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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 15:55:13 GMT 1
Tories!!!!.Its all really very simple!.this government has abandoned the most vulnerable citizens of our society more than at any time in the last hundred years!.....Despicable capitalist self centered bastards! the lot of em! Really how have they been abandoned? No Sky TV? Had to cut down on fags and booze? Forced to go out and get a job? A hundred years ago you didn't get paid to sit on your arse, you worked for your food and shelter. I just don't see it. The long term career doley's who live in the DSS rental house in our street, don't seem that badly off to me. A single person on JSA may struggle to make ends meet, but throw in a couple of kids and things start looking a lot rosier on benefits. I don't think real poverty actually exists in this country. The boom in food banks says more about our society wanting a freebie than anything else.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 29, 2015 16:22:22 GMT 1
Tories!!!!.Its all really very simple!.this government has abandoned the most vulnerable citizens of our society more than at any time in the last hundred years!.....Despicable capitalist self centered bastards! the lot of em! Really how have they been abandoned? No Sky TV? Had to cut down on fags and booze? Forced to go out and get a job? A hundred years ago you didn't get paid to sit on your arse, you worked for your food and shelter. I just don't see it. The long term career doley's who live in the DSS rental house in our street, don't seem that badly off to me. A single person on JSA may struggle to make ends meet, but throw in a couple of kids and things start looking a lot rosier on benefits. I don't think real poverty actually exists in this country. The boom in food banks says more about our society wanting a freebie than anything else. Come on Marcus you're having a real shocker on this thread, your last sentence being a good point in example.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Mar 29, 2015 16:25:34 GMT 1
I never expected you to, to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 16:34:51 GMT 1
Really how have they been abandoned? No Sky TV? Had to cut down on fags and booze? Forced to go out and get a job? A hundred years ago you didn't get paid to sit on your arse, you worked for your food and shelter. I just don't see it. The long term career doley's who live in the DSS rental house in our street, don't seem that badly off to me. A single person on JSA may struggle to make ends meet, but throw in a couple of kids and things start looking a lot rosier on benefits. I don't think real poverty actually exists in this country. The boom in food banks says more about our society wanting a freebie than anything else. Come on Marcus you're having a real shocker on this thread, your last sentence being a good point in example. Go on, so all of these people who are using food banks have cut back on all non essentials first then? Fags, booze, satellite TV, broadband, mobile phones.... Food is cheap in this country, a single person can eat healthily on £20 worth of food a week, less if needed. Fresh vegetables are way cheaper than ready meals. How much is the lowest amount you get on benefits again per week? Poverty in this country is measured way differently to third world countries.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 29, 2015 17:20:35 GMT 1
Come on Marcus you're having a real shocker on this thread, your last sentence being a good point in example. Go on, so all of these people who are using food banks have cut back on all non essentials first then? Fags, booze, satellite TV, broadband, mobile phones.... Food is cheap in this country, a single person can eat healthily on £20 worth of food a week, less if needed. Fresh vegetables are way cheaper than ready meals. How much is the lowest amount you get on benefits again per week? Poverty in this country is measured way differently to third world countries. To be honest Marcus I don't disagree with eating healthy for 20 quid but more often than not its families using food banks as opposed to single people. Although fresh fruit and veg isn't always as cheap as you make out either but if you were single, out of work, easily live off 20 quid a week with a bit of creativity, although if you wanted a bit of meat with your veg, you'd be struggling to cover it with 20 quid a week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 19:13:39 GMT 1
Marcus - you're starting to come across as someone with more leanings to the far right with some of your most recent posts. I expect your aim (as per most Tory bigots) is to try and kill off this thread with your blinkered views, hope we get bored and stay indoors on the 7th May...
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 29, 2015 19:41:01 GMT 1
cant work out why working people not wanting to subsidise the lazy and feckless becomes a 'right wing' view? we are heading towards a society where more take than put in, its not sustainable..it has to stop.. right wing/left wing or centre forward, if your main aim isn't to stop waste you are taking us all(other than the very rich) into shit street.. tories might give more to the wealthiest but labour will sting us in the middle and give it to the lazy and feckless simply because they are the very rich and be honest nobody ever gets the very rich to pay what they probably should..
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Post by 1876tom on Mar 29, 2015 20:39:21 GMT 1
Marcusd. Spot on.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 29, 2015 21:02:17 GMT 1
cant work out why working people not wanting to subsidise the lazy and feckless becomes a 'right wing' view? we are heading towards a society where more take than put in, its not sustainable..it has to stop.. right wing/left wing or centre forward, if your main aim isn't to stop waste you are taking us all(other than the very rich) into shit street.. tories might give more to the wealthiest but labour will sting us in the middle and give it to the lazy and feckless simply because they are the very rich and be honest nobody ever gets the very rich to pay what they probably should.. No one is saying that we want to subsidise folk to sit on their arses but marcus' patronising right wing Tory rhetoric is bollocks to be honest. He actually proposes no tangible ideas as to how to get people back to work, is he working on a big job creation scheme where the feckless poor will all be able to be gainfully employed? And unless boozing, smoking and having Sky TV actually become illegal there is bugger all anyone can do about anyone who doesn't work doing or having any of the above whether we think its right or not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 21:11:40 GMT 1
cant work out why working people not wanting to subsidise the lazy and feckless becomes a 'right wing' view? we are heading towards a society where more take than put in, its not sustainable..it has to stop.. right wing/left wing or centre forward, if your main aim isn't to stop waste you are taking us all(other than the very rich) into shit street.. tories might give more to the wealthiest but labour will sting us in the middle and give it to the lazy and feckless simply because they are the very rich and be honest nobody ever gets the very rich to pay what they probably should.. Because calling people on benefits lazy and feckless is bigoted. We now live in a world of benefits shaming with nonsensical programmes on channels 4&5. In reality there's always a small percentage who will take advantage of the system and I'd be more concerned with those at the top not paying their taxes. Take the HMRC, letting Vodafone off a potential £8billion despite those concerned saying it's urban myth. That money goes a lot further than a few million here or there from those on benefits.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 29, 2015 21:16:53 GMT 1
cant work out why working people not wanting to subsidise the lazy and feckless becomes a 'right wing' view? we are heading towards a society where more take than put in, its not sustainable..it has to stop.. right wing/left wing or centre forward, if your main aim isn't to stop waste you are taking us all(other than the very rich) into shit street.. tories might give more to the wealthiest but labour will sting us in the middle and give it to the lazy and feckless simply because they are the very rich and be honest nobody ever gets the very rich to pay what they probably should.. Because calling people on benefits lazy and feckless is bigoted. We now live in a world of benefits shaming with nonsensical programmes on channels 4&5. In reality there's always a small percentage who will take advantage of the system and I'd be more concerned with those at the top not paying their taxes. Take the HMRC, letting Vodafone off a potential £8billion despite those concerned saying it's urban myth. That money goes a lot further than a few million here or there from those on benefits. What you on about mate? Don't you know it's people on benefits that are sending the country down the swanny not multi million pound corporations who don't pay taxes!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 21:33:10 GMT 1
Because calling people on benefits lazy and feckless is bigoted. We now live in a world of benefits shaming with nonsensical programmes on channels 4&5. In reality there's always a small percentage who will take advantage of the system and I'd be more concerned with those at the top not paying their taxes. Take the HMRC, letting Vodafone off a potential £8billion despite those concerned saying it's urban myth. That money goes a lot further than a few million here or there from those on benefits. What you on about mate? Don't you know it's people on benefits that are sending the country down the swanny not multi million pound corporations who don't pay taxes!! I know lets knight Gary Barlow and forget his accountant saved him a few million.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 21:50:48 GMT 1
Marcus - you're starting to come across as someone with more leanings to the far right with some of your most recent posts. I expect your aim (as per most Tory bigots) is to try and kill off this thread with your blinkered views, hope we get bored and stay indoors on the 7th May... In the same way as you come across as far left...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 21:57:39 GMT 1
cant work out why working people not wanting to subsidise the lazy and feckless becomes a 'right wing' view? we are heading towards a society where more take than put in, its not sustainable..it has to stop.. right wing/left wing or centre forward, if your main aim isn't to stop waste you are taking us all(other than the very rich) into shit street.. tories might give more to the wealthiest but labour will sting us in the middle and give it to the lazy and feckless simply because they are the very rich and be honest nobody ever gets the very rich to pay what they probably should.. No one is saying that we want to subsidise folk to sit on their arses but marcus' patronising right wing Tory rhetoric is bollocks to be honest. He actually proposes no tangible ideas as to how to get people back to work, is he working on a big job creation scheme where the feckless poor will all be able to be gainfully employed? And unless boozing, smoking and having Sky TV actually become illegal there is bugger all anyone can do about anyone who doesn't work doing or having any of the above whether we think its right or not. What a load of cobblers. There is work out there if you get off your arse and make yourself employable. The people who use the excuse of no work out there, are using it as an excuse for not working. The best idea would be for benefits to be on a card which can only be spent on food and essential utilities, no booze, fags, lottery , mobiles, drugs, Sky TV and the rest. Food banks would become a lot less "needed" when people actually have to prioritise benefits money to food and living essentials over luxury goods.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 29, 2015 22:15:28 GMT 1
No one is saying that we want to subsidise folk to sit on their arses but marcus' patronising right wing Tory rhetoric is bollocks to be honest. He actually proposes no tangible ideas as to how to get people back to work, is he working on a big job creation scheme where the feckless poor will all be able to be gainfully employed? And unless boozing, smoking and having Sky TV actually become illegal there is bugger all anyone can do about anyone who doesn't work doing or having any of the above whether we think its right or not. What a load of cobblers. There is work out there if you get off your arse and make yourself employable. The people who use the excuse of no work out there, are using it as an excuse for not working. The best idea would be for benefits to be on a card which can only be spent on food and essential utilities, no booze, fags, lottery , mobiles, drugs, Sky TV and the rest. Food banks would become a lot less "needed" when people actually have to prioritise benefits money to food and living essentials over luxury goods. The people you crusade against will have few skills and will only be looking at low paid work, they aren't looking to fill high skilled vacancies, for every minimum wage type job there will be hundreds of applicants, so someone is going to miss out. If there is jobs for everyone then fair doo's but invariably there isn't enough jobs to go round. For what its worth I don't disagree with you about looking for work but you are far too hardline for my liking, what you propose involves state control in a democratic society, flies in the face of a democracy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 22:40:13 GMT 1
All about the lazy and the feckless eh Marcus...
Meanwhile the real criminals in this country carry on without fear, paying bonuses, sticking two fingers up at the wider society they have done a pretty decent job of destroying...
Public sector cutbacks are as a result of those people right royally screwing it up, not the less fortunate parts of society being scroungers. Some people are lazy & feckless but in fairness that mentality has been always around, now exacerbated by immigration and the expansion of the EU.
Next time you have a moan because your bins are only being emptied once a month and the roads remain full of potholes, whilst your high st bank is welcoming you with a plush new interior and new 'products' & 'sales' then remember that you always have an opportunity to change this. Equally, when the price of stamps continues to rise and the mail deliveries to more rural areas drops to twice a week, remember it was good old Dave & George that set this in motion...
For clarity, I don't work in the public sector (never have), had a UB40 card for a few weeks back in the mid 80's, but the reason I'll vote Labour is not because I'm blinkered. It's because at some point (hopefully) in my life I'll be more reliant on public services and at the point I (or a family member) need them most I don't want to be selling a kidney to pay for it...
Unfortunately for some they're in that position today, hopefully you're not one of them...
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 30, 2015 0:05:45 GMT 1
If there are no low skilled jobs in Huddersfield why have literally thousands of migrants moved to the Town in the last decade and successfully found unskilled employment?
It ridiculous to make it sound like no jobs exist when clearly they do otherwise people wouldn't be moving here. I don't need stats as I can see the migration myself just by living in Huddersfield and going to shops, restaurants etc
IMO we have a group of scroungers (generations of them in cases) and to underplay it is naive. I feel sorry for the few incorrectly tarnished a scrounger but there seems a wider problem with the benefit system when you hear of people literally driving their own cars to food banks ... that's simply taking the proverbial
As for corporations dodging tax, did Labour clamp down on them in their 13 years in Government? I think everyone agrees it's not fair but maybe it's not that straightforward to enforce. The present Government are to be fair trying, eg the Point of Comsumption Tax on Gambling firms. That said hopefully the next government - whoever that is - has the answer. Although if people feel that strongly on international firms avoiding tax they don't have to use Google etc because that would be the quickest way to get these firms to review their policy
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 30, 2015 1:35:06 GMT 1
sorry, you just insult everyone from the 'poorer' backgrounds who have made a success of their lives. success means anything from working hard all their lives in a job or a career right up to those who have made their fortunes..
btw, voting for anyone to strip the richest of their riches is a wasted vote.. wont happen, because they run the country not the politicians..labour has no intention of upsetting them, all bark no bite..
if anyone ever has the bollox to really have a go, they will just move their money from this country in total.. we can all then try to live on benefits..
do I prefer vodaphone avoiding millions in taxes but paying millions and employing thousands or do I prefer a government giving my hard earned to feckless and lazy people???
if you provided jobs for everyone tomorrow paying them the going rate, hundreds of thousands now could not be arsed to even go and have a look..
utopia does not exist and as long as these people(not all but a very good number now) get their arse wiped from cradle to grave they will continue to be feckless and lazy..
btw, there isn't a country in the world where big business pays the full amount or even near it, why would we be different???
we don't have a political party that really, truly wants to go after them, wont happen..
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Post by kennyk2 on Mar 30, 2015 7:28:04 GMT 1
cant work out why working people not wanting to subsidise the lazy and feckless becomes a 'right wing' view? we are heading towards a society where more take than put in, its not sustainable..it has to stop.. right wing/left wing or centre forward, if your main aim isn't to stop waste you are taking us all(other than the very rich) into shit street.. tories might give more to the wealthiest but labour will sting us in the middle and give it to the lazy and feckless simply because they are the very rich and be honest nobody ever gets the very rich to pay what they probably should.. Because calling people on benefits lazy and feckless is bigoted. We now live in a world of benefits shaming with nonsensical programmes on channels 4&5. In reality there's always a small percentage who will take advantage of the system and I'd be more concerned with those at the top not paying their taxes. Take the HMRC, letting Vodafone off a potential £8billion despite those concerned saying it's urban myth. That money goes a lot further than a few million here or there from those on benefits. I'm not particularly interested in the debate to be honest as you can probably glean from my lack of posting on the subject, but what really makes me disappointed is the manipulation and portrayal of statistics/data in a biased manner. I never capitalise... until now, but here goes - WHO ON EARTH DESIGNED AND PUBLISHED THAT BUBBLE CHART? Perhaps a better question might be who designed and published the Pi (!) chart? Have I got this wrong - LOOK AT IT? Work out the areas of the circles and then compare the ratios to the 120, 30, 16, 1.4, 1.2 ..... billion figures. Whoever, designed the chart needs to be drummed out of their class (6/7 year olds presumably). Whoever displays that is just as culpable! This is just a blatant use of incorrect graphics in order to try and win an argument: the deliberate misuse of information.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 30, 2015 8:48:19 GMT 1
Tories!!!!.Its all really very simple!.this government has abandoned the most vulnerable citizens of our society more than at any time in the last hundred years!.....Despicable capitalist self centered bastards! the lot of em! Always makes me laugh when someone hates capitalism. Your whole quality of life is dependant on it. You think of houses, holidays, cars, lifestyle, tvs and tech etc etc and people have never had it so good and thats especially true of people at the lower end of the income scale. Its capitalism that provides that for them. Jealousy because some people are more successful than them is the price inverted snobs have to pay. Socialism is a completely flawed concept as history shows time and again all over the world. You remove the incentive to be successful, then human nature means people stop being bothered to be successful, or move somewhere else and everyone's levels fall. Anyone who thinks the most vulnerable in society would be better off under long term socialism is living in cloud cuckoo land IMO.
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Post by DeepSpace on Mar 30, 2015 9:25:29 GMT 1
Tories!!!!.Its all really very simple!.this government has abandoned the most vulnerable citizens of our society more than at any time in the last hundred years!.....Despicable capitalist self centered bastards! the lot of em! Always makes me laugh when someone hates capitalism. Your whole quality of life is dependant on it. You think of houses, holidays, cars, lifestyle, tvs and tech etc etc and people have never had it so good and thats especially true of people at the lower end of the income scale. Its capitalism that provides that for them. Jealousy because some people are more successful than them is the price inverted snobs have to pay. Socialism is a completely flawed concept as history shows time and again all over the world. You remove the incentive to be successful, then human nature means people stop being bothered to be successful, or move somewhere else and everyone's levels fall. Anyone who thinks the most vulnerable in society would be better off under long term socialism is living in cloud cuckoo land IMO. Socialism is no more or less a discredited system than Capitalism. Neither have ever truly been tried for the reason that no economy can run on purely ideological principles. We don't live in a Capitalist system. Our economy is a hybrid of the political ideologies that have dominated at various times in our history. Some of our economy runs broadly speaking along Socialist lines (the NHS is the obvious example in spite of the ongoing privatisation of it; a state-controlled system planned centrally & delivered largely outside a standard Capitalist model of supply/demand equilibrium). Other parts of the economy totally defy Capitalist free market principles by allowing the market to be dominated and distorted by conglomerates, price fixing, cartels, etc., etc. Capitalism works by extricating the value of an individuals labour and transferring it to the owner of the means of production, distribution or exchange, who in return pays a wage that has to be less than the value of the labour. That system does what it does, but is inherently unfair. What most modern pseudo-Capitalist economies have realised over most of the last century is that if you then extricate some of that surplus value & reinvest it in "society", you manage the inequalities & to a large degree keep enough people sufficiently happy to avoid civil unrest. The problem starts when you get ideologically driven politicians who fail to recognise that particular lesson from history.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 30, 2015 9:45:50 GMT 1
Socialism is MASSIVELY more discredited than capitalism! I agree that we live in a kind of hybrid, but for all intents and purposes it is a capitalist society by most peoples definitions of it. And it works. Socialism or in its extreme, communism, has proven time and again to fail, lowering everyones standard of living, and I would imagine most people living under long term socialism would look at the poorest people living under our capitalism and think they had an outstanding standard of living.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 10:06:48 GMT 1
Go on, so all of these people who are using food banks have cut back on all non essentials first then? Fags, booze, satellite TV, broadband, mobile phones.... Food is cheap in this country, a single person can eat healthily on £20 worth of food a week, less if needed. Fresh vegetables are way cheaper than ready meals. How much is the lowest amount you get on benefits again per week? Poverty in this country is measured way differently to third world countries. To be honest Marcus I don't disagree with eating healthy for 20 quid but more often than not its families using food banks as opposed to single people. Although fresh fruit and veg isn't always as cheap as you make out either but if you were single, out of work, easily live off 20 quid a week with a bit of creativity, although if you wanted a bit of meat with your veg, you'd be struggling to cover it with 20 quid a week. Lets use Aldi as an example.... Parsips 39p (600g), carrots 49p (1.2KG), potatoes 49p (2.5KG), leeks 29p (500g) - that's £1.70 for enough veg to feed someone for a week. As for meat - Beef mince £2.59 (750g - enough to feed a family of 4)Pork loin steaks 4 for £2.39, medium whole chicken £3.59. Chuck in £1.00 for oil and gravy granules and you can make a healthy meal for under £1.50 a head if you use fresh ingredients, rather than ready meals.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 30, 2015 11:54:50 GMT 1
To be honest Marcus I don't disagree with eating healthy for 20 quid but more often than not its families using food banks as opposed to single people. Although fresh fruit and veg isn't always as cheap as you make out either but if you were single, out of work, easily live off 20 quid a week with a bit of creativity, although if you wanted a bit of meat with your veg, you'd be struggling to cover it with 20 quid a week. Lets use Aldi as an example.... Parsips 39p (600g), carrots 49p (1.2KG), potatoes 49p (2.5KG), leeks 29p (500g) - that's £1.70 for enough veg to feed someone for a week. As for meat - Beef mince £2.59 (750g - enough to feed a family of 4)Pork loin steaks 4 for £2.39, medium whole chicken £3.59. Chuck in £1.00 for oil and gravy granules and you can make a healthy meal for under £1.50 a head if you use fresh ingredients, rather than ready meals. Well how come my wife keeps spending all that brass when she goes shopping? She keeps telling me things cost a bloody fortune!!!
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 30, 2015 12:39:17 GMT 1
Lets use Aldi as an example.... Parsips 39p (600g), carrots 49p (1.2KG), potatoes 49p (2.5KG), leeks 29p (500g) - that's £1.70 for enough veg to feed someone for a week. As for meat - Beef mince £2.59 (750g - enough to feed a family of 4)Pork loin steaks 4 for £2.39, medium whole chicken £3.59. Chuck in £1.00 for oil and gravy granules and you can make a healthy meal for under £1.50 a head if you use fresh ingredients, rather than ready meals. Well how come my wife keeps spending all that brass when she goes shopping? She keeps telling me things cost a bloody fortune!!! It appears Marcus can provide the food but what does he eat it on, included in the weekly money over the years, have to pay for their cutlery and crockery and cooking utensils and their washing up, buy and launder their clothes and shoes, their personal washing and grooming. AND This is before they have to pay their energy suppliers for cooking and preserving their food and heating their homes, in addition to their bus and train fares for job interviews, etc. Not all people on benefits 'waste' their money on fags, booze and sky. I think he'd find it very tough to survive for a number of weeks on JSA only - food is not the only thing people spend money on every week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 12:58:04 GMT 1
cant work out why working people not wanting to subsidise the lazy and feckless becomes a 'right wing' view? we are heading towards a society where more take than put in, its not sustainable..it has to stop.. right wing/left wing or centre forward, if your main aim isn't to stop waste you are taking us all(other than the very rich) into shit street.. tories might give more to the wealthiest but labour will sting us in the middle and give it to the lazy and feckless simply because they are the very rich and be honest nobody ever gets the very rich to pay what they probably should.. Because calling people on benefits lazy and feckless is bigoted. We now live in a world of benefits shaming with nonsensical programmes on channels 4&5. In reality there's always a small percentage who will take advantage of the system and I'd be more concerned with those at the top not paying their taxes. Take the HMRC, letting Vodafone off a potential £8billion despite those concerned saying it's urban myth. That money goes a lot further than a few million here or there from those on benefits. I love this, it's hilarious! How do you "estimate" an accurate figure on benefits fraud? By it's very nature it's undiscovered, much like the "estimated" illegal immigrant guesswork. Mind you, it keeps the graphics guy at the Guardian in a job.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 13:01:34 GMT 1
Lets use Aldi as an example.... Parsips 39p (600g), carrots 49p (1.2KG), potatoes 49p (2.5KG), leeks 29p (500g) - that's £1.70 for enough veg to feed someone for a week. As for meat - Beef mince £2.59 (750g - enough to feed a family of 4)Pork loin steaks 4 for £2.39, medium whole chicken £3.59. Chuck in £1.00 for oil and gravy granules and you can make a healthy meal for under £1.50 a head if you use fresh ingredients, rather than ready meals. Well how come my wife keeps spending all that brass when she goes shopping? She keeps telling me things cost a bloody fortune!!! Processed food maybe? Wrong supermarket? The point is that at least some of these people pleading poverty and getting hand outs from food banks, could afford to eat healthily even on the lowest of benefits, if they prioritised their hand out spending properly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 13:12:22 GMT 1
Well how come my wife keeps spending all that brass when she goes shopping? She keeps telling me things cost a bloody fortune!!! It appears Marcus can provide what does he eat on, included in the weekly money over the years, have to pay for their cutlery and crockery and cooking utensils and their washing up, buy and launder their clothes and shoes, their personal washing and grooming. AND This is before they have to pay their energy suppliers for cooking and preserving their food and heating their homes, in addition to their bus and train fares for job interviews, etc. Not all people on benefits 'waste' their money on fags, booze and sky. I think he'd find it very tough to survive for a number of weeks on JSA only - food is not the only thing people spend money on every week. So how do the young couple across the road from me, with 2 kids, who have never worked a day in their life, run a car and live in an £800 a month house in a nice area? They have Sky TV on a large flat screen, smoke, drink and are the only house in the cul-de-sac who don't seem worried about utility bills. At night, every other house is in the dark, this one has lights on 24 hours a day. Food is not a major expense in the UK. If anyone is pleading poverty enough on benefits, that they need a food bank, they are not prioritising things properly. Why do food banks need a car park for instance? We have a generation of takers who want everything for free and are not willing to give back to society. Not everyone on benefits, but a sizeable section of long termers think this way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 13:16:04 GMT 1
It appears Marcus can provide what does he eat on, included in the weekly money over the years, have to pay for their cutlery and crockery and cooking utensils and their washing up, buy and launder their clothes and shoes, their personal washing and grooming. AND This is before they have to pay their energy suppliers for cooking and preserving their food and heating their homes, in addition to their bus and train fares for job interviews, etc. Not all people on benefits 'waste' their money on fags, booze and sky. I think he'd find it very tough to survive for a number of weeks on JSA only - food is not the only thing people spend money on every week. So how do the young couple across the road from me, with 2 kids, who have never worked a day in their life, run a car and live in an £800 a month house in a nice area? They have Sky TV on a large flat screen, smoke, drink and are the only house in the cul-de-sac who don't seem worried about utility bills. At night, every other house is in the dark, this one has lights on 24 hours a day. Food is not a major expense in the UK. If anyone is pleading poverty enough on benefits, that they need a food bank, they are not prioritising things properly. Why do food banks need a car park for instance? We have a generation of takers who want everything for free and are not willing to give back to society. Not everyone on benefits, but a sizeable section of long termers think this way.Bearing in mind you thought the estimates on the Guardian graphic were "hilarious", I'd be interested to hear how you know about the thoughts of this group.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 13:27:09 GMT 1
So how do the young couple across the road from me, with 2 kids, who have never worked a day in their life, run a car and live in an £800 a month house in a nice area? They have Sky TV on a large flat screen, smoke, drink and are the only house in the cul-de-sac who don't seem worried about utility bills. At night, every other house is in the dark, this one has lights on 24 hours a day. Food is not a major expense in the UK. If anyone is pleading poverty enough on benefits, that they need a food bank, they are not prioritising things properly. Why do food banks need a car park for instance? We have a generation of takers who want everything for free and are not willing to give back to society. Not everyone on benefits, but a sizeable section of long termers think this way.Bearing in mind you thought the estimates on the Guardian graphic were "hilarious", I'd be interested to hear how you know about the thoughts of this group. Because, unless you live in a very high class area, chances are you'll know several families like this.
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