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Post by kes on Mar 20, 2015 14:00:01 GMT 1
Same reason we still pay at least half of Jon Stead`s at Bradford. So that'll be maybe 50% they'll be paying then. Hardly not very much. Gerrard training with kids. club be glad to get him out of door. Stead was wanted by lots of l1 clubs. We literally couldn`t give Gerrard away until Oldham have come in. They will have got a very good deal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 14:00:13 GMT 1
He makes it sound like someone had a word in Powell's ear and he decided he was a bag egg based on that, rather than make his own opinion. Then again, I suppose he's bound to say that. I do find it strange that there haven't been any concrete examples of his alleged bad influence. I can't remember the last time a transfer wasn't known about on here or other sites before it happened, or the Paterson/Clayton punch up, so seems weird that there hasn't been any proper rumours of why he's been frozen out. There's been summat though, Walter. Why would the club cut off its nose to spite its face? You don't need to look too hard, even in the Oldham interview to know he's a feisty, spiky character. Yeah, I'm sure there has, or an accumulation of lots of small things. Just find it a bit strange that nothing has come out about it. From the outside, it looks a bit like Pietersen's sacking by England.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 20, 2015 14:03:38 GMT 1
Its about his fitness and his attitude to training. I doubt the club care less about any alleged 'spikeyness' on social media or the like. The team lacks 'spikeyness' and a bit of an abrasive attitude if anything. Im sure AG has a big share of the blame and IMo the club do too for not managing him very well. The losers though have been the team and our goals against record.
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Post by pixie on Mar 20, 2015 14:24:12 GMT 1
He makes it sound like someone had a word in Powell's ear and he decided he was a bag egg based on that, rather than make his own opinion. Then again, I suppose he's bound to say that. I do find it strange that there haven't been any concrete examples of his alleged bad influence. I can't remember the last time a transfer wasn't known about on here or other sites before it happened, or the Paterson/Clayton punch up, so seems weird that there hasn't been any proper rumours of why he's been frozen out. There's been summat though, Walter. Why would the club cut off its nose to spite its face? You don't need to look too hard, even in the Oldham interview to know he's a feisty, spiky character. I'm sure Gerrard hasn't shot or stabbed anybody or even been involved in a Paterson/Clayton type punch-up or we'd know about it by now. Just about all that's left is shooting his mouth off. We were always told "sticks and stones" when I was younger. However in today's PC dominated world, speaking your mind is not the thing to do. We're all expected to behave like clones. Someone at the Club has got very thin skin and it's cost us this season without a shadow of a doubt. And what's wrong with having a feisty, spiky character by the way? Such people are quite often the salt of the earth. We can't all be doormats.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 20, 2015 14:27:38 GMT 1
Its about his fitness and his attitude to training. I doubt the club care less about any alleged 'spikeyness' on social media or the like. The team lacks 'spikeyness' and a bit of an abrasive attitude if anything. Im sure AG has a big share of the blame and IMo the club do too for not managing him very well. The losers though have been the team and our goals against record. I am sure we will get to hear both sides in the fullness of time, as I suggested earlier Gerrard will likely pull no punches on twitter when his contract is up and just as likely DH will respond with his/the club's version when asked in a supporters meeting. Gerrard has lost in terms of reputation too, and the level at which he now attempts (Lge 1 v C'ship) to secure gainful employment from the summer.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 20, 2015 14:53:29 GMT 1
Don't want to judge a book by its, er, tweets but he seems like a grade A bellend to me. Asking how the game is going on Twitter, not supporting his team mates, took his bat and ball home when he wasn't playing. Wonder how long it is before he falls out with Oldham?
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Post by wtd on Mar 20, 2015 15:01:15 GMT 1
Its about his fitness and his attitude to training. I doubt the club care less about any alleged 'spikeyness' on social media or the like. The team lacks 'spikeyness' and a bit of an abrasive attitude if anything. Im sure AG has a big share of the blame and IMo the club do too for not managing him very well. The losers though have been the team and our goals against record. You sound like you know more than you're letting on, Captain. Contrary to you saying fitness was an issue, he certainly didn't think so! I asked him months ago, 'when are you fit, Anthony, and when will we be seeing you?'. He spat back at me, 'I've been fit for ages, how long's a piece of string?!!!', and walked off. Fine. Some stupid fan just annoying him. But... a) he believed he was fit and b) he was definitely angry about the situation. Like you, I'd have liked him to have been playing for us, but there simply has to be more to it than we all know at this moment for the management not to be taking his ability into consideration.
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Post by softboy on Mar 20, 2015 15:01:37 GMT 1
You can tell he is a top player - he is going to Oldham. Couple of "quotes" from him in the Examiner. Not impressed.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 20, 2015 15:04:06 GMT 1
An awfull signing who was our best defender for 2 years??!! The only player who came close to Clayton as our POTS last season. I can think of plenty of players whove been big let downs and loads of them cost a sight more than AG, but he certainly isn't one of them. I thought he actually did much better than I thought he would. He was brought in as an experienced championship level centre back and thats what we got. Good, solid and very consistent. The best actual DEFENDER at the club. 'Awfull signing' ?? Absolute nonsense! Of course hes been a waste of a wage this season- he hasn't played. Thats been the clubs choice, not his, and Im not about to defend him in how hes seems to have let himself go fitness wise. We've played inferior players instead despite having one of the leakiest defences in the division. Is he a dickhead? I don't know him so can't say but I also don't care. Id rather have a nasty irritating bastard keeping the ball out of our net , than a really likeable bloke letting them in!!! I could not agree more with you Slapps but you're wasting your time trying to talk sense to the nauseating clique on here. You'll be accused of wanting to bum him when Chip Fat and his knob crew get wind of someone defending a player who is not managed correctly. Nice to see there are 1 or 2 sensible posters though. "Chip fat and his knob crew " were my first experimental cyberfolk combo when I first started out in showbusiness in 1963 .. Good spot e4 Ward ( one of best players in last thirty years)-------> Rotherham Gerrard. ( towns best defender )------>oldham It must perplex you guys when the big boys don't come knocking
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 20, 2015 15:09:19 GMT 1
Its about his fitness and his attitude to training. I doubt the club care less about any alleged 'spikeyness' on social media or the like. The team lacks 'spikeyness' and a bit of an abrasive attitude if anything. Im sure AG has a big share of the blame and IMo the club do too for not managing him very well. The losers though have been the team and our goals against record. You sound like you know more than you're letting on, Captain. Contrary to you saying fitness was an issue, he certainly didn't think so! I asked him months ago, 'when are you fit, Anthony, and when will we be seeing you?'. He spat back at me, 'I've been fit for ages, how long's a piece of string?!!!', and walked off. Fine. Some stupid fan just annoying him. But... a) he believed he was fit and b) he was definitely angry about the situation. Like you, I'd have liked him to have been playing for us, but there simply has to be more to it than we all know at this moment for the management not to be taking his ability into consideration. From the quotes he made on Twitter he was as fit as he could be and appeared to train most days including Saturdays. There has to be more to it that fitness.
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Post by buckers on Mar 20, 2015 15:19:48 GMT 1
An awfull signing who was our best defender for 2 years??!! The only player who came close to Clayton as our POTS last season. I can think of plenty of players whove been big let downs and loads of them cost a sight more than AG, but he certainly isn't one of them. I thought he actually did much better than I thought he would. He was brought in as an experienced championship level centre back and thats what we got. Good, solid and very consistent. The best actual DEFENDER at the club. 'Awfull signing' ?? Absolute nonsense! Of course hes been a waste of a wage this season- he hasn't played. Thats been the clubs choice, not his, and Im not about to defend him in how hes seems to have let himself go fitness wise. We've played inferior players instead despite having one of the leakiest defences in the division. Is he a dickhead? I don't know him so can't say but I also don't care. Id rather have a nasty irritating bastard keeping the ball out of our net , than a really likeable bloke letting them in!!! I could not agree more with you Slapps but you're wasting your time trying to talk sense to the nauseating clique on here. You'll be accused of wanting to bum him when Chip Fat and his knob crew get wind of someone defending a player who is not managed correctly. Nice to see there are 1 or 2 sensible posters though. You are not one of those one or two sensible posters Slapps is mind.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 20, 2015 15:27:31 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 15:32:39 GMT 1
I think there is a conspiracy against Gerrard at HTFC.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 20, 2015 15:37:18 GMT 1
Talk about things we like to dooo
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Post by E4b on Mar 20, 2015 16:54:17 GMT 1
I could not agree more with you Slapps but you're wasting your time trying to talk sense to the nauseating clique on here. You'll be accused of wanting to bum him when Chip Fat and his knob crew get wind of someone defending a player who is not managed correctly. Nice to see there are 1 or 2 sensible posters though. You are not one of those one or two sensible posters Slapps is mind. No, the other one I was on about was you, honest!!!!
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Post by royrace on Mar 20, 2015 17:16:51 GMT 1
Its about his fitness and his attitude to training. I doubt the club care less about any alleged 'spikeyness' on social media or the like. The team lacks 'spikeyness' and a bit of an abrasive attitude if anything. Im sure AG has a big share of the blame and IMo the club do too for not managing him very well. The losers though have been the team and our goals against record. Characters like Gerrard can erode team spirit, I dont think the club will give much a of a shit about what he puts on twitter but you can imagine the positive vibe (not) he spreads in training when he's not the main man (as he pointed out he liked to be when he joined). I suspect he was classed as a bad influence within the group and that's the reason he's rightly (if that is the case) been isolated. Maybe Powell made his mind up after being briefed by the football people at the club who knew Gerrard well, maybe he spoke to Robins and Grayson who knows? Im going to give Powell some credit and say it has been good management and benefited the group in general even if playing Gerrard may have yielded slightly better results on the pitch (very debatable based on what I saw of him over 2 seasons). You cant under estimate the importance of team spirit and the ability of the odd bad apple to spoil it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:43:17 GMT 1
Its about his fitness and his attitude to training. I doubt the club care less about any alleged 'spikeyness' on social media or the like. The team lacks 'spikeyness' and a bit of an abrasive attitude if anything. Im sure AG has a big share of the blame and IMo the club do too for not managing him very well. The losers though have been the team and our goals against record. Characters like Gerrard can erode team spirit, I dont think the club will give much a of a shit about what he puts on twitter but you can imagine the positive vibe (not) he spreads in training when he's not the main man (as he pointed out he liked to be when he joined). I suspect he was classed as a bad influence within the group and that's the reason he's rightly (if that is the case) been isolated. Maybe Powell made his mind up after being briefed by the football people at the club who knew Gerrard well, maybe he spoke to Robins and Grayson who knows? Im going to give Powell some credit and say it has been good management and benefited the group in general even if playing Gerrard may have yielded slightly better results on the pitch (very debatable based on what I saw of him over 2 seasons). You cant under estimate the importance of team spirit and the ability of the odd bad apple to spoil it. I have a feeling something went off pre season. Maybe the top man decided enough was enough. Who knows? Was he injured for that first game against Bournemouth.....Was he?
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 20, 2015 17:50:58 GMT 1
Well don't think its debatable at all myself- Im 100% confident the Gerrard of last season would have improved our defence this season had he played. But we'll never know.
The thing that goes against your bad egg theory is that the club were happy for him to be involved in the development squad all season. If he was the horrendous character and role model people ( who don't know him ) like to make out, then I doubt very much that they'd have allowed that. Surely they'd have kept him as far away from all our young , impressionable under 21s as possible??
Powell deserves great credit for getting a song out of Scannell after 2 years of the player giving us nothing much. But conversely he has to carry a share of the blame for having the exact opposite effect on gerrard after 2 years of him being our best defender. Looking at Wallace, Lynch and Hudson, IMO Gerrard 'should' have been the first defender on the team sheet. Somethings obviously gone wrong somewhere, and thats a real shame. If the club had replaced him with better, then none of that would matter. But the simple fact is , they didn't.
As for the player, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him move to the MLS when his contract with Town ends. Im sure he'll go kicking and screaming on social media as is his way. Hes clearly a combative and abrasive character . I wish we had a few more players with that kind of attitude myself. Meek and nice isn't what i want in every player and all ours seem a bit too much like that IMO.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 20, 2015 18:01:07 GMT 1
"Chip fat and his knob crew " were my first experimental cyberfolk combo when I first started out in showbusiness in 1963 .. Good spot e4 Ward ( one of best players in last thirty years)-------> Rotherham Gerrard. ( towns best defender )------>oldham It must perplex you guys when the big boys don't come knocking Grow up knob. Both players have been left out for long periods. What do you expect? AC Milan or Barcelona coming in for them? Both players will do well wherever they end up permanently and given a run of games could easily end up playing in better teams than us. youre very free with your insults. you do realise it takes away from your argument don't you? it was a piss poor argument anyway to be fair. Tell you what, its my birthday today. I'll come back on here on my birthday in 2017 to see how Ward is doing. Hes still young so if hes as good as you reckon he will have played lots of games and be playing for a bigger club. I'll remember and we can carry on the discussion... deal?
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Post by bro600 on Mar 20, 2015 18:17:57 GMT 1
Well don't think its debatable at all myself- Im 100% confident the Gerrard of last season would have improved our defence this season had he played. But we'll never know. The thing that goes against your bad egg theory is that the club were happy for him to be involved in the development squad all season. If he was the horrendous character and role model people ( who don't know him ) like to make out, then I doubt very much that they'd have allowed that. Surely they'd have kept him as far away from all our young , impressionable under 21s as possible?? Powell deserves great credit for getting a song out of Scannell after 2 years of the player giving us nothing much. But conversely he has to carry a share of the blame for having the exact opposite effect on gerrard after 2 years of him being our best defender. Looking at Wallace, Lynch and Hudson, IMO Gerrard 'should' have been the first defender on the team sheet. Somethings obviously gone wrong somewhere, and thats a real shame. If the club had replaced him with better, then none of that would matter. But the simple fact is , they didn't. As for the player, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him move to the MLS when his contract with Town ends. Im sure he'll go kicking and screaming on social media as is his way. Hes clearly a combative and abrasive character . I wish we had a few more players with that kind of attitude myself. Meek and nice isn't what i want in every player and all ours seem a bit too much like that IMO. He was clearly a Dick Captain! He's not a full shilling and he can't control his personal emotions. It also happened at Cardiff and he couldn't resist a dig at them either. www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-cardiff-city-star-anthony-2495197
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Post by E4b on Mar 20, 2015 18:22:41 GMT 1
Grow up knob. Both players have been left out for long periods. What do you expect? AC Milan or Barcelona coming in for them? Both players will do well wherever they end up permanently and given a run of games could easily end up playing in better teams than us. youre very free with your insults. you do realise it takes away from your argument don't you? it was a piss poor argument anyway to be fair. Tell you what, its my birthday today. I'll come back on here on my birthday in 2017 to see how Ward is doing. Hes still young so if hes as good as you reckon he will have played lots of games and be playing for a bigger club. I'll remember and we can carry on the discussion... deal? Sounds good to me! Enjoy your birthday today because you won't enjoy it in 2 years time when you come back on here with egg all over your face!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 18:37:34 GMT 1
Good riddance
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 20, 2015 19:30:10 GMT 1
Happy birthday Chipps
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Post by ritchie on Mar 20, 2015 19:33:14 GMT 1
Its about his fitness and his attitude to training. I doubt the club care less about any alleged 'spikeyness' on social media or the like. The team lacks 'spikeyness' and a bit of an abrasive attitude if anything. Im sure AG has a big share of the blame and IMo the club do too for not managing him very well. The losers though have been the team and our goals against record. Oh they do care...but like you say it's the fitness/attitude mainly. Good riddance (and it's not oten i say that about a town player)
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Post by Mr Breitside on Mar 21, 2015 19:18:51 GMT 1
Clean sheet and an away win for oldham.
I don't give a monkeys if he is a prick or a poor trainer.. Fact is he is better than Wallace, Hudson and Edgar at centre half.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 21, 2015 19:21:25 GMT 1
Clean sheet and an away win for oldham. I don't give a monkeys if he is a prick or a poor trainer.. Fact is he is better than Wallace, Hudson and Edgar at centre half. Anybody's better than Edgar alan Pope, God he's absolute crud.
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Post by patfield on Mar 21, 2015 20:55:29 GMT 1
Gerrard without doubt is a grade a bell end from a coming together I nearly had with him. As he had his children with him I bit my tongue. This aside I agree with Slapps , he would have been an asset to a very inconsistent defence we have endured this season. For me this has been the biggest disappointment this season. We just haven't kept enough clean sheets and this is extremely concerning with Powells playing past.
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Post by donny on Mar 22, 2015 11:20:44 GMT 1
Saw him come on against Reading. Looked overweight, huge arse and turned slower than milk! One less wage.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Mar 22, 2015 11:23:49 GMT 1
Clean sheet and an away win for oldham. I don't give a monkeys if he is a prick or a poor trainer.. Fact is he is better than Wallace, Hudson and Edgar at centre half. They did play against a team destined to be in league 2 next season.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 22, 2015 11:39:29 GMT 1
Wallace would look good in a league one defence! For me Gerrard had to go wether he's good enough ability wise!
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