didnt think he did that bad against arguable a Premier League Team with plenty of attacking options going forward last night! I know Dixon has left the club but Carroll is practically the third choice left back, he did the best he could! Wont make it at town, but who else could have played left back? Smith didn't exactly have a stormer when he switched over to the left!
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 18, 2015 9:18:04 GMT 1
Teddy the fact that butchers bakers and candlestick makers would fail to do better is a bit irrelevant surely ? Their first goal came directly from Carroll not having the ability to be able to control a football... That was nothing to do with Redmond yeah he fucked up but for a lad that's been applying his trade at Bury and Partick Thistle over the past two seasons i didnt think he did that bad against arguable a Premier League Team with plenty of attacking options going forward last night! I know Dixon has left the club but Carroll is practically the third choice left back, he did the best he could! Wont make it at town, but who else could have played left back? Smith didn't exactly have a stormer when he switched over to the left! Smith was a million times better than Caroll at left back.
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 18, 2015 9:22:11 GMT 1
Interesting, damned when we play young players, damned if we don't. Are we truly only going to let players have one attempt to make an impact before writing them off as NFG? Should a better response have been that some of the "more experienced players" try to help him whilst he found his feet? This. Too many bloody experts on here harp on about not giving the youth a chance and not putting round pegs in round holes etc. etc. Then when we do, it's bad management and the player should never play again. The guy has obviously got the ability or he would not have been brought to the club. But the difference between having the ability and being able to produce it on demand at this level are two different things. It maybe nerves, ( not surprising knowing how some in the crowd are quick to jump on every mistake ) it might be an off day, but deciding he is no good after last night is premature. Anyone watching the town for the first time v Rotherham would probably choose never to any of the team ever again, and Robinson didn't look much kop at first, but we know different now. Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 18, 2015 9:26:22 GMT 1
Interesting, damned when we play young players, damned if we don't. Are we truly only going to let players have one attempt to make an impact before writing them off as NFG? Should a better response have been that some of the "more experienced players" try to help him whilst he found his feet? Swiss Jake Carroll is 23 years old.. I'm not criticising the lad... He tries his hardest and that's all you can ask.. But he's not good enough...we thought he might be when we signed him.. But he isn't .. Teddy ..as eight ball said Tommy Smith (who lets be straight isn't a great right back at this level ) did a massively better job at left back than Carroll ... I'm all for blooding youngsters Swiss.. But it was apparent 18 months ago when he was in the first team that he wasn't good enough.. Since then he has been on loan at lowlier clubs and they've sent him back...
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 18, 2015 9:27:21 GMT 1
Interesting, damned when we play young players, damned if we don't. Are we truly only going to let players have one attempt to make an impact before writing them off as NFG? Should a better response have been that some of the "more experienced players" try to help him whilst he found his feet? This. Too many bloody experts on here harp on about not giving the youth a chance and not putting round pegs in round holes etc. etc. Then when we do, it's bad management and the player should never play again. The guy has obviously got the ability or he would not have been brought to the club. But the difference between having the ability and being able to produce it on demand at this level are two different things. It maybe nerves, ( not surprising knowing how some in the crowd are quick to jump on every mistake ) it might be an off day, but deciding he is no good after last night is premature. Anyone watching the town for the first time v Rotherham would probably choose never to any of the team ever again, and Robinson didn't look much kop at first, but we know different now. Sent from my HTC One mini 2 using proboards I'm assuming you didn't go last night... Oh and he's 23
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Post by figo on Mar 18, 2015 9:32:43 GMT 1
I fully expected Carroll to remain in the dressing room at half time totally out of his depth, but, there has to be some questions asked of CP, we didnt (as has often been the case this season) start with a left sided midfielder, we slide our midfield as required - with Scans holding a left wing / sided position. not too bad when Robinson is left back, because he is excellent - but young Jake was woefully exposed, and sadly didn't cope well. We will have scouted Norwich, and an easy early solution would have been to switch Snacs over for a bit of conver in front of JC, and to give them something to concentrate on - but the one thing you can do, is battle for you team, and he didnt do that, he was like a rabbit in the headlights. Lots of players have failings, and will all come up against someone better - but to roll over and give in is not too promising.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 18, 2015 9:32:55 GMT 1
Interesting, damned when we play young players, damned if we don't. Are we truly only going to let players have one attempt to make an impact before writing them off as NFG? Should a better response have been that some of the "more experienced players" try to help him whilst he found his feet? Swiss Jake Carroll is 23 years old.. I'm not criticising the lad... He tries his hardest and that's all you can ask.. But he's not good enough...we thought he might be when we signed him.. But he isn't .. Teddy ..as eight ball said Tommy Smith (who lets be straight isn't a great right back at this level ) did a massively better job at left back than Carroll ... I'm all for blooding youngsters Swiss.. But it was apparent 18 months ago when he was in the first team that he wasn't good enough.. Since then he has been on loan at lowlier clubs and they've sent him back... im not disagreeing with you, i dont think he is good enough at this level, but currently he is the only fit left back at the club, for me they should have kept hold of Dixon until the end of the season! but hes the best weve got while robinson is out injured im afraid! id expect him to start against Fulham too!
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Post by bridgeterrier on Mar 18, 2015 9:33:14 GMT 1
The poor lad did the best he could against a very good player, as somebody else has pointed out he was at the start of the season our third choice left back. Maybe when Dixon was released we should've gone and got a more experienced player to cover at left back on loan...you know like the club was talking about after the January transfer window shut but didn't do anything.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 18, 2015 9:35:32 GMT 1
Swiss Jake Carroll is 23 years old.. I'm not criticising the lad... He tries his hardest and that's all you can ask.. But he's not good enough...we thought he might be when we signed him.. But he isn't .. Teddy ..as eight ball said Tommy Smith (who lets be straight isn't a great right back at this level ) did a massively better job at left back than Carroll ... I'm all for blooding youngsters Swiss.. But it was apparent 18 months ago when he was in the first team that he wasn't good enough.. Since then he has been on loan at lowlier clubs and they've sent him back... im not disagreeing with you, i dont think he is good enough at this level, but currently he is the only fit left back at the club, for me they should have kept hold of Dixon until the end of the season! but hes the best weve got while robinson is out injured im afraid! id expect him to start against Fulham too! I'd be amazed if he started Carroll against Fulham ... Why do you think he switched Smith over ? To ge Edgar's quality into the field ? Of course not.. It was because Carroll at left back wasn't working and powell was desperate to get him off
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Post by Amigo on Mar 18, 2015 9:59:07 GMT 1
I don't think he's up to it but it's not fair to judge him on last night, he wouldn't come up against a better player at this level if he played all season. I didn't think he gave in at all he kept plugging away and working hard there was just a big difference in quality between him and Redmond but he could've been helped more at times by his team mates.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 18, 2015 10:06:07 GMT 1
I don't think he's up to it but it's not fair to judge him on last night, he wouldn't come up against a better player at this level if he played all season. I didn't think he gave in at all he kept plugging away and working hard there was just a big difference in quality between him and Redmond but he could've been helped more at times by his team mates. In the first half coady and especially hogg were very quick doubling up on redmond but as we were playing a 'floating' left mid ie. no left mid that couldn't happen every time. Not sure how much encouragement he got from his team mates but they helped him out on the pitch plenty.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 18, 2015 10:11:27 GMT 1
Ok lets not judge him on last night .. lets judge him from 1.5 years ago when he wasn't good enough .. seriously I'm not knocking the lad.. he is a third choice left back who needs to go elsewhere to further his career and good luck to him
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